Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU (Info-Atari16 Digest) (11/19/86)
Info-Atari16 Digest Tuesday, November 18, 1986 Volume 86 : Issue 15 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Bit blit chip. stspeech sources available! Re: STSPEECH MAC fonts/and draw reports on Atari announcements at COMDEX ?? Monochrome Screen Expansion Copyright Notice and STSPEECH TECHNICAL WORD PROCESSING C-Compiler query Re: ROM PATCH Mark Williams C UNITERM mailing Re: INFO-ATARI16 Digest V86 #01 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 86 13:13:48 PST From: <XITIUGRA@ddathd21.bitnet> Reply-To: XITIUGRA%DDATHD21.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu To: INFO-ATARI16@score.stanford.edu Received: from THDBS2#1.FB20.THD.DA.EUROPE by DDATHD21.BITNET via GNET with RJE with RCOM ; 13 Nov 86 15:42:47 Date: Thu, 13 November 1986 15:00:00 +0100 (Central European Time) From: XITIUGRA@DDATHD21.BITNET ( Klaus Guntermann, THD ) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Complete implementation of TeX 2.0 for the Atari-ST series (requires 1MB RAM, monochrome monitor and double sided disk drives; hard disk is recommended, but not a must). The features are: - TeX auto-sizes internal mem-array to available memory - size of internal memory for fonts, strings and string pool can be modified in the commandline. - handles ST's extended national character set such as accented characters/umlauts in input files (separate expansion program for source files included) - INITeX to generate your own preloaded macro packages - includes PLAIN, LaTeX and AMSTeX macro packages - hyphenation patterns for English and German language - BIBTeX processor for bibliographic references for use with LaTeX macro package - screen preview for monochrome monitor using 100dpi fonts - change of magnification in mag steps, - reduction to half width and height for general layout inspection, - random page access (absolute, relative), - menu and keyboard operation for most functions - dot matrix printer drivers are available for - NEC P5, P6, P7 and compatibles (180 dpi), - Fujitsu DPL24-D (180dpi), - Star NL10, Epson FX80 and compatibles (240 x 216dpi). - all drivers (preview and printer) are distributed with a font set in magnification steps 0, 0.5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. The costs (Germany residents add 14% sales tax): TeX including macro packages and screen preview about 400.- DM dot matrix printer driver about 200.- DM Reduced rates for complete packages and campus licenses for educational institutions available. For further information please contact Kettler EDV-Consulting P.O. Box 1345 D-8172 Lenggries Federal Republic of Germany ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 86 02:35 EDT From: netmgr%UMass.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Network Manager, Hampshire To: info-atari16@su-score.arpa Subject: Bit blit chip. Does anyone out there know anything about the Atari bit-blit chip I keep hearing about? Is it something likely to actually exist, if not now then in the future? Will it be available as a retrofit for existing STs? How much does it cost? Any answers to any of these questions would be appreciated. Thanks. Pete Shirley Please send replies directly to me as the distributed ones don't usually make it here. Thanks. ARPA: mturtle%umass.bitnet@wisc.arpa BITNET: mturtle@umass ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 86 07:51:08 GMT From: voder!kontron!stephan@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Stephan W. Wendl) Subject: stspeech sources available! To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu > > Info-Atari16 Digest Thursday, November 13, 1986 Volume 86 : Issue 14 > > This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 86 07:08:27 cst > From: moore@ncsc.ARPA (Moore) > To: info-atari16@su-score.ARPA > Subject: stspeech ??? > > Is there a way to tell stspeech to read its input from a file rather than the > keyboard? Imagine: talking 1ST_Word!!! > > If there is no objection from the original authors of "stspeech" I will post the sources to it on the net. it was written in assembly language and is about 3000 lines long. Most of the code is table information which stems probably from some professional language analysis study I received the sources by disassembling the binary with a commercial disassem- bler available for the st. If there is enough interrest and no objection from A.D.Beveridge and M.N. Day (authors) I will post it. It might take me still some while until everything is in a nice form with comments and nice under- standable labels. If there are any questions about it or the disassembler send email. Stephan W. Wendl ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 86 14:38:08 PST (Friday) From: Bicer.ES@Xerox.COM Subject: Re: STSPEECH In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 13 Nov 86 10:06:20 PST To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu STSPEECH is a great program. I think something like this really adds to the value of an ST. Just one wish though, could STSPEECH read its input from a file? Jack Bicer Bicer.ES@Xerox.COM ------------------------------ Date: 14 Nov 86 13:34:59 PST (Friday) From: BillHolland.ES@Xerox.COM Subject: MAC fonts/and draw To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Reply-To: BillHolland.ES@Xerox.COM Does anyone know of a utilities that convert "MAC" fonts and Draw pictures into something that the atari can use,maybe Degas or EZ DRAW, also where can I find fed.prg. and one last thought,also a way to convert IBM pics as well as Apple.Commodore "ClipArt",boy that would be great.Can you load more that one font with "DEGAS ELITE"?? Has anyone done a 2 or 4meg upgrade to a "ST" Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 86 21:29:09 pst From: neville@ads.ARPA (Neville Newman) To: info-atari16@su-score.arpa Subject: reports on Atari announcements at COMDEX ?? Supposedly Atari was to have unveiled a new package for the ST line and possibly announced the 2 and 4 Meg machines for the US at COMDEX this past week. Can someone who went elaborate on what Atari had to say/show there? Neil, maybe you can issue some official words now that COMDEX is over (?). The rumor that i read in Computer Currents is that the new package for the ST line will be 2" high, include built-in power supply and drive (i think), and an internal bracket for a hard disk. It would be great if such a repackaging also gave the 1040's the phantom composite video output. -neville ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ U.S. Mail: Neville D. Newman Advanced Decision Systems 201 San Antonio Circle, Suite 286 Mountain View, CA 94040-1289 Phone: (415) 941-3912 Net mail: neville@ads.arpa (internet-relative) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 86 02:00:52 EST From: maccarle@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Carl A Maccarley) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Subject: Monochrome Screen Expansion Recently posted to the net was the following: > I got my 520ST yesterday and I have some question. > My monitor is mono and size of actual screen is 9.5 in diagonally. > Is this normal or need adjustment or defect monitor? > It looks like Mac screen on big atari face. > J. Lee > ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc6!ir648 This appears to be indeed normal, as all the monochrome monitors I have seen are set up this way. I could venture a number of plausible guesses as to why Atari or Goldstar adjusts the monitors for reduced true screen area, but I would rather defer to someone closer to Atari, if they would care to comment. Fortunately, this deficiency is easily rectified with a few adjustments on the monitor chassis. For most monitors, a screen image which completely fills the CRT face is possible. The required adjustments can be quickly made by a repair person at the dealer from which the system was purchased. The repairman at my local dealer routinely makes these adjustments. If your ST is still under warranty, I would strongly suggest that approach, although I can't see how a few corrective adjustments could be construed as a violation of the terms of the warranty. Anyone buying a new monochrome ST should request that this fix be done at the time of purchase. If you feel comfortable working inside a TV set while it is on, I have attempted to describe the procedure below. No modifications whatsoever are required, and if caution and common sense are observed, you should have no trouble in adjusting the screen image for whatever size and shape you desire. If you lack experience around the high voltages found on any TV chassis, this procedure might best be done by a hardware-hacker friend or any TV repair shop. This info may be common knowledge to many hardware types out there. Also, I have only followed the net since June, so this might have been discussed previously. If either is the case, please pardon the net clutter. Please be careful. I've tried to describe the procedure as simply and completely as possible, but I do not assume any responsibility for damage to your system or personal injury. It is possible that these adjustments might have a deleterious effect on the long-term reliability of the monitor. This information comes exclusively from my own limited experience and discussions with the excellent technical people at my local dealer. It bears no official sanction or recommendation from Atari or anyone else, and may very likely meet with disapproval from Atari. REQUIRED TOOLS A plastic RF alignment tool, which has an approximately 0.10" hex end (This can be purchased at a Radio Shack or similar store in a "Color TV Alignment Tool Kit", which sells for $2.99 at Radio Shack) A long narrow-blade screwdriver, preferably with an insulated handle (plastic) A medium phillips screwdriver A pair of needle-nose pliers or long tweezers ASSUMED HARDWARE Atari SM124 Monitor. All the ones I have encountered are manufactured by Goldstar, but I claim no general knowledge of all possible suppliers. The procedure described here refers to the Goldstar units. CAUTIONARY NOTES High voltage is present on any monitor (TV) chassis in two forms: > The accelerating voltage supplied to the CRT (Cathode Ray Tube). This is on the order of 10KV, although the available current is small. Regardless, contact between it and the chassis ground is very dangerous. > 120 VAC line current. No further comment necessary. The CRT is a large fragile glass object; especially the back of it (the electron gun). Due caution required. OPENING THE MONITOR CASE Disconnect the power cord from the interlock on the back of the monitor. Disconnect the video cable from the back of the 520/1040 ST. Place the monitor face-down on a padded surface. Five self-tapping phillips-head screws secure the back of the monitor case. Remove these. Carefully lift the back off, only a few inches, because the speaker lead is still connected between the speaker on the back of the case, and the chassis. Disconnect the small speaker connector from the chassis using needle nose pliers or a long pair of tweezers. This requires care and patience, since you're holding the back of the case in your other hand. After this is disconnected, completely remove the back, feeding the video cable through the hole in the back. THE ADJUSTMENTS Place the monitor upright again, and reconnect the power and video cables. Turn the monitor and computer on. Display something with sufficient detail in it to make resetting the focus (final step) easy. A desktop full of file icons is a good choice. There are a total of eight possible adjustments available on the chassis which affect the size and orientation of the screen image on the CRT face. They are synergistic, that is, they do not each have an independent effect on the screen image. An iterative procedure is necessary to achieve the exact display dimensions you desire. In locating each of these adjustment points, I will assume that you are facing the monitor screen, so that the rear of the chassis is farthest from you, and the right side of the chassis is the side with the control knobs on it. With the back of the case removed, many hazardous electrical paths are exposed. This is the reason for the dire warning on the back of the case. As a general rule, do not allow your hand or any part of your body to directly contact anything. Just by way of orientation, the main power supply is on the left side of the chassis, and the high voltage supply on the right. The tall black object is the flyback transformer, used to generate the CRT high voltage. The thick lead extending from the top of it to the rubber boot on the top of the CRT carries several thousand volts. Stay clear of it. At the right rear of the chassis are five adjustment trimmers (three miniature trimpots and two adjustable ferrite core inductors). Their names can be found printed in small letters next to each trimmer, on the printed circuit board. I will refer to each by these names. Using the plastic alignment tool, adjust the tall "H SIZE" trimmer. Note its effect on the image width. Increase the width until the image extends across most of the screen. The square black "H LIN" adjustment requires the use of the narrow blade screwdriver. It primarily affects the linearity (evenness) of the screen image in the horizontal direction. But it also has a significant effect on the overall width of the image. Adjust it iteratively with "H SIZE". Is the image offset to the right or left of the screen center? The "H CENTER" trimpot will fix this. Adjust it using the alignment tool. Do not touch the "SUB BRIGHT" trimmer. Don't worry about the "FOCUS" trimmer yet; it is adjusted last. When the width and horizontal centering are close to desirable, move on to the vertical adjustments.... On the left of the chassis printed circuit board, just behind the main power supply and underneath the CRT, are three vertical adjustment trimmers marked "V LIN","V SIZE", and "V HOLD". We will use only "V SIZE" and "V LIN". Adjust "V SIZE" to increase the height of the image. This requires the use of the screwdriver side of the alignment tool, or the narrow screwdriver if the trimmer is too stiff to turn with the alignment tool. Any residual magnetism in the metal screwdriver will distort the image, so check the image after each "tweek", with the screw- driver far from the monitor. The previously adjusted "H LIN" also affects vertical height, and might require iterative tweeking to achieve the desired image height. I found one monitor for which it was not possible to get a full-height screen image, although some increase in screen height always seems to be possible. The "V LIN" adjustment can be used to correct any vertical nonlinearity introduced by the re-sizing. Adjust it only if necessary. Is the image now crooked, diagonally distorted, or still not up to your final desired dimensions? For these ailments, we move to the two flat gray adjustment rings on the deflection yoke, which lives on the neck of the CRT. There is a tab protruding from each one that can be used to rotate the ring. When adjusting these, be careful not to touch the four exposed terminals on the top of the deflection yoke. Rotation of these two rings should cure any remaining alignment or size deficiencies, although readjustment of previous trimmers may be necessary to achieve the ideal screen image. If, when completed, the image is crooked on the screen, it may be necessary to slightly rotate the entire deflection yoke assembly. To do this, you must first loosen the metal clamp at the rear of the yoke, which locks the yoke to the neck, using a small phillips screw- driver. Be careful, since the neck of the CRT is very fragile. Once the clamp is loose, the yoke can be rotated slightly in either direction; the image rotates with it. When the image is level, re-tighten the clamp GENTLY, just enough to prevent movement of the yoke. Finally, it may be necessary to reset the focus. This is done with the long-stem "FOCUS" trimmer at the extreme right rear of the chassis. It is not possible to get a perfect focus everywhere on the screen. The factory usually sets up the monitor for optimum focus at the center of the screen. I prefer optimum focus about half-way between the center and the edges. I find that an ideal image size for the SM124 seems to be with the image bordered approximately 0.5 to 1 cm. all around. Too close to the edges introduces edge distortion, which may or may not bother you. REINSTALLING THE BACK OF THE CASE Disconnect the power cord from the interlock and unplug the video cable from the ST. Feed the video cable through its corresponding hole in the case. Reconnecting the speaker lead requires the use of long-nose tweezers or needle-nose pliers, and some patience. Notice that the connector is polarized (one orientation only) even though it doesn't need to be for a speaker connection. It should gently snap into place on the board. Finally, reinstall the case back with the five self-tapping screws. Reconnect the power and video cables, and you're back in business. SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THE MONITOR The SM124 is particularly sensitive to surrounding magnetic fields. A digital clock placed on top of it will cause intolerable distortion of the image. The wall-mount power supply of my modem introduced an "edge-jitter" in the image, even though it was six inches from the back of the monitor. If you observe similar anomalies, check for any possible sources of magnetic fields nearby. The resolution and crispness of the SM124 sets new industry cost-perfor- mance standards for personal computers. With the monitor correctly adjusted, the display becomes the closest thing to a personal work- station for anywhere near the price. I sincerely hope that more of the excellent drawing and game programs currently available only for the color ST's will be made available in monochrome versions also, or incorporate monochrome compatibility in future versions. PARTING WORDS Any comments, corrections, observations, or flames regarding this posting are welcome. Unless they are of general interest to the net, please direct them to me personally at my ARPA address below. Happy tweeking, Carl maccarle@ed.ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 86 11:24:36 est From: Eric Terrell <terrell@ohio-state.ARPA> To: info-atari16@su-score.arpa Subject: Copyright Notice and STSPEECH I'm not a lawyer either, but doesn't the copyright notice have to be visible when the program runs? I don't think that individuals are required to disassemble the object code to find the notice. Terrell ------------------------------ Date: 16 NOV 1986 17:56:01 EST From: <MARKS-ROGER@YALE.ARPA> To: info-atari16@su-score,MARKS-ROGER@YALE.ARPA Subject: TECHNICAL WORD PROCESSING Reply-To: <MARKS-ROGER@YALE.ARPA> I'd like to use my ST for producing technical papers (equations with various mathematical symbols; text too, of course) to be submitted for publication. I'd like some help deciding how to go. I'm hesitant to learn TeX and think of it as overkill for producing work which be will typeset by someone else. What I'd like to use is some kind of technical font with a "real-time" word-processor. Something akin to the Symbol font available for the Mac is what I have in mind; you see the stuff as you type it, and the output is legible (or beautiful on a Laserwriter). First question: where can I get such a font for the ST? Second question: are fonts and word-processors independent? That is, am I looking for a word-processor to produce symbols or just a font to use with the one I have (1stWORD)? Third questions: will I be able to print on any dot-matrix printer for which I have a driver? Will I be able to get high-quality output? Is a driver available which would enable me to print on the Apple Laserwriter, accessing the Laserwriter's built-in fonts? Fourth question: could I do this stuff with Mac software if I could get my hands on a Magic Sac? Would I then also be able to run the Laserwriter? As you can see, I'm a bit mystified as to how to proceed. I am somewhat consoled that my local dealer has no idea either, except to offer me a program with which I can create fonts of my own design, a suggestion which I am as of yet loathe to even consider. Suggestions of any kind will be genuinely appreciated. Thanks. Roger Marks@yale.arpa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 86 22:10:46 PST From: <XBR1YD22@ddathd21.bitnet> Reply-To: XBR1YD22%DDATHD21.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Subject: C-Compiler query Received: from BR1.THD.DA.D.EUROPE by DDATHD21.BITNET via GNET with RJE ; 16 Nov 86 23:35:29 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 86 23:37:18 +0100 (Central European Time) From: XBR1YD22@DDATHD21.BITNET (Ralf Bayer {Herz-Baerchi}) Subject: C-Compiler query To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu X-VMS-To: X%"info-atari16@score.stanford.edu",YD22 Hi, in the very near future I'm going to buy a C-compiler. I am pretty sure I won't buy the development system, and I also heard bad things about Megamax C (I definitely will not buy a thing that limits me to 32K global variable space ...). So the question is: Mark Williams versus Lattice C. I've heard good things about both of them, and I'd like to get the assembler with the compiler (speaks for MWC), but first I have a few questions to the netters: 1) Can I use MWC with one double sided disk and about 500K RAM-disk (that would leave me about 320k of free RAM in my 1040)? 2) Which known bugs are in MWC and Lattice C? 3) What about the GEM/AES/TOS bindings? As far as I read there are some problems with the AES bindings of Lattice C. 4) How good is the debugger of MWC (compared to, say, the VAX/VMS debugger)? 5) What about the possibility to link C-subprograms with other languages like Pascal, Fortran etc. bought from other vendors (there has to be compatibility in the format of the link file and in the way subprograms are called and parameters are passed to the stack) 6) Is it true that MWC is slow? 7) How good is the documentation of both of them? OK, that's it so far. Any answers are welcome, please mail them directly to me, I will summarize to the net what I will get. Thanks all Ralf Bayer (The Care-Baer) Computing Center @ the Technical University of Darmstadt, West Germany Arpanet: xbr1yd22%ddathd21.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.EDU BITNET: xbr1yd22@ddathd21 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > REAL programmers use FORTRAN < > modern REAL programmers hack around in C < ------------------------------ Date: 17 Nov 86 18:52:13 GMT From: ihnp4!ihnet!bryan@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (b. k. delaney) Subject: Re: ROM PATCH To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu For those of you who want the ROM Patch for a 30% decrease in disk I/O time here is the correct info: old new Chip U7 Atari #C026165 0DC5 00 NC Adress 0DC7 0DC6 04 NC 0DC7 14 10 Old data 14 hex 0DC8 24 NC New data 10 hex 0DC9 0A NC Checksum of U7 (Data I/O Programmer) 29E4 (0DC7 = 14 old data) 29E0 (0DC7 = 10 new data) I used an Intel D27256 ihnet!bryan Bryan DeLaney AT&T Bell Laboratories Naperville, IL 312-979-6368 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 86 22:52:15 PST From: <KJBSF@slacvm.bitnet> Reply-To: KJBSF%SLACVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu To: INFO-ATARI16@score.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Mark Williams C Date: 17 November 86 22:51-PST From: KJBSF@SLACVM To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE Subject: Mark Williams C Date: 17 November 1986, 22:49:29 PST From: Kevin J. Burnett x3330 <KJBSF@SLACVM> To: <INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD> Subject: Mark Williams C Forwarded-from: KJBSF When I try to compile a program in MWC that uses AES/VDI routines, I always get the messages: Ld: a:\lib\libaes.a: outdated ranlib Ld: a:\lib\libvdi.a: outdated ranlib What in the world does this mean? I couldn't find the error message in the manual ANYWHERE, which is kind of strange as the rest of the manual is quite good. Please help, as this is getting quite frustrating being stuck with printf("hello, world.\n"); style programs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 86 23:57:46 PST From: <XBR1Y049@ddathd21.bitnet> Reply-To: XBR1Y049%DDATHD21.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Subject: UNITERM mailing Received: from BR1.THD.DA.D.EUROPE by DDATHD21.BITNET via GNET with RJE ; 18 Nov 86 08:49:59 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 86 08:48:56 +0100 (Central European Time) From: XBR1Y049@DDATHD21.BITNET (Stephan Leicht c/o HRZ TH Darmstadt, Germany ) Subject: UNITERM mailing To: info-atari16@Score.Stanford.edu X-VMS-To: ATARI_SIG To unburden Simon Poole from requests to resent UNITERM, I will send a copy to everyone, who drops a mail with a request to me. I tried to connect some people, who claims in the list for the UNITERM, but I didn't get through to everyone. So this way. Try to connect me. Greetings from Germany Stephan Name : Stephan Leicht Organisation : Computer Center of Technical University Darmstadt, Germany Bitnet : XBR1Y049@DDATHD21 insert all usual & unusual disclaimers here --> 18-Nov-86 11:29:45-PST,1712;000000000011 Return-Path: <steve@tecnet-clemson> Received: from tecnet-clemson.ARPA by SU-SCORE.ARPA with TCP; Tue 18 Nov 86 11:29:29-PST Received: by tecnet-clemson.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA09502; Tue, 18 Nov 86 14:28:11 est Date: Tue, 18 Nov 86 14:28:11 est From: steve@tecnet-clemson Message-Id: <8611181928.AA09502@tecnet-clemson.ARPA> To: info-atari16@su-score Subject: ST software: Where? A friend of mine recently purchased a 1040ST, and now is in desperate need of some software (A RAM disk, an archiver, and terminal software, primarily.) I am looking on his behalf for this. In my niave view of the world, I looked at the <info-atari> directory on SU-SCORE, as my netinfo file told me to do. Unless I'm really missing something here, there is a signifigant amount of software that is posted someplace else. Normally my next line of defence would be an ST-oriented BBS, but living in a computer hinterland like South Carolina requires some hefty long-distance usage for such things-- a price I'm not interested in paying unless I can be guaranteed to hit software in large concentrations. To complicate the issue, this friend of mine had no brains and did not budget for a C-compiler, making executable code, or Modula-2 source necessary. So, (As I meander to the point) Where on the arpanet can I find software? Or, which BBS can I call to get software--reasonably close to Upstate South Carolina? Please send any replies directly to me, as I do not subscribe to info-atari. - Steve Benz "The great thing about TV is that if something really important happens, anywhere in the world, you can always change the channel." -- Rev. Jim, "Taxi" ------------------------------ Posted-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 86 14:25:32 mst Date: Tue, 18 Nov 86 14:25:32 mst From: Brent J. Ostlund <nike!rutgers!husc6!ut-sally!utah-cs!uplherc!oodis01!ostlund@cad.Berkeley.EDU> To: uplherc!SCORE.STANFORD.EDU!INFO-ATARI16 Subject: Re: INFO-ATARI16 Digest V86 #01 In-Reply-To: <8611010231.AA15050@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> I just got back from COMDEX in Vegas where a nifty $60.00 box was being demonstrated that will let you plug into a composite monitor. The colors will never be the stunning ones you get on an ST but will be as good as the monitor is capable of generating or the composite signal will let through. All in all, not bad. Should be available in January. Company name? Funny you should ask since I can't find it in this 4 ft. stack of literature. I will post the company name as soon as I find it (by Dec.). Obviously I have no affiliation with this company that I can't remember. One of the folks at ATARI may be able to help you impatient ones. I know Sig Hartman previewed it. Brent Ostlund ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------