K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET.UUCP (03/11/87)
Just to clarify once more:
- I know that Atari is a small company and I appreciate the efforts
(Alex,Neil and Landon) they are making to keep us on the net informed.
But since they are small, that is one more reason to keep the number
of different product lines small (->Atari PC).
- I realize that things like 40 folder bug, GEM problems are in their
roots not ATARI's fault, on the other hand they didn't just notice
them yesterday. The 40 folder problems was the subject of longer
debates nearly a year ago, and just as old are Atari's promises of
fixing the problem. (This was just for the newcomers, so that they
get the proper perspective :-)
- I don't think that Atari will drop the ST line tomorrow, but if
read the responses of Neil and Alex carefully, you will notice
that two of my major complaints have been confirmed:
- ST/020 earliest beginning 88 (this means in the real world
christmas 88)
- Blitter upgrades late this year
- Date for the MS-DOS emulator...who knows...
- I don't think Amigas are that wonderful, typically for use in a
office by a none Hacker, they are absolutly hopeless (not much
better than raw MS-DOS). On the other hand you can't bomb the
machine with a '_'!
Simon
K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNEThatcher@INGRES.BERKELEY.EDU.UUCP (03/11/87)
In article <8703110110.AA15155@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Simon says:
- I don't think Amigas are that wonderful, typically for use in a
office by a non Hacker, they are absolutly hopeless (not much
better than raw MS-DOS). On the other hand you can't bomb the
machine with a '_'!
Strangely enough, you won't find any Amiga owners to agree with this
criticism (especially since it is unfounded). Why invite another religious
war? Personally, I think we should all stick together. Yep, it's the
fans of the ST, the Amiga, and the MacIntosh, all up against the Big
Blue Menace. Imagine all the people out there who still think that only
the IBM PC is a "real" machine. Flame them!
Dougleavens@atari.UUCP (03/11/87)
> read the responses of Neil and Alex carefully, you will notice > that two of my major complaints have been confirmed: > - ST/020 earliest beginning 88 (this means in the real world > christmas 88) Well, that's not a fair comment. At this point _we_ don't know when it will be ready (if we did, we'd tell you), so how can you make a definitive statement about when a machine would be ready? (And didn't you guys get the ST before we here in the US did? mumble, mumble, mumble... <grin>). > - Blitter upgrades late this year Again, this may or may not turn out to be the case. As _soon_ as we have them, we'll get them out the door--and right now, our ability to get them out the door rests with a third party over whom we have no control. > - Date for the MS-DOS emulator...who knows... We're working on it, I promise! > > - I don't think Amigas are that wonderful, typically for use in a > office by a none Hacker, they are absolutly hopeless (not much > better than raw MS-DOS). On the other hand you can't bomb the > machine with a '_'! True--but I personally find that a fairly minor bug. And on the other hand, the Amiga's the only machine I know that you can crash by following the boot disc directions exactly! (I've done this a _bunch_... <grin>) --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."
hatcher@INGRES.BERKELEY.EDU.UUCP (03/12/87)
In article <642@atari.UUCP> leavens@atari.UUCP (Alex Leavens) writes: > True--but I personally find that a fairly minor bug. And on the other hand, >the Amiga's the only machine I know that you can crash by following the >boot disc directions exactly! (I've done this a _bunch_... <grin>) It's bad karma to start religious wars. Also, the ST is a good enough machine that it hurts more than helps for people to take cheap shots like this rather than simply pointing out what you like about the ST. It sounds petty. But what are you talking about? I've never heard of anything like this. Did you find a copy of the boot directions with a dumb typo or something? Doug
leavens@atari.UUCP (03/14/87)
in article <8703121153.AA09496@ingres.Berkeley.EDU>, hatcher@INGRES.BERKELEY.EDU (Doug Merritt) says: > > It's bad karma to start religious wars. Also, the ST is a good enough > machine that it hurts more than helps for people to take cheap shots like > this rather than simply pointing out what you like about the ST. It sounds > petty. > But what are you talking about? I've never heard of anything like > this. Did you find a copy of the boot directions with a dumb typo > or something? Well, I'm not trying to start a religious war at all--just pointing out that there are problems with every machine. Anyway, here's the story. I was at Jerry Pournelle's house, and he had a piece of Amiga software that he wanted to show me, told me it looked really great. "Fine", says I, "let's see it.". Take out disc, and follow instructions on disc as to how to boot. No go. "Guru mediation error". Ok, fine. Get out the manual. Try _those_ booting instructions. (THey turn out to be slightly different). Again, no go. Ok, let's just try a standard Amiga boot, and then... Well, after about 20 minutes of this, we finally gave up. the silly thing simply would _not_ boot. So we left it alone with the disc in the drive, and went over to the ST. About 20 minutes after _that_, I happened to look back at the Amiga, and--you guessed it--the program had booted itself. I've had a couple more experiences like this, and they lead me to believe that it must be me--the Amiga and I just don't get along... <grin> --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."