mustang@spock.UUCP (Neil McNeight) (02/20/90)
I KNOW!! There is an unwritten law stating that cross-posting between Mac and Apple newsgroups is forbidden, but this question has to do with both. I am having the darndest time trying to transfer files from the Macs in the computer lab to my //gs in my room. Before you go through the trouble of thinking of some elaborate scheme I should use or something I forgot, let me list what I know: -I know these files should be Apple compatible because I download them from comp.binaries.apple off of our VAX 11/780 (soon to be a Sun 3... I hope :-). Yes I realize these need to be BinSCII'ed (BinHex in Mac terms) and un-Shrinkit'ed (un-Stuffit'ed for the Mac) and I successfully converted BinSCII from VAX to Mac to Apple, but when I ftp'ed sumex for Shrinkit and eventually converted it, it didn't work! (Note: the BinSCII was a text file which I executed, when then produced the real BinSCII (not like you Mac users know what th' he|| I'm talking about :)) -Forget about any kind of direct link between //gs and VAX because... (1) I have no communications program, and (2) I'm NOT lugging my gs all the way to the computer center unless I absolutely HAVE to. -I've used Apple File Transfer 'till I'm blue in the face and still nothing. Does BinHex do the same job as BinSCII (for those of you who are bi-lingual)? Is there something on the VAX which does the same job as BinSCII (forget about uuencode/uudecode)? Any help on the subject (mail or post) would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil McNeight |"Does anyone know where the love of God goes" Class of 1991 |"When the waves turn the minutes to hours" Choate Rosemary Hall | -Gordon Lightfoot Wallingford, CT | 'The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald' Real Home: Marine City, MI |--------------------------------------------- Real Life: Still searching | Even!if!I@knew.my.path,I!wouldn't.tell!YOU! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
toddpw@tybalt.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) (02/20/90)
If you left the files as text until you got them to the //gs, then few things could go wrong, and those would be: binary mode used by FTP, so all returns in the file are actually line feeds (unix uses linefeeds instead of returns). AFE (which is too F*cking slow because it thinks a prodos disk is a bad quantum) might have used its default translation (it shouldn't) which would preserve the linefeeds... even then, binscii should walk right past them without any problems. could you describe exactly the method you've been using, and where the problems show up? Todd Whitesel toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
MARCELO@phoenix.princeton.edu (MARCELO) (02/21/90)
In article <1011@spock.UUCP> mustang@spock.UUCP (Neil McNeight) writes: > -Forget about any kind of direct link between //gs and VAX because... > (1) I have no communications program, and > (2) I'm NOT lugging my gs all the way to the computer center > unless I absolutely HAVE to. > > -I've used Apple File Transfer 'till I'm blue in the face and still > nothing. .. You could probably keep on using AFE " 'till I'm blue in the face" and never get anywhere .. The file that resides on comp.binary.apple (or whatever) is a text file .. Regardless of where that file ends up it will always be text .. That means it's text on the Vax on a Sun on a Mac on an IBM on an Amiga and on an Apple ][ .. There is no need to use AFE .. In fact if you do use AFE it takes this data which is for an Apple ][ and treats it like it was a Mac file (trouble begins here) .. Now we take this file and convert it to Apple ][ format using AFE (why?? it was in A ][ form to begin with) .. You now have a file filled with garbage That is useless to any and all machines ..
huang@husc4.HARVARD.EDU (Howard Huang) (02/21/90)
In article <1011@spock.UUCP> mustang@spock.UUCP (Neil McNeight) writes: >... I >ftp'ed sumex for Shrinkit and eventually converted it, it didn't work! Are you sure you got Shrinkit and not Stuffit? As far as I know, sumex only carries Mac software. Try ftp'ing to husc6.harvard.edu or him1.cc.umich.edu to get Shrinkit. >...Does BinHex do the same job as BinSCII (for those of you who >are bi-lingual)? Is there something on the VAX which does the same job >as BinSCII (forget about uuencode/uudecode)? BinHex and BinSCII are different. There is source code (in C) for a program called sciibin, which you can get from husc6 (in the Unix directory). If you compile this prog on your VAX (soon to be a Sun), you can un-Binscii files on the VAX and download them as binary. However, it's probably easier (but slower) to just download the text files (binscii'ed) to your Mac and then un-Binscii them on the Apple II. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Howard C. Huang Internet: huang@husc4.harvard.edu Sophomore Computer Science Major Bitnet: huang@husc4.BITNET Mather House 426, Harvard College UUCP: huang@husc4.UUCP (I think) Cambridge, MA 02138 Apple II: ftp husc6.harvard.edu
pem@cadnetix.COM (Paul Meyer) (02/23/90)
In article <1011@spock.UUCP> mustang@spock.UUCP (Neil McNeight) writes: > > I KNOW!! There is an unwritten law stating that cross-posting >between Mac and Apple newsgroups is forbidden, but this question has to >do with both. I don't know it; then again, I don't tend to read the Apple group. On the other hand, if you're not looking for a hardware solution, why did you crosspost to c.s.m.h? > > I am having the darndest time trying to transfer files from the >Macs in the computer lab to my //gs in my room. Before you go through >the trouble of thinking of some elaborate scheme I should use or >something I forgot, let me list what I know: I used to do this a little; I have both a Mac and a //gs at home, and occcasionally pull things off the net for the //gs, but it's been a long time since I did this (the last time was before the advent of BinScii, when everything was in Executioner format). My problems usually started on the UNIX->Mac end of things; I had lousy luck with text downloads, but got the PD source for xmodem and that took care of it. These days we have Macs at work and use TOPS... I'd guess that your problem is in text-file translation. I've never had the AFE text translator work for me; use the default (pure binary) translation. Make sure that the line-ends are correct for the Apple--the Mac uses just a cr (ascii 13) for line-ends. I don't know offhand what ProDOS uses (you can tell which of my machines I do most stuff on). I'd try the various permutations--make three copies of the file and change all the line-ends to cr in one, to crlf in another, and to lf in the last. (I'd do all this on the Mac, using McSink or equivalent; I imagine MS Word could do it with enough effort.) Lastly, perhaps the ProDOS file type bytes are coming out wrong? Does Binscii expect a specific value that AFE doesn't put in? Do any of the folks with the MPW //gs tools have a tool to make this job easier? Paul Meyer pem@cadnetix.COM Daisy/Cadnetix Inc. (DAZIX) {uunet,boulder}!cadnetix!pem 5775 Flatirons Pkwy. GEnie P.MEYER CI$ 73627,1274 AoL LordKorath Boulder, CO 80301 (303)444-8075x277
dcw@lcs.mit.edu (David C. Whitney) (02/23/90)
In article <11494@cadnetix.COM> pem@cadnetix.COM (Paul Meyer) writes: > Lastly, perhaps the ProDOS file type bytes are coming out wrong? >Does Binscii expect a specific value that AFE doesn't put in? BinSCII cares about NOTHING. Line-ends are ignored. Multiple parts to decode can sit in the same text file. You can even process them out of order. Have a party. > >Paul Meyer pem@cadnetix.COM >Daisy/Cadnetix Inc. (DAZIX) {uunet,boulder}!cadnetix!pem >5775 Flatirons Pkwy. GEnie P.MEYER CI$ 73627,1274 AoL LordKorath >Boulder, CO 80301 (303)444-8075x277 -- Dave Whitney dcw@sun-bear.lcs.mit.edu ...!mit-eddie!sun-bear!dcw dcw@athena.mit.edu My employer pays me well. This, however, does not mean he agrees with me. I wrote Z-Link & BinSCII. Send me bug reports. I use a //GS. Send me Tech Info.
wombat@claris.com (Scott Lindsey) (02/24/90)
In article <11494@cadnetix.COM> pem@cadnetix.COM (Paul Meyer) writes: Do any of the folks with the MPW //gs tools have a tool to make this > job easier? Yes, it's called DuplicateIIgs, but you have to have MPWIIgs in order to get it. A.F.E. is the only thing available to the masses. Scott Lindsey | I dig iguana in their outer space duds Claris Corp. | saying, "Aren't you glad we only eat bugs?" ames!claris!wombat| DISCLAIMER: These are not the opinions of Claris, Apple, wombat@claris.com | StyleWare, the author, or anyone else living or Dead.