[comp.sys.mac] Word question

gilley@ndl.COM (Greg Gilley) (12/04/89)

Is there an easy (or any way) to add an underline that travels
margin to margin in a header?  I don't mean an underline in the
sense of underlined-text, but a dividing line.  Any help and/or
pointers would be appreciated.  Thanks,
				    Greg
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c8s-an@franny.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Lau) (12/05/89)

In article <162@ndl.UUCP> gilley@ndl.COM (Greg Gilley) writes:
>Is there an easy (or any way) to add an underline that travels
>margin to margin in a header?  I don't mean an underline in the
>sense of underlined-text, but a dividing line.  Any help and/or
>pointers would be appreciated.  Thanks,

You should try a "dot-leader tab", available in the Indents
dialog box (if I remember right).

I don't have my Mac or my manuals with me right now, so I can't
quite check.

>				    Greg

--- Alex "not a Word maven, anyway" Lau

xdab@tank.uchicago.edu (David Baird) (12/05/89)

In article <162@ndl.UUCP> gilley@ndl.COM (Greg Gilley) writes:
>Is there an easy (or any way) to add an underline that travels
>margin to margin in a header?  I don't mean an underline in the
>sense of underlined-text, but a dividing line.  Any help and/or
>pointers would be appreciated.  Thanks,
>				    Greg

In Word 4 you can use the Border feature to place a line from margin
to margin.

In Word 3 you could use a right tab with a solid line leader.

	David Baird

hirchert@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu (12/06/89)

Greg Gilley (gilley@ndl.COM) asks:
>Is there an easy (or any way) to add an underline that travels
>margin to margin in a header?  I don't mean an underline in the
>sense of underlined-text, but a dividing line.  Any help and/or
>pointers would be appreciated.  Thanks,
>				    Greg

Place the cursor in the paragraph below which you want the dividing line.
Select the Paragraph command from the Format menu.  Click on the Borders
button.  Click on the bottom border to turn the bottom border on.  (You
can choose which of several border formats you want from the icons on the
left.)  Click on the Borders OK button and then the Paragraph OK button to
confirm what you've just done and voila, you have it.

Kurt W. Hirchert     hirchert@ncsa.uiuc.edu
National Center for Supercomputing Applications

neilh@microsoft.UUCP (Neil Hoopman) (12/06/89)

In article <162@ndl.UUCP> gilley@ndl.COM (Greg Gilley) writes:
>Is there an easy (or any way) to add an underline that travels
>margin to margin in a header?  I don't mean an underline in the
>sense of underlined-text, but a dividing line.  Any help and/or
>pointers would be appreciated.  Thanks,

The easiest way would be to use a paragraph border.  Click in the
paragraph that you want to set the border for and go to Format/Paragraph.
Click on the Borders... button.  It sounds like you want a border
across the bottom, so click below the sample paragraph.

Hope this helps...

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frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) (03/08/90)

Is it possible to make Word print greyscale text?

-- 
Frank Kolnick,
Basis Computer Systems Inc.
UUCP: {allegra, linus}!utzoo!mnetor!frank

hirchert@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Kurt Hirchert) (03/09/90)

In article <5284@mnetor.UUCP> frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) writes:
>Is it possible to make Word print greyscale text?

As far as I have been able to determine, Word 4 won't support greyscale
output directly, but it will support text in several different colors.
Displayed on a greyscale monitor (or greyscale mode on a color monitor) or
printed to a LaserWriter using the 6.0 driver, these colors will manifest
themselves as shades of grey.
-- 
Kurt W. Hirchert     hirchert@ncsa.uiuc.edu
National Center for Supercomputing Applications

jcb2647@cec1.wustl.edu (James Christopher Beard) (03/09/90)

In article <5284@mnetor.UUCP> frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) writes:
>Is it possible to make Word print greyscale text?

Yes, but "make" is the right word.  If you are outputting to a
postscript device, there are a couple of ways to do it.  One is to
create the text in Cricket Draw, which includes "Intensity" under
"Text Attributes": you can set the intensity of the text to 50% or
whatever and paste it into Word as a graphic.  It would seem to make more
sense to  create the text in Word, copy it as a picture
(command-option-D), paste it into Cricket Draw, alter the intensity of
the desired portion, and bring it back into Word with all the spacing
and positioning, etc., intact, but that doesn't seem to work since
Cricket Draw perversely messes up the spatial relationships of the
text objects it imports, defeating the purpose.  Also, remember to
save all work before ever invoking or changing the focus to Cricket
Draw, since it is an all-time champ at crashing machines.  MacDraw
handles imported text much better, but at least the old version I use
doesn't allow varying text intensity.  I don't see a way for Canvas to
do this, either.

Another alternative is (ulp) writing a bit of PostScript code that
places the gray text on the page in the place you want, and then
applying the PostScript style to the code.  You won't see it in
pictorial form at all on the screen, but if the code is correct it
will print out.  Word comes with some sample documents that
demonstrate this sort of thing.  

frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) (03/10/90)

In article <1990Mar9.050345.12505@cec1.wustl.edu> jcb2647@cec1.wustl.edu (James Christopher Beard) writes:
>In article <5284@mnetor.UUCP> frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) writes:
>>Is it possible to make Word print greyscale text?
>
>Yes, but "make" is the right word.  If you are outputting to a
>postscript device, there are a couple of ways to do it.  One is to
>create the text in Cricket Draw, which includes "Intensity" under
>"Text Attributes": you can set the intensity of the text to 50% or
>whatever and paste it into Word as a graphic. ...

I don't mind using a graphic every now and then, but not in this case.
I was hoping for something I could slip into a style, or at least a
glossary. (Someone suggested that setting a non-black colour in
the 'character' dialog would print gray on non-colour devices, but
that unfortunately isn't true.)  especially have no intention of
using Cricket Draw which, aside from being slow and prone to crash,
hasn't worked since I installed NFNTs on my system. (also, how many
other 5-year-old products are still stuck in version 1?)

>Another alternative is (ulp) writing a bit of PostScript code that
>places the gray text on the page in the place you want, and then
>applying the PostScript style to the code.  You won't see it in
>pictorial form at all on the screen, but if the code is correct it
>will print out.  Word comes with some sample documents that
>demonstrate this sort of thing.  

This seems to be the only real method (damn).


-- 
Frank Kolnick,
Basis Computer Systems Inc.
UUCP: {allegra, linus}!utzoo!mnetor!frank

jskuskin@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Jeffrey Kuskin) (03/10/90)

In article <1990Mar9.050345.12505@cec1.wustl.edu> jcb2647@cec1.wustl.edu (James Christopher Beard) writes:
>In article <5284@mnetor.UUCP> frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) writes:
>>Is it possible to make Word print greyscale text?
>

[Description of using CricketGraph/MacDraw or writing embedded Postcript
code deleted.]

Two notes:

1)  FullWrite directly supports greyscale text at any intensity.

2)  If you plan to print to the LaserWriter, be aware that it is
    optimized for greyscale text at 25, 50, and 75% intensities.  Other
    intensities will print, of course, but may not look as nice.

-- Jeff Kuskin, Dartmouth College

jskuskin@eleazar.dartmouth.edu

hirchert@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Kurt Hirchert) (03/12/90)

In article <5293@mnetor.UUCP> frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) writes:
>          (Someone suggested that setting a non-black colour in
>the 'character' dialog would print gray on non-colour devices, but
>that unfortunately isn't true.)
I was that "someone", and it _is_ true, provided you are using version 6.0 of
the LaserWriter drivers (which I believe came with 32-bit color QuickDraw).
You can also see the same effect on a greyscale monitor or by putting a color
monitor in a greyscale mode.  I would guess that as far as printing goes, this
applies only to PostScript printers.  ImageWriters, DeskWriters, etc. probably
still produce only black and white for colors, but I've definitely seen colors
rendered as shades of gray on a LaserWriter with the right driver.
-- 
Kurt W. Hirchert     hirchert@ncsa.uiuc.edu
National Center for Supercomputing Applications

frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) (03/15/90)

In article <1990Mar11.225036.13001@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu- hirchert@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Kurt Hirchert) writes:
-In article <5293@mnetor.UUCP> frank@mnetor.UUCP (Frank Kolnick) writes:
->          (Someone suggested that setting a non-black colour in
->the 'character' dialog would print gray on non-colour devices, but
->that unfortunately isn't true.)
-I was that "someone", and it _is_ true, provided you are using version 6.0 of
-the LaserWriter drivers (which I believe came with 32-bit color QuickDraw).

That's what I was missing! I picked up a new driver & prep from my
dealer today, and Word now prints nice greyscale text on my Laserwriter.
Thanks very much for this tip (and thanks to the many people sent me mail).

-- 
Frank Kolnick,
Basis Computer Systems Inc.
UUCP: {allegra, linus}!utzoo!mnetor!frank