J.Pearce@ucl-cs.UUCP (02/24/90)
From: J.Pearce@uk.ac.ucl.cs I would greatly appreciate and recommendations/suggestions for a Smalltalk environment for use on a Macintosh IIci. The only one I can find is Digitalk Smalltalk/V advertised in MacWorld. I particularly want to use Smalltalk to write some event driven simulations - so I would be interested to know what methods for statistical and queueing come with any version of Smalltalk. John R. Pearce jpearce@uk.ac.ucl.cs Computer Science Department, University College London, Gower Street, London, WC1E 6BT, ENGLAND.
fullerr@yvax.byu.edu (02/26/90)
Smalltalk-80 has the advantage of being portable to any platform without recompiling, and with the educational discount it is only $149. It is available from ParkPlace Systems 1550 Plymouth St. Mountain View, Ca. 94043. (415) 691-6744.
jasper@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (02/27/90)
Another company is ParcPlace Systems. They make a smalltalk programming environment called Objectworks. I've never actually used, but I looked at it briefly. It's huge. Not a casual thing to learn. It requires 4MB of RAM and 10 MB of free space on your hard drive. Check em out. Their Address: ParPlace Systems 1550 Plymouth St. Mountain View, CA 94043 ph# 800/822-7880 ph# 415/691-6700 Also they have an educational discount system. Here at U of Illinois we can sign away our first born child and copy the disks and buy copies of the manuals for $50. I don't know how they worked that out. Good Luck Nick Jasper jasper@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
news@calgary.UUCP (Network News Manager) (02/28/90)
From: sharp@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Maurice Sharp)
Path: cpsc!sharp
I thought I would shove in my 2 cents worth. I have used both
Smalltalk-80 and Smalltalk-V/Mac. Both are good. Smalltalk-V only
implements about 80% of standard smalltalk (the blue book), it also
does not have as nice a development environment. On the other hand,
it actually runs at a reasonable speed.
Smalltalk-80 is easier to transfer to supported machines and also
supports more machines. Smalltalk-V is basically mac and IBM. If you
want Unix boxes, Smalltalk-80 is Sun/Mac/IBM. Of course it is a dog
in terms of performance. But if you have the memory and the
processing. I would not consider less than a IIcx with 8 megs of
memory. In fact, a IIci with cache card is preferable.
One other comment, I have my own bone of contention with
ParcPlace. Mainly, they used to support Apollo, now they are not
producing the new versions for that platform. They may, but who
knows...
Over all, Smalltalk-80 is a more 'complete' version with a very
nice environment. Good tools, and a good tutorial. But a dog in
terms of performance. It runs great on a Sparc (usually), but on an
SE or an old II it is *really* grindy. It is also useless on less
than a full page display.
Smalltalk-V is built for the Mac. It provides great access to
the toolbox. It is *very* fast, you could actually produce something
marketable from it. Forget an end product with st80.
maurice
Maurice Sharp MSc. Student
University of Calgary Computer Science Department
2500 University Drive N.W. sharp@ksi.cpsc.UCalgary.CA
Calgary, Alberta, T2N 1N4 ...!alberta!calgary!sharp
Maurice Sharp MSc. Student
University of Calgary Computer Science Department
2500 University Drive N.W. sharp@ksi.cpsc.UCalgary.CA
Calgary, Alberta, T2N 1N4 ...!alberta!calgary!sharp