clubmac@runxtsa.runx.oz.au (Macintosh Users Group) (02/13/90)
Why in God's name was MacPassword 3.6.1 posted to comp.binaries.mac. Is the moderator still Roger Long? There's nothing more ANNOYING than CrippleWare It is a FUCKING OFFENCE TO HUMANITY to waste HUGE NET BANDWIDTH with such utter TRASH! There is ShareWare, FreeWare and even HappyWare (Gidday J.R.) but why must we have to swallow CrippleWare like MacPassword 3.6.1???? MacPassword 3.6.1 is a bloody ABOMINATION! _____________________________________________________________________________ | Jason Haines, Senior Vice-President | | Club Mac - Australia's Largest Macintosh Users Group | | P.O. Box 213, Holme Building, Sydney University, NSW 2006 | | INTERNET:clubmac@runxtsa.runx.oz.au UUCP: uunet!runxtsa.runx.oz.au!clubmac | | ACSNet: clubmac@runxtsa.runx.oz | |_____________________________________________________________________________|
sm5g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Hunter Morgan) (02/14/90)
You don't have to swallow it, you can simply ignore it. Hey, here is an idea, why not complain to the moderator of the bboard, instead of posting your own version of "utter TRASH". You don't have to be, and I quote: "a FUCKING OFFENCE TO HUMANITY". I would expect a little more from a Senior V.P. of a mac users group. -Scott Morgan sm5g@andrew.cmu.edu.HELL.NO.SLEEP
mjkobb@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Michael J Kobb) (02/14/90)
In article <sZq=5=W00UiOQ3eUhk@andrew.cmu.edu> sm5g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Hunter Morgan) writes: >You don't have to swallow it, you can simply ignore it. While I agree that the language in the original posting was, er, strong, I don't think that you can "simply ignore" the posting of an enormous program when the rate of throughput on such a group is so low. I posted GIFConverter 2.0d12 at the request of a bunch of people, and I still haven't seen it. It's demoware, which may upset some people, but it is fully functional, except that it corrupts the image it displays/saves slightly to encourage the payment of the fee... I think that the suggestion that I saw before of comp.binaries.mac.demos was a good idea. --Mike
woodl@physc1.byu.edu (02/14/90)
I would expect a LOT better from a senior VP of a Mac User's group!!! Larry Wood, Brigham Young University
pfr654@csc.anu.oz (02/14/90)
In article <651@runxtsa.runx.oz.au>, clubmac@runxtsa.runx.oz.au (Macintosh Users Group) writes: > Why in God's name was MacPassword 3.6.1 posted to comp.binaries.mac. Is the > moderator still Roger Long? There's nothing more ANNOYING than CrippleWare > It is a FUCKING OFFENCE TO HUMANITY to waste HUGE NET BANDWIDTH with such > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > | Jason Haines, Senior Vice-President | > |_____________________________________________________________________________| Jason, as a fellow Australian, I am immensely annoyed at your unnecessary usage of four letter words. We all know all the four letter words, but they nowadays have no real meaning and do not add anything to the language. All of your writing would mean exactly the same thing without the four letter words. I do not like reading such language, just as I do not particularly like hearing it. It does not tone in well with the nature of this newsgroup. ************************************************************************* Phil Ryan * No matter where Research Student * you go... ANU Department of Physics and Theoretical Physics * Canberra, Australia *... there you are. pfr654@csc.anu.oz * phone:(61-62)494678 * Buckaroo Banzai *************************************************************************
gall@yunexus.UUCP (Norm Gall) (02/14/90)
pfr654@csc.anu.oz writes: | Jason, as a fellow Australian, I am immensely annoyed at your unnecessary | usage of four letter words. We all know all the four letter words, but they | nowadays have no real meaning and do not add anything to the language. All | of your writing would mean exactly the same thing without the four letter | words. I'm afraid you are dead wrong here, chum. When a person says "I'm angry"--it can be easily and non-trivially distinguished from "I'M FUCKING ANGRY". The writing would mean something similar, but very much different. | I do not like reading such language, just as I do not particularly like | hearing it. It does not tone in well with the nature of this newsgroup. Perhaps that was the idea... nrg -- "The mythology of the language machine is the mythology of a technologically advanced society which has not yet come to terms with its own linguistic self-awareness." -- R. Harris
gall@yunexus.UUCP (Norm Gall) (02/15/90)
woodl@physc1.byu.edu writes: | I would expect a LOT better from a senior VP of a Mac User's group!!! Yes, indeed, I thought the invective was a little tame... (note lack of smileys) (thank you) nrg -- "The mythology of the language machine is the mythology of a technologically advanced society which has not yet come to terms with its own linguistic self-awareness." -- R. Harris
ngo@tammy.harvard.edu (Tom Ngo) (02/15/90)
Larry and Phil,
Thanks for standing up for what you believe. I agree: People
resort to foul language when they aren't sufficiently articulate
and self-confident to back up their views with convincing
arguments.
Jason, I'm sorry to sound condescending. Your message offended me
and I had to say something about it.
--Tom Ngo
ngo@harvard.edu
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haines> [Expletives deleted]
haines> ___________________________________________________________________
haines> | Jason Haines, Senior Vice-President
haines> |___________________________________________________________________
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wood> I would expect a LOT better from a senior VP of a Mac User's group!!!
wood> Larry Wood, Brigham Young University
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ryan> Jason, as a fellow Australian, I am immensely annoyed at your
ryan> unnecessary usage of four letter words. We all know all the
ryan> four letter words, but they nowadays have no real meaning and
ryan> do not add anything to the language. All of your writing would
ryan> mean exactly the same thing without the four letter words.
ryan> ***************************************************
ryan> Phil Ryan *
ryan> ANU Department of Physics and Theoretical Physics *
ryan> Canberra, Australia *
ryan> ***************************************************
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--Tom Ngo
ngo@harvard.harvard.edugall@yunexus.UUCP (Norm Gall) (02/15/90)
ngo@tammy.harvard.edu (Tom Ngo) writes: | Larry and Phil, | Thanks for standing up for what you believe. I agree: People | resort to foul language when they aren't sufficiently articulate | and self-confident to back up their views with convincing | arguments. Trash... the orignal posting wasn't an argument but an avowal. | Jason, I'm sorry to sound condescending. Your message offended me | and I had to say something about it. Fine... nrg -- "The mythology of the language machine is the mythology of a technologically advanced society which has not yet come to terms with its own linguistic self-awareness." -- R. Harris
gall@yunexus.UUCP (Norm Gall) (02/15/90)
ngg@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM (Norman Goodger) writes: | In article <651@runxtsa.runx.oz.au> clubmac@runxtsa.runx.oz.au (Macintosh Users Group) writes: [ expletives deleted ] | I think that your reaction and language are the abomination, if you want | to express your dislike of "crippleware" thats fine, but I and perhaps | others could do without the lower level of language...there are far | better ways to express dislike without nasty language, its just not | necessary and makes me think less of you and your organization than it | does of MacPassword. Shallow thinking then..... if you've never stubbed your toe then said 'shit', then I'd suppose you were either anally retentive or your 'mom brought you up right'. Somehow I don;t think this guy really sent the message out to draw comments... only to get something of his chest. If you don't like it, ignore him... he'll go away. If he thinks that his tirade will actually halt the spread of crippleware, he's sillier that you people... nrg -- "The mythology of the language machine is the mythology of a technologically advanced society which has not yet come to terms with its own linguistic self-awareness." -- R. Harris
werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) (02/15/90)
# Why in God's name was MacPassword 3.6.1 posted to comp.binaries.mac. Is the #moderator still Roger Long? There's nothing more ANNOYING than CrippleWare #It is a FUCKING OFFENCE TO HUMANITY to waste HUGE NET BANDWIDTH with such #utter TRASH! # #| Jason Haines, Senior Vice-President | #| Club Mac - Australia's Largest Macintosh Users Group | I would like to encourage all those "not so Senior" VPs as well as the "simple members" of this user-group to dump their Senior Vice-President. I was not surprised to hear from several individuals in Australia and New Zealand over the years that their personal impressions of Mr. Haines was bad enough never wanting to deal with him again.
lac@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Les Carr) (02/15/90)
Well, thanks to everyone for the interesting discussion on the use of language (perhaps it should be cross-posted to an arts/philosophy board for maximum exposure). What I would *really* like to know is "what is the matter with MacPassword". I was considering installing it, but .... Thanks in advance. -- L.Carr@ecs.soton.ac.uk Les Carr Tel: +44 703 593649 Dept of Electronics and Computer Science Fax: +44 703 593045 University of Southampton Telex: 47661 SOTONU G Southampton SO9 5NH England
rsvp@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (R. Scott V. Paterson) (02/16/90)
In article <7623@yunexus.UUCP> gall@yunexus.UUCP (Norm Gall) writes: >Shallow thinking then..... if you've never stubbed your toe then said >'shit', then I'd suppose you were either anally retentive or your 'mom >brought you up right'. That reasoning is laughable. When you swear after stubbing your tow, it is not because you thought to, it is a pure unthinking reaction. I think the same applies to the original posting. Obviously very little forethought. -rsvp
gall@yunexus.UUCP (Norm Gall) (02/16/90)
rsvp@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (R. Scott V. Paterson) writes: | In article <7623@yunexus.UUCP> gall@yunexus.UUCP (Norm Gall) writes: | >Shallow thinking then..... if you've never stubbed your toe then said | >'shit', then I'd suppose you were either anally retentive or your 'mom | >brought you up right'. | That reasoning is laughable. When you swear after stubbing your tow, | it is not because you thought to, it is a pure unthinking reaction. | I think the same applies to the original posting. Obviously very little | forethought. My reasoning is far from laughable... My point was precisely that the original post "was a pure unthinking reaction"... exactly as you surmise in your second para. Perhaps _you_ should be thinking more before you hit 'R'. nrg -- "The mythology of the language machine is the mythology of a technologically advanced society which has not yet come to terms with its own linguistic self-awareness." -- R. Harris
jim@bilpin.UUCP (JimG) (02/16/90)
#{v_mac.8}
IN ARTICLE: <651@runxtsa.runx.oz.au>,
clubmac@runxtsa.runx.oz.au (Jason Haines) WRITES:
> [Ranting deleted - we've all read it already.]
IN ARTICLE: <7604@yunexus.UUCP>, gall@yunexus.UUCP (Norm Gall) WRITES:
> woodl@physc1.byu.edu writes:
>
> | I would expect a LOT better from a senior VP of a Mac User's group!!!
>
> Yes, indeed, I thought the invective was a little tame...
>
> (note lack of smileys)
Without any rational explanation of his ill favour, Mr Haines fulminates
to no good purpose - unless we are expected to accept his condemnation
of the program without question; the only fact with which we are
supplied is that the program is large - hardly a capital offence. Having
used MacSnoop by the same author for some time without any problems, I
for one, being entirely unacquainted with Mr Haines, would need
something more concrete on which to base my opinions. I wonder why it
wasn't considered necessary to provide any useful information as to the
precursors to this vilification? As it is, I am simply left with the
impression that something went wrong, and someone didn't have a backup
...
--
Another Fine Product from <mcvax!ukc!icdoc!bilpin!jim> <jim@bilpin.uucp>
{JimG : Hatfield, England}
This line has been intentionally left blankdanny@garnet.berkeley.edu (Danny Lee) (02/19/90)
Next subject please !!
chma@iceman.jcu.oz (Michael Antolovich) (02/19/90)
In article <22woodl@physc1.byu.edu>, woodl@physc1.byu.edu writes: > I would expect a LOT better from a senior VP of a Mac User's group!!! > > Larry Wood, Brigham Young University Yes but you don't know him like we do !! This IS his best !