ins_ammm@jhunix.UUCP (Mamdouh Maher) (12/06/87)
I am having trouble with MultiFinder. 1- Why is it that the finder application disapears after running two applications ? 2- Is MultiFinder THAT incompatible with software ? 3- Every other time I run it I get 'unable to find finder' or something of the sort. Then I have to reset. 4- How can I make it the startup application ? It won't let me. I have a Mac+ 1Meg 20Meg Jasmine 1DDrive. I have both MultiFinder and the DA handler Thank you all
chuq@plaid.Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) (12/06/87)
>I am having trouble with MultiFinder. > >1- Why is it that the finder application disapears after running two > applications ? You probably don't have enough memory. >2- Is MultiFinder THAT incompatible with software ? Nope. I've found two programs that I use that don't like it: the PD version of Rogue, and SuperPaint, which hangs the system when you try to set things up for full screen. Everything else I use is at least MF tolerant. >I have a Mac+ 1Meg 20Meg Jasmine 1DDrive. One meg is small to run MF and lots of other applications. use the finder "get info" to see what you're memory allocation is, but if you're planning on running lots of applications, you'll need more memory (you don't mention what the other applications you're using are, but unless they are small things, you're going to have troubles) chuq --- Chuq "Fixed in 4.0" Von Rospach chuq@sun.COM Delphi: CHUQ
shap@sfsup.UUCP (J.S.Shapiro) (12/07/87)
In article <35660@sun.uucp>, chuq@plaid.UUCP writes: > Nope. I've found two programs that I use that don't like it: the PD version > of Rogue, and SuperPaint, which hangs the system when you try to set things > up for full screen. Everything else I use is at least MF tolerant. At last I may get a chance to help *you* out, Chuq. In case you aren't already aware, there is a superpaint patch program for the Mac II to solve these problems. If you would like, I will grab it off of some BBS and drop it on netnews, though I thought that it had been around. Also, Dungeons of Doom V4.0 works on the Mac II provided the screen is in 2 bit mode... Jon Shapiro
gshapiro@wpi.wpi.edu (Gregory N. Shapiro) (02/09/89)
Recently APDA distributed a beta version of MultiFinder (6.2a1??) that was in beta testing. One of the features that stands out in my mind is the ability to set aside application windows. Does anyone have this new MultiFinder. I would like to get a copy of it (through either InterNet of BitNet if possible)? Anyone willing? Greg _____________________________________________________________________________ Gregory Shapiro Gregory Shapiro Worcester Polytechnic Institute Worcester Polytechnic Institute GSHAPIRO@WPI.BITNET Box 1397 GSHAPIRO@WPI.WPI.EDU (130.215.24.1) 100 Institute Road GEnie: THE.CYCLOPS Worcester, Massachusetts 01609 MacNet: GShapiro United States _____________________________________________________________________________
borton@uva.UUCP (Chris Borton) (02/17/89)
In article <700@wpi.WPI.EDU> gshapiro@wpi.wpi.edu (Gregory N. Shapiro) writes: >Recently APDA distributed a beta version of MultiFinder (6.2a1??) that >was in beta testing. One of the features that stands out in my mind is >the ability to set aside application windows. Does anyone have this >new MultiFinder. I would like to get a copy of it (through either >InterNet of BitNet if possible)? Anyone willing? The beta version (thus 6.2b1 or so) was distributed only with SADE, which required certain hooks built into this new MF to work. APDA is the only legal source I know of for this. It does have a nice MDEF trick--changes a menu item with the option key while the menu is down :-), like FullWrite Pro. This toggles between Set Aside <app> and Set Aside Others. Handy. The interesting part, I found, is the new 'official' release of SADE with the official MPW 3.0: it is distributed with System 7.0b1. [Note: I haven't seen this myself yet; this came from a colleague who was recently at an MPW class] This new system is necessary since the new SADE uses Inter-Process Communication. It apparently works much more robustly than the previous, although a few of the error messages are still sometimes out in right field. The recommendation is to stick to 6.0.[23] unless you need the new SADE. -cbb -- Chris Borton borton%uva@mcvax.{nl,bitnet,uucp} Rotary Scholar, University of Amsterdam CS
sagen@nucthy.physics.orst.edu (Milt Sagen) (02/21/89)
In article <642@uva.UUCP> borton@uva.UUCP (Chris Borton) writes: >In article <700@wpi.WPI.EDU> gshapiro@wpi.wpi.edu (Gregory N. Shapiro) writes: >>Recently APDA distributed a beta version of MultiFinder (6.2a1??) that The upgrade package I just received had Multifinder 6.1b7 include with the Sade package. >The interesting part, I found, is the new 'official' release of SADE with the >official MPW 3.0: it is distributed with System 7.0b1. [Note: I haven't seen >this myself yet; this came from a colleague who was recently at an MPW class] However, nowhere, on the 13 disks which comprised the upgrade was there to be found, a System of any version number. >The recommendation is to stick to 6.0.[23] unless you need the new SADE. The Sade manual does say it requires a version of Multifinder >= 6.1 but it does not say anything about requiring System 7.0b1. Milt Sagen Internet: sagen@nucthy.physics.orst.edu Department of Physics Oregon State University Corvallis, OR 97331 Tele: (503) 754-4631
enk@corona (Edan Kabatchnik) (08/05/89)
Net,
As it is, the Apple menu under Multifinder is already getting too long.
What do you think about listing all the applications under the Apple Menu and
a heirarchical item possibly named "Desk Accessories" below which can be found
all the installed Desk Accessories?
Of course, it would be nice if commonly used DAs could be placed in the
main menu as well as things like Suitcase...
Just to picture it:
&
+-----------------------+
| About WriteNow... |
| Set Aside WriteNow |
|-----------------------|
| x Finder |
| WriteNow |
| MacDraw II |
| Microsft Excel |
| Allegro Common Lisp |
| Think C +-----------------+
| Cricket Graph | Suitcase... *K |
+-----------------------+ Aarvark Games |
| Desk Accessories > | Alarm Clock |
+-----------------------+ Chooser |
| Control Panel >| HierDA does its thing here
| MockWrite |
+-----------------+
+------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
|There is a club if you would like to go. | Edan Kabatchnik |
|You could meet someone who really loves you. | MIT |
|So you go, and you stand on your own. - The Smiths |enk@wheaties.ai.mit.edu|
|And you leave on your own. | Schlumberger Tech |
|And you go home, and you cry, and you want to die. | enk@slcs.slb.com |
+------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+david.dmytryshyn@f428.n250.z1.fidonet.org (david dmytryshyn) (08/06/89)
> As it is, the Apple menu under Multifinder is already getting too > long. > What do you think about listing all the applications under the Apple Menu > and If you have Suitcase II, open it up, click the settings button, and see what the modifier key is. If it's opt go close suitcase and opt-click the apple menu (in multifinder), voila, a shortened menu with only the applications, which, in my case, are usually nudging the floor. You can also switch it such that it's this way all the time, and opt-click on the apple shows the DA's. OnCue does a nice job in a similar vein (or maybe artery) as well.. Right now, OnCue and Suitcase are indispensible little utilities... (as a murmur of System 7.0, System 7.0 is heard in the background, in a kind of inquisitive tone) David.. -- Look ma, no signature! Must be the fluoride! --- FD 2.00 * Origin: Synaptic Communications (1:250/428)
yost@esquire.UUCP (David A. Yost) (08/07/89)
In article <1989Aug5.010944.12131@sj.ate.slb.com> enk@slcs.slb.com (Edan Kabatchnik) writes: >Net, > > As it is, the Apple menu under Multifinder is already getting too long. >What do you think about listing all the applications under the Apple Menu and >a heirarchical item possibly named "Desk Accessories" below which can be found >all the installed Desk Accessories? I think the list of active apps should not be on the apple menu, but in a pulldown menu under the tiny Current App icon on the right of the menu bar (shouldn't it be on the left near the apple icon?). If you just click it, it could cycle as it does now (maybe). If you pull it down, it goes to the app you select or if you select nothing, it does nothing. --dave yost
joej@oakhill.UUCP (Joe Jelemensky) (08/08/89)
(#dmary: Expires: References: <1989Aug5.010944.12131@sj.ate.slb.com> <1342@esquire.UUCP> Sender: Reply-To: joej@sol.UUCP (Joe Jelemensky) Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx. Keywords: In article <1342@esquire.UUCP> uunet!esquire!yost (David A. Yost) writes: >I think the list of active apps should not be >on the apple menu, but in a pulldown menu >under the tiny Current App icon on the right >of the menu bar (shouldn't it be on the left >near the apple icon?). If you just click it, >it could cycle as it does now (maybe). If >you pull it down, it goes to the app you >select or if you select nothing, it does >nothing. > I like this solution.
joe@gistdev.UUCP (Joe Brownlee) (08/08/89)
In article <2276@sol.oakhill.UUCP> joej@oakhill.UUCP (Joe Jelemensky) writes: > In article <1342@esquire.UUCP> uunet!esquire!yost (David A. Yost) writes: > > I think the list of active apps should not be > > on the apple menu, but in a pulldown menu > > under the tiny Current App icon on the right > > of the menu bar [ ... ] > > I like this solution. I do, too. The Apple menu is cluttered enough as it is now, not counting the new "Set Aside" feature. Giving the applications their own menu makes good sense, and having the application small icon be the menu name is logical, though having an "Applications" menu (or something) would be quite acceptable as well. So, Apple, are you listening? Joe Brownlee | Captain, please -- not in front of the Klingons. GIST, Inc. | -- Mr. Spock, Star Trek V 1800 Woodfield Dr. | Pay attention to what I say, and you might start a trend. Savoy, IL 61874 | ARPANET: joe%gistdev@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (217) 352-1165 | UUCP : {uunet,pur-ee,convex}!gistdev!joe
mjkobb@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Michael J Kobb) (08/09/89)
In article <474@gistdev.UUCP> joe@gistdev.UUCP (Joe Brownlee) writes: >In article <2276@sol.oakhill.UUCP> joej@oakhill.UUCP (Joe Jelemensky) writes: >> In article <1342@esquire.UUCP> uunet!esquire!yost (David A. Yost) writes: >> > I think the list of active apps should not be >> > on the apple menu, but in a pulldown menu >> > under the tiny Current App icon on the right >> > of the menu bar [ ... ] >> >> I like this solution. > >I do, too. The Apple menu is cluttered enough as it is now, not counting the >new "Set Aside" feature. Giving the applications their own menu makes good >sense, and having the application small icon be the menu name is logical, >though having an "Applications" menu (or something) would be quite acceptable >as well. I think that this is a TERRIFFIC idea! The little icon would seem to be the perfect place for such a menu. How about this, then: you move the mouse onto that icon, and the application menu "falls" down (i.e. no click), and you can choose. Or, if you click the icon, it switches as before. I disagree on the idea of a seperate "Applications" menu, however. For those of us with the original Mac screen, there just isn't room if you're running something like Word 4.0 or SuperPaint. I think the icon would be better due to its size, and due to the fact that it's already there, i.e. you don't have to add anything... --Mike Standard disclaimers
lipa@polya.Stanford.EDU (William J. Lipa) (08/09/89)
> In article <1342@esquire.UUCP> uunet!esquire!yost (David A. Yost) writes: > I think the list of active apps should not be > on the apple menu, but in a pulldown menu > under the tiny Current App icon on the right > of the menu bar [ ... ] It's called ApplicationMenu, and it's on sumex in either the cdev or init directory (I forget). Bill
pkorn@utastro.UUCP (Hydro Man) (08/10/89)
In article <458@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU>, mjkobb@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Michael J Kobb) writes: > In article <474@gistdev.UUCP> joe@gistdev.UUCP (Joe Brownlee) writes: > >In article <2276@sol.oakhill.UUCP> joej@oakhill.UUCP (Joe Jelemensky) writes: > >> In article <1342@esquire.UUCP> uunet!esquire!yost (David A. Yost) writes: > >> >I think the list of active apps should not be on the apple menu, but in > >> >a pulldown menu under the tiny Current App icon on the right of the menu > >> >bar [ ... ] > >> I like this solution. > >I do, too. The Apple menu is cluttered enough as it is now, not counting the > I think that this is a TERRIFFIC idea! The little icon would seem to be the > perfect place for such a menu. How about this, then: you move the mouse > onto that icon, and the application menu "falls" down (i.e. no click), and > you can choose. Or, if > you click the icon, it switches as before. > I disagree on the idea of a seperate "Applications" menu, however. For those of > --Mike I was going to respond by mail, but since there are four of these, I've decided to post this. All of these ideas are incorporated into an INIT called MFMenu+ available for *free* via anonymous FTP at sumex under the titel MFMenu-Plus-. Additionally you can install applications and documents that you can *open* directly from this menu. You can set the menu to appear with or without a click or even anywhere on the screen when you click when the keys of your choice are pressed. The only feature missing from MFMenu+ that's in the pay version, OnCue, is that OnCue saves the applications and documents that you install before shutdown. One nice frill is that any applications for which you have defined cicns via the the Color Finder INIT will appear in color. If anyone's interested OnCue is available from IMI Software 121 14th Street Seal Beach, CA 90740 I'm not associated with IMI Software and I don't know what their policies are like; I only know this information from having obtained MFMenu+. This sure does sound like I was set up, though. . . Nah, it's not uncommon to find people thinking up software ideas concurrently. Paul Kornreich pkorn@astro.as.utexas.edu Astronomy The University of Texas at Austin -----------------------------+-*-+-*-+---------------------------------------- Princess Aura: Are you crazy? Don't your realize that Ming has never kept a vow in his life? Dale Arden: I can't help it; it's what makes us better than you. -----------------------------+-*-+-*-+---------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: Stop Reading newsnet and Get Back to Work!!
enk@corona (Edan Kabatchnik) (08/10/89)
The application menu from the application icon is a good idea; however, having the menu fall down by itself is completely inconsistent with the Macintosh User Interface. OnCue has an option to do this and everyone I know finds it completely and utterly horrible. +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ |There is a club if you would like to go. | Edan Kabatchnik | |You could meet someone who really loves you. | MIT | |So you go, and you stand on your own. - The Smiths |enk@wheaties.ai.mit.edu| |And you leave on your own. | Schlumberger Tech | |And you go home, and you cry, and you want to die. | enk@slcs.slb.com | +------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
gford@nunki.usc.edu (Gregory Ford) (08/11/89)
enk@corona (Edan Kabatchnik) writes: >The application menu from the application icon is a good idea; however, having >the menu fall down by itself is completely inconsistent with the Macintosh User >Interface. OnCue has an option to do this and everyone I know finds it >completely and utterly horrible. It may be inconsistant, but I like it, and always have it set. Yeah, once in awhile when my pointer gets a little edgy and races off to the upper right corner on its own whim and causes the menu to fall down, but I find that it's faster switching applications. I like it. ******************************************************************************* * Greg Ford GEnie: G.FORD3 * * University of Southern California Internet: gford%nunki.usc.edu@usc.edu * *******************************************************************************
mjkobb@mit-amt.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Michael J Kobb) (08/16/89)
In article <4712@merlin.usc.edu> gford@nunki.usc.edu (Gregory Ford) writes: >enk@corona (Edan Kabatchnik) writes: > >>The application menu from the application icon is a good idea; however, having >>the menu fall down by itself is completely inconsistent with the Macintosh User >>Interface. OnCue has an option to do this and everyone I know finds it >>completely and utterly horrible. > >It may be inconsistant, but I like it, and always have it set. [...] I tend to agree with Greg. I really like this feature of OnCue, and it is always on. (Not surprising, since I think it was my posting that Edan was referring to) In fact most of the people I know like the way that works. Some of us even have all the menus set "hot" so that they fall down automatically whenever the mouse is put into the menubar. It's a matter of personal preference, and that's why the folks at ICOM made it an OPTION not a permanent setting... --Mike Standard disclaimers...
haase@DSPO.GOV (Peter Haase) (09/06/89)
Does anyone know why when I am running Multifinder and I try to access the control panel all I get is a beep and it won't come up? If I go back to finder and restart everything works fine. Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Pete Haase
tld@wuphys.UUCP (Tyrone Daulton) (09/07/89)
In article <700@topgun.dspo.gov> haase@DSPO.GOV (Peter Haase) writes: >Does anyone know why when I am running Multifinder and I try to >access the control panel all I get is a beep and it won't come >up? If I go back to finder and restart everything works fine. >Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Pete Haase The problem could be that you are running Multifinder on a Macintosh that does not have sufficient memory. I have encounted many odd problems when I have used Multifinder on a Mac Plus with 1 Meg of memory. For instance, being unable to open files from an application or not being able to print. If you are using a Mac II then this obviously isn't your problem. Multifinder needs a LOT of memory to run correctly ( no wierd errors ). Tyrone Daulton Washington University
c8s-an@franny.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Lau) (09/07/89)
In article <700@topgun.dspo.gov> haase@DSPO.GOV (Peter Haase) writes: >Does anyone know why when I am running Multifinder and I try to >access the control panel all I get is a beep and it won't come >up? If I go back to finder and restart everything works fine. >Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Pete Haase That's the telltale sign of someone who is running MultiFinder without having the DA Handler in their System Folder. The best way to go about this is to re-install everything from your original System Tools disk, in order to make sure you have everything you need. --- Alex UUCP: {att,backbones}!ucbvax!franny!c8s-an INTERNET: c8s-an%franny.berkeley.edu@ucbvax.berkeley.edu FIDONET: Alex.Lau@bmug.fidonet.org (1:161/444)
long@rainbo.enet.dec.com (Richard Long) (09/07/89)
In article <702@wuphys.UUCP>, tld@wuphys.UUCP (Tyrone Daulton) writes... >In article <700@topgun.dspo.gov> haase@DSPO.GOV (Peter Haase) writes: >>Does anyone know why when I am running Multifinder and I try to >>access the control panel all I get is a beep and it won't come >>up? If I go back to finder and restart everything works fine. >>Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Pete Haase This sounds like it might be the dreaded "No DA Handler in the System Folder" problem. Under MultiFinder, desk accessories are by default run under the control of a mini-app called DA Handler. Under Finder, they are run in the invoking application's memory space, under its control. To get this behavior under MultiFinder, hold down OPTION while selecting the DA. Anyway, check that DA Handler exists in the System Folder of the boot device. RichL
Adam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) (09/10/89)
Peter Haase asks: Does anyone know why when I am running Multifinder and I try to access the control panel all I get is a beep and it won't come up? If I go back to finder and restart everything works fine. Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Pete Haase The Control Panel is a DA. To access DAs under MF, the file DA Handler must be in your System folder. It's included with the System Tools disk. Running the Installer (but NOT the Minimum Installer script) should place it in your system folder. Or, you can just drag it over and restart. Wait a minute, maybe the Minimum Installer script _does_ install it. Oh, well, can't remember offhand. --Adam-- -- Adam Frix via cmhGate - Net 226 fido<=>uucp gateway Col, OH UUCP: ...!osu-cis!n8emr!cmhgate!200!Adam.Frix INET: Adam.Frix@f200.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG
bach@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Baskaran Subramaniam) (09/20/89)
In article <700@topgun.dspo.gov> haase@DSPO.GOV (Peter Haase) writes: >Does anyone know why when I am running Multifinder and I try to >access the control panel all I get is a beep and it won't come >up? If I go back to finder and restart everything works fine. >Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Pete Haase I got the same problem on a MacII with 5Meg memory; I did have the DAHandler in the system folder. The only way I could fix this problem was by replacing the Multifinder document in the system folder by the original. For some reason the Multifinder document was corrupted! Baskaran.
clubmac@runxtsa.runx.oz.au (Australia's Largest Mac Users Group) (11/27/90)
In article <1271@iceman.jcu.oz> glmwc@iceman.jcu.oz (Matthew W Crowd) writes: >I wanted MultiTasking on my Mac II so I bought MultiFinder. >The problem is that when I try to run Soft PC a MultiFinder >requester box comes up and says `Soft PC has Unexpectedly >Quit' !. Why is it that Soft PC wont run on my system under >Multifinder. You *BOUGHT* MultiFinder!?!? - Isn't it free? It comes on my System Disks! Which versions of the System Software & SoftPC are you using? _____________________________________________________________________________ | Jason Haines, Vice-President | | Club Mac - Australia's Largest Macintosh Users Group | | G.P.O. Box 4523, Sydney, New South Wales, AUSTRALIA, 2001 | | | | INTERNET:clubmac@runxtsa.runx.oz.au UUCP: uunet!runxtsa.runx.oz.au!clubmac | | ACSNet: clubmac@runxtsa.runx.oz | | | | Phone: (02) 743-6929 Club Mac BBS: (02) 907-9198 | | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | | "If that was his face, then he has a huge cleft in his chin" - Agent 86 | |_____________________________________________________________________________|