mr2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Tod Rose) (03/06/90)
can anyone think of a reason why the new Moose (as in Talking, the CDEV version) should not work on an SE/30 (sys 6.04, Macintalk installed, 5 meg memory)? I'd like to find out about this before buying it. -mike
dplatt@coherent.com (Dave Platt) (03/07/90)
In article <oZwoIem00UzxQ2EEwC@andrew.cmu.edu> mr2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Tod Rose) writes: > > can anyone think of a reason why the new Moose (as in Talking, the CDEV > version) should not work on an SE/30 (sys 6.04, Macintalk installed, 5 > meg memory)? I'd like to find out about this before buying it. I can't say as to that, specifically. However, a note about the future... Apple's latest word on Macintalk is that it will _NOT_ work with the new Sound Manager which is included in System 7.0. Macintalk apparently pokes data directly into the sound hardware on the older Macs... a technique which doesn't work on the Mac II and other machines with the Apple Sound Chip. The Sound Manager in System 6.0.x attempts to emulate the older hardware's behavior, by trapping writes to the nonexistent hardware and generating equivalent commands to the Sound Chip. There are some serious problems with this emulation... it locks out all other Sound Manager access, including SysBeep(), and you must issue an ExitToShell() to reset the compatibility mode and get your sound hardware back. Apple is rewriting the Sound Manager for System 7.0, to supply some long-sought-after features (finally, REAL stereo sound capability!). They've apparently decided that the old hardware-emulation mode is not compatible with the new Sound Manager design, and are going to drop it. So... if you buy Talking Moose now, it'll stop working when you install System 7.0... unless somebody comes up with a complete reimplementation of Macintalk which is Sound Manager compatible. -- Dave Platt VOICE: (415) 493-8805 UUCP: ...!{ames,apple,uunet}!coherent!dplatt DOMAIN: dplatt@coherent.com INTERNET: coherent!dplatt@ames.arpa, ...@uunet.uu.net USNAIL: Coherent Thought Inc. 3350 West Bayshore #205 Palo Alto CA 94303
rc3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ross Ward Comer) (03/07/90)
mr2t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Tod Rose) writes: > can anyone think of a reason why the new Moose (as in Talking, the CDEV > version) should not work on an SE/30 (sys 6.04, Macintalk installed, 5 > meg memory)? I'd like to find out about this before buying it. Yup, I can (or at least found out when I got my SE/30). You need Macintalk v1.3 (stress on the v1.3) in your system folder. Finding this is the difficult part, though. I believe it is included on the disk when you pay the Moose shareware fee... Also, I think I may have it somewhere... ross rc3h@andrew.cmu.edu
gillies@m.cs.uiuc.edu (03/09/90)
One of the tech notes just posted to comp.binaries.mac explains macintalk--- Macintalk was subcontracted as demo software for the 1984 rollout of the Mac 128k, so the mac could introduce itself to the audience. In other words, apple doesn't have the source, never intended to support it, but nevertheless it SURVIVED. It is guaranteed to die in system 7.0. Also, it is guaranteed to kill your mac whenever two programs compete for the sound manager. I think it's very sad that Apple has not ceased on the opportunity to add a voice capability to the macintosh. This reminds me of Xerox, where the best software was always written during spare time as a "fun hack". The marketing 'droids never had the creativity to understand why or how someone could use such a "fun hack". Look what happened to Xerox.
roy@phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) (03/09/90)
Talking Moose is one of the silliest things I've ever seen. Aside
from the fact that it does absolutely nothing useful, I can't even make out
what it's saying most of the time (nor can most other people I know, unless
they listen very closely). This is, however, totally immaterial. People
like it. Lots of people around here run it on their macs. I can see
disaster looming in the distance. System 7.0 will come out. I will lay
down the law that all Macs on the network must be running the same version
of the System (or at least LaserPrep) to preserve my sanity. People will
discover that Moose doesn't run under 7.0 and will revert to 6.0.3. I'll
go nuts.
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