6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) (01/16/90)
From article <12930@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>, by bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig):
> (This might be a good opportunity to upgrade to 6.0.4!).
There's no upgrade path to System 6.0.4. Some Apple employee posted a note,
or I read it in MacWeek, or something, but there are some bugs in 6.0.4
for machines other than the IIci and the Portable. Consequently, 6.0.4
is sort of an island on those machines. Wait for 7.0.
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Hire this kid | Mac, DOS, C, Pascal, asm, excellent communication skillslevin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) (01/16/90)
In article <3592@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) writes: |There's no upgrade path to System 6.0.4. Some Apple employee posted a note, |or I read it in MacWeek, or something, but there are some bugs in 6.0.4 |for machines other than the IIci and the Portable. Consequently, 6.0.4 |is sort of an island on those machines. Wait for 7.0. I just tried to start up Hypercard 1.2.5 (from the latest Excellent CD) and was told that it needed 6.0.4 to run. So does this mean that HC1.2.5 is also not recommended for the other machines? What's the story? /JBL = Nets: levin@bbn.com | "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's or {...}!bbn!levin | bureau that morning. Wide-eyed and distraught, she POTS: (617)873-3463 | stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."
chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (01/16/90)
levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes: >|There's no upgrade path to System 6.0.4. Some Apple employee posted a note, >|or I read it in MacWeek, or something, but there are some bugs in 6.0.4 >|for machines other than the IIci and the Portable. Consequently, 6.0.4 >|is sort of an island on those machines. Wait for 7.0. There are? I think you're misreading it. There are bug-fixes in 6.0.4 that are applicable to all machines, not bugs. I run 6.0.4 on all my machines, including an SE/Radius, a IIx, a MacII at home and a souped up 512Ke with 2Meg and Dove SCSI. Works fine on everything. >I just tried to start up Hypercard 1.2.5 (from the latest Excellent >CD) and was told that it needed 6.0.4 to run. So does this mean that >HC1.2.5 is also not recommended for the other machines? What's the story? HC 1.2.5 requires 6.0.4 because of changes in the sound manager. I know of no situation where 6.0.4 is contraindicated on any machine where 6.0.x works. I think someone's spreading a misintepretation. 6.0.4 is only required for the IIci and Portable, but it works on any machine that 6.0.x works. -- Chuq Von Rospach <+> chuq@apple.com <+> [This is myself speaking] Oh, saith you that this should be some pithy saying, but frankly, I can't think of anything to say. -- William Shakespeare
danno@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Danno) (01/17/90)
In article <37842@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes: >levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes: > >>|There's no upgrade path to System 6.0.4. Some Apple employee posted a note, >>|or I read it in MacWeek, or something, but there are some bugs in 6.0.4 >>|for machines other than the IIci and the Portable. Consequently, 6.0.4 >>|is sort of an island on those machines. Wait for 7.0. > >There are? I think you're misreading it. There are bug-fixes in 6.0.4 that >are applicable to all machines, not bugs. I run 6.0.4 on all my machines, >including an SE/Radius, a IIx, a MacII at home and a souped up 512Ke with >2Meg and Dove SCSI. Works fine on everything. > I'll add my own 6.0.4 observation: It fixes some of the problems that BackDrop used to have on my SE/30 under 6.0.3. Now, moving icons on the desktop will still mess up the picture, but moving/opening windows has no negative effect; in fact, opening a full-screen window will fix all the errors caused by moving icons around. Wow, looks like maybe that incompatibility was Apple's problem after all... (just a little good-natured ribbing, Chuq!=-). Ciao, Danno -- ________ If the crush of your emotions leaves ||| Daniel McKinnon ________ \ <O \ you lying in the dust, then take it ||tragedy@dartmouth.edu / <- O> / | } ( | all right out on me and leave me in ||| ----<---<--@ | ) { | / <O -> / the rain to rust. -Bob Mould, "Sinners and Their Repentences"\ O> \
mithomas@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Michael Thomas Niehaus) (01/17/90)
System 6.0.4 also has another interesting feature in it: When you eject
a disk, it automatically moves the 800K disk drive's heads to track 79.
This is supposed to further improve the reliability of the 800K drives.
(There is also an INIT on AppleLink that will do this for anyone not
using 6.0.4.)
-Michael
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Ball State University AppleLink: ST0374 (from UUCP: st0374@applelink.apple.com)wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) (01/17/90)
In article <50939@bbn.COM> levin@BBN.COM (Joel B Levin) writes: >In article <3592@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) writes: >|There's no upgrade path to System 6.0.4. Some Apple employee posted a note, >|or I read it in MacWeek, or something, but there are some bugs in 6.0.4 >|for machines other than the IIci and the Portable. Consequently, 6.0.4 >|is sort of an island on those machines. Wait for 7.0. > >I just tried to start up Hypercard 1.2.5 (from the latest Excellent >CD) and was told that it needed 6.0.4 to run. So does this mean that >HC1.2.5 is also not recommended for the other machines? What's the story? Well, I've been using 6.0.4 on my SE with no problems whatsoever. However, your mention of having trouble using newer versions of Hypercard brings up an odd situation. For the new TechNote and Q&A stacks you need at least version 1.2.2 of Hypercard. I've looked high and low for this version (since I only have 1.2.1 and cannot even browse these stacks) and have been unable to find it. Now I come to find that even if I did, I would have problems using it if I didn't have 6.0.4 and it is suggested by those in the know that we (non ci and Portable owners) don't use 6.0.4??? What, exactly, is the situation here.... total chaos before 7.0 comes out to introduce more bugs?? Bill Taroli WWTAROLI@RODAN.acs.syr.edu
mjkobb@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Michael J Kobb) (01/18/90)
Hi, The summary pretty much says it. Can you upgrade HyperCard the same way you do your system disks: take in the old ones to a dealer and copy the new version on? Thanks, --Mike
perez@andromeda.rutgers.edu.rutgers.edu (Willie Perez) (01/18/90)
I believe the only problem with using Hypercard 1.2.2 and system 6.0.4 (as I still do) is when using stacks that are larger than 2 meg. I think there's also some problem with the souds. It's not going to ruin anything though. Lord knows how lazy I've been about getting HC 1.2.5 from the dealer: I haven't as of yet and I've been running 6.0.4 since it debuted. Willi
russ@key.COM (Russell Donnan) (01/18/90)
In article <1771@rodan.acs.syr.edu> wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) writes: {In article <50939@bbn.COM> levin@BBN.COM (Joel B Levin) writes: {{In article <3592@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) writes: {{ {{I just tried to start up Hypercard 1.2.5 (from the latest Excellent {{CD) and was told that it needed 6.0.4 to run. So does this mean that {{HC1.2.5 is also not recommended for the other machines? What's the story? { {an odd situation. For the new TechNote and Q&A stacks you need at least {version 1.2.2 of Hypercard. I've looked high and low for this version (since {I only have 1.2.1 and cannot even browse these stacks) and have been unable {to find it. Now I come to find that even if I did, I would have problems {using it if I didn't have 6.0.4 and it is suggested by those in the know that {we (non ci and Portable owners) don't use 6.0.4??? What, exactly, is the {situation here.... total chaos before 7.0 comes out to introduce more bugs?? { {Bill Taroli {WWTAROLI@RODAN.acs.syr.edu I think "total chaos" is a little extreme. ;-) Anyway, you can find hypercard 1.2.2 at your local "Authorized Apple Dealer." Hypercard 1.2.2 works just fine on my Mac // running 6.0.2, but I believe it was shipped with 6.0.3. No, I haven't made the magical jump to 6.0.4 because I have had no reason to bother. If I couldn't read the Tech Notes stack, THAT would have been reason. :-) Cheers! -Russ -- Russ Donnan (415) 623-2121 Amdahl Corporation, Key Computer Laboratories, Fremont, CA, USA russ@key.amdahl.com, ...!{pacbell,sgi,amdahl}!key!russ -To capture the essence of an opinion takes but one lawyer.
bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) (01/19/90)
In article <1386@key.COM> russ@xanadu.key.COM (Russell Donnan) writes: >In article <1771@rodan.acs.syr.edu> wwtaroli@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Bill Taroli) writes: >{In article <50939@bbn.COM> levin@BBN.COM (Joel B Levin) writes: >{{In article <3592@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) writes: >{{ >{{I just tried to start up Hypercard 1.2.5 (from the latest Excellent >{{CD) and was told that it needed 6.0.4 to run. So does this mean that >{{HC1.2.5 is also not recommended for the other machines? What's the story? The fact that you need System 6.0.4 to run HyperCard 1.2.5 has nothing to do with 6.0.4's use on other Macintosh machines. In fact, 6.0.4 is an upgrade on 6.0.3 (in case you hadn't noticed) - you certainly can't hurt anything, and in special cases the upgrade might be beneficial. 6.0.4 isn't *required* for Macs other than the IIci and the Portable, but it's a good thing to have. >{an odd situation. For the new TechNote and Q&A stacks you need at least >{version 1.2.2 of Hypercard. I've looked high and low for this version (since >{I only have 1.2.1 and cannot even browse these stacks) and have been unable >{to find it. Now I come to find that even if I did, I would have problems >{using it if I didn't have 6.0.4 and it is suggested by those in the know that >{we (non ci and Portable owners) don't use 6.0.4??? What, exactly, is the >{situation here.... total chaos before 7.0 comes out to introduce more bugs?? Who ever suggested that people without a IIci or a Portable shouldnn't use 6.0.4? The new system includes several enhancements for the rest of the Macintosh family. For example: it contains a new method for determining what system configuration it's running under (Gestalt), it fixes a bug whereby a Mac Plus wouldn't notice that a disk had been inserted, and it adds some code to reduce the chances that a disk would be physically munched by a disk drive (destroying both in the process). None of these by themselves are reasons for going to a lot of trouble to upgrade, but in the long run it may well be worth it. >I think "total chaos" is a little extreme. ;-) Anyway, you can find >hypercard 1.2.2 at your local "Authorized Apple Dealer." Hypercard 1.2.2 >works just fine on my Mac // running 6.0.2, but I believe it was shipped >with 6.0.3. No, I haven't made the magical jump to 6.0.4 because I have >had no reason to bother. If I couldn't read the Tech Notes stack, THAT >would have been reason. :-) HyperCard 1.2.2 was shipped with System 6.0.3. The new System comes with HyperCard 1.2.5. Apple says that you should't use the old HyperCard with the new System, or vice-versa, or Bad Things will happen. Oh, and for a little filler: It's not a Mac //, it's a Mac II. You have your Mac II, your Apple ][, and your Apple //c. Got it? We won't mention the Apple /// here, out of deference for Apple. << Brian >> -- | Brian S. Kendig \ Macintosh | Engineering, | bskendig | | Computer Engineering |\ Thought | USS Enterprise | @phoenix.Princeton.EDU | Princeton University |_\ Police | -= NCC-1701-D =- | @PUCC.BITNET | | Systems Engineering, NASA Space Station Freedom / General Electric WP3 |
6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) (01/19/90)
From article <13060@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>, by bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig): > Who ever suggested that people without a IIci or a Portable shouldnn't > use 6.0.4? I did, and am I sorry! Just for the record, I posted a message in which I described what must have been a hallucination: that 6.0.4 was containdicated in all machines but the IIci and the portable. Maybe I saw it in a dream, but in any case, I WAS WRONG! Mea culpa, mea culpa (and I'm not even sure what that means). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pete Gontier | InterNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu, BitNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa Editor, Macker | Online Macintosh Programming Journal; mail for subscription Hire this kid | Mac, DOS, C, Pascal, asm, excellent communication skills
kyt@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Kok Yong Tan) (01/21/90)
In article <3643@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) writes: > >Just for the record, I posted a message in which I described what must have >been a hallucination: that 6.0.4 was containdicated in all machines but the >IIci and the portable. Maybe I saw it in a dream, but in any case, > >I WAS WRONG! > >Mea culpa, mea culpa (and I'm not even sure what that means). I just looked up the Fall 1989 issue of APDALog and while it does NOT say that system 6.0.4 is only for the portable and the Mac IIci, it DOES say that if you're "not going to use this software for testing on a Macintosh Portable or Macintosh IIci computer, there is no need to upgrade to Macintosh System Software v. 6.0.4" and that system 6.0.2 or system 6.0.3 is sufficient. (page C-48 of the APDALog, right hand column) =============================================================================== Kok-Yong Tan can be contacted via: BitNet: kyt@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (personal mail) kyt@cs.columbia.edu (other mail) CompuServe: 75046,256 ===============================================================================
wilkins@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Mark Wilkins) (01/22/90)
Even though APDALog says there's no need to update to 6.0.4 unless you need it, there are MANY bug fixes, including some Mac Plus specific ones. If you're on internet the listing is available from apple.com by ftp in the /pub/dts directory somewhere. -- Mark Wilkins wilkins@jarthur.claremont.edu
6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) (01/23/90)
From article <2661@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu>, by kyt@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Kok Yong Tan): > [quoting APDAlog:] "...there is no need to upgrade to > Macintosh System Software v. 6.0.4" and that system 6.0.2 or system 6.0.3 is > sufficient. (page C-48 of the APDALog, right hand column) Ah yes, but as has been prodigiously pointed out to me in tons of hate mail, you need System 6.0.4 to run HyperCard 1.2.5 because of Sound Manager enhancements. "Would Apple be so stupid as to release software that required an unstable OS version?" one MacFanatic asked. The answer is left as an exercise for the reader. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pete Gontier | InterNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu, BitNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa Editor, Macker | Online Macintosh Programming Journal; mail for subscription Hire this kid | Mac, DOS, C, Pascal, asm, excellent communication skills
jskuskin@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Jeffrey Kuskin) (01/23/90)
In article <3683@hub.UUCP> 6600pete@hub.UUCP (Pete Gontier) writes: >From article <2661@cunixc.cc.columbia.edu>, by kyt@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Kok Yong Tan): >> [quoting APDAlog:] "...there is no need to upgrade to >> Macintosh System Software v. 6.0.4" and that system 6.0.2 or system 6.0.3 is >> sufficient. (page C-48 of the APDALog, right hand column) > >Ah yes, but as has been prodigiously pointed out to me in tons of hate mail, >you need System 6.0.4 to run HyperCard 1.2.5 because of Sound Manager >enhancements. "Would Apple be so stupid as to release software that required >an unstable OS version?" one MacFanatic asked. The answer is left as an >exercise for the reader. I just purchased a IIcx (not a IIci) and it came with 6.0.4 and Hypercard 1.2.5, so it would seem that either Apple put the wrong software in the box (unlikely), or that, although you don't *have* to use 6.0.4 on anything but a IIci or Portable, there is no particular reason not to upgrade. -- Jeff Kuskin, Dartmouth College jskuskin@eleazar.dartmouth.edu
nilesinc@well.UUCP (Avi Rappoport) (01/23/90)
As always, BMUG has the latest versions of System set & HyperCard. We also have the previous version, in this case. System is $9, HyperCard is $8 (I think). Call (415) 849-2684 -- -- Help me justify my online bills: ask me EndNote questions, please! -- Avi Rappoport nilesinc@well.UUCP, Niles.Assoc on AppleLink 415-655-666 2000 Hearst, Berkeley, CA 94709