long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) (06/27/90)
In article <11176@pucc.Princeton.EDU> RSBONDI@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes: >Warning!! Warning!! This is what I thought until I called Dove >about their $500.- '030 board (MacConnection price). Turns out >you do not get an appreciable speed increase at all: all the board >is good for is PMM - and if that were all I wanted, I personally >would buy some cheap RAM and the Virtual INIT instead. As far ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Umm... you'll have to run that by me again. If you have a Plus or SE (as I assume you do; otherwise, why the interest in the Dove board?), buying Virtual won't get you a thing--you've got to have the MMU. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ /'') /'~ / | long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com | Don't take life too /''\ /,, /,, | ...!decwrl!mcntsh.enet.dec.com!long | seriously; you won't Richard C. Long | long%mcntsh.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com | get out alive anyway.
fiddler@concertina.Sun.COM (Steve Hix) (06/27/90)
In article <12896@shlump.nac.dec.com>, long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) writes: > > In article <11176@pucc.Princeton.EDU> RSBONDI@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes: > > >Warning!! Warning!! This is what I thought until I called Dove > >about their $500.- '030 board (MacConnection price). Turns out > >you do not get an appreciable speed increase at all: all the board > >is good for is PMM - and if that were all I wanted, I personally > >would buy some cheap RAM and the Virtual INIT instead. As far > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Umm... you'll have to run that by me again. If you have a Plus or SE (as I > assume you do; otherwise, why the interest in the Dove board?), buying Virtual > won't get you a thing--you've got to have the MMU. According to my copy of Motorola's "MC68030 Enhanced 32-Bit Microprocessor User's Manual", section 9, the '030 has the MMU built in. The FPU, too. Admittedly, the '020 needs an MMU to work with Virtual. ------------ The only drawback with morning is that it comes at such an inconvenient time of day. ------------
frank@urz.unibas.ch (06/28/90)
In article <137926@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>, fiddler@concertina.Sun.COM (Steve Hix) writes: > In article <12896@shlump.nac.dec.com>, long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) writes: >> >> In article <11176@pucc.Princeton.EDU> RSBONDI@pucc.Princeton.EDU writes: >> >> >Warning!! Warning!! This is what I thought until I called Dove >> >about their $500.- '030 board (MacConnection price). Turns out >> >you do not get an appreciable speed increase at all: all the board >> >is good for is PMM - and if that were all I wanted, I personally >> >would buy some cheap RAM and the Virtual INIT instead. As far >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> Umm... you'll have to run that by me again. If you have a Plus or SE (as I >> assume you do; otherwise, why the interest in the Dove board?), buying Virtual >> won't get you a thing--you've got to have the MMU. > > According to my copy of Motorola's "MC68030 Enhanced 32-Bit Microprocessor > User's Manual", section 9, the '030 has the MMU built in. The FPU, too. !^^^^^^^^^^^^! > > Admittedly, the '020 needs an MMU to work with Virtual. > Nope! Not the '030!!! The '040 is the first chip with an on-chip FPU (or at least parts of it).
RSBONDI@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Richard S. Bondi) (06/29/90)
>>Warning!! Warning!! This is what I thought until I called Dove >>about their $500.- '030 board (MacConnection price). Turns out >>you do not get an appreciable speed increase at all: all the board >>is good for is PMM - and if that were all I wanted, I personally >>would buy some cheap RAM and the Virtual INIT instead. As far >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Umm... you'll have to run that by me again. If you have a Plus or SE (as I >assume you do; otherwise, why the interest in the Dove board?), buying Virtual >won't get you a thing--you've got to have the MMU. So I've since been told. Sorry, my mistake.
fjo@mtcchi.uucp (2667-Frank Owen(ZG90210)0000) (06/29/90)
RSBONDI@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Richard S. Bondi) writes: >In article <388@arkham.enet.dec.com>, norteman@gemvax.enet.dec.com (Karen J. Norteman) writes: >Warning!! Warning!! This is what I thought until I called Dove >about their $500.- '030 board (MacConnection price). Turns out >you do not get an appreciable speed increase at all: all the board >is good for is PMM - and if that were all I wanted, I personally >would buy some cheap RAM and the Virtual INIT instead. As far Wait a second here! You CANNOT run Virtual INIT on your MacPlus. It REQUIRES the PMM. >as I can tell, if I want SE/30 performance out of an SE or Plus, I >will have to buy an expensive accelerator (Radius or sthg) or The cheapest '030 _accelerator_ I believe is the Mercury board from Total Systems. I _think_ it runs about $599. There is also a board from Novy Systems called "Quick030" or something like that that is similiarly priced. I do not know how the performance of either of these compares with an SE/30. -- Frank Owen (fjo@ihcgf.att.com) 708-305-3182 Memorex-Telex Corporation Indian Hill Court 1000 E. Warrenville Rd. RM 1A315 Naperville, Il 60563
martin@netcom.UUCP (Martin Hall) (07/04/90)
Speaking of upgrades.....do anyone know if Radius is going to offer an '030 for their SE accelerators? I have a Radius accelerator....I would like it to be a '030. Radius are you listening? ----Martin----