cabbie@chinet.UUCP (03/11/87)
I dove into a Atari hard drive last night and started with my usual play tactics. It seems that the Adaptek controller will support 2 hard disk drives. The current software does not want to see the second drive. (No, I didn't really expect it to.) (:>) Is there a patch that I can do to the handler to enable the second drive? Neil?? Alex?? It would be neat to add a second drive and power supply and have more storage! -- ******************************************************************************* Any opinions expressed above are my own. Rich Andrews They can be yours too. Please send $19.95 to.....ihnp4!chinet!cabbie *******************************************************************************
turner@imagen.UUCP (03/13/87)
in article <901@chinet.UUCP>, cabbie@chinet.UUCP (Richard Andrews) says:
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+ I dove into a Atari hard drive last night and started with my usual play
+ tactics. It seems that the Adaptek controller will support 2 hard disk
+ drives. The current software does not want to see the second drive.
+ (No, I didn't really expect it to.) (:>) Is there a patch that I can do
+ to the handler to enable the second drive? Neil?? Alex?? It would be neat
+ to add a second drive and power supply and have more storage!
+
+
+ --
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i have a BMS (Berekely MicroSystems) driver and it supports 2 drives
(in my case a 10 and a 20Mbyte). I believe the driver will run
without their board. Their number is:
(415) 530-3436
there is an extensive article on the BMS system in the current copy
of STapplications
I am in no way associated etc......
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UUCP: ...{decvax,ucbvax}!decwrl!imagen!turner AT&T: (408) 986-9400leavens@atari.UUCP (03/14/87)
in article <901@chinet.UUCP>, cabbie@chinet.UUCP (Richard Andrews) says: > > > I dove into a Atari hard drive last night and started with my usual play > tactics. It seems that the Adaptek controller will support 2 hard disk > drives. The current software does not want to see the second drive. > (No, I didn't really expect it to.) (:>) Is there a patch that I can do > to the handler to enable the second drive? Neil?? Alex?? It would be neat > to add a second drive and power supply and have more storage! > If you've got a production drive, I think there's a switch on the Atari controller board that allows you to set what logical unit the drive is. Just change that, and... --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."
dyer@atari.UUCP (03/14/87)
> in article <901@chinet.UUCP>, cabbie@chinet.UUCP (Richard Andrews) says: >> I dove into a Atari hard drive last night and started with my usual play >> tactics. It seems that the Adaptek controller will support 2 hard disk >> drives. The current software does not want to see the second drive. >> (No, I didn't really expect it to.) (:>) Is there a patch that I can do >> to the handler to enable the second drive? Neil?? Alex?? It would be neat >> to add a second drive and power supply and have more storage! >> > If you've got a production drive, I think there's a switch on the > Atari controller board that allows you to set what logical unit the > drive is. Just change that, and... Sorry, Alex --- that doesn't help. ->ooof!<- [I just kicked his shins:] The Adaptec controller will indeed support more than one drive. The current AHDI.PRG hard disk driver does not support more than one drive per controller. And naturally, Atari does not encourage or condone such modifications to the hardware.... -- -Landon Dyer, Atari Corp. {sun,lll-lcc,imagen}!atari!dyer The views expressed here do not not necessarily reflect those of Atari Corp. Segments are for worms.
turner@imagen.UUCP (03/14/87)
in article <657@atari.UUCP>, leavens@atari.UUCP (Alex Leavens) says:
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+ in article <901@chinet.UUCP>, cabbie@chinet.UUCP (Richard Andrews) says:
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++
++ I dove into a Atari hard drive last night and started with my usual play
++ tactics. It seems that the Adaptek controller will support 2 hard disk
++ drives. The current software does not want to see the second drive.
++ (No, I didn't really expect it to.) (:>) Is there a patch that I can do
++ to the handler to enable the second drive? Neil?? Alex?? It would be neat
++ to add a second drive and power supply and have more storage!
++
+ If you've got a production drive, I think there's a switch on the
+ Atari controller board that allows you to set what logical unit the
+ drive is. Just change that, and...
it bloody well won't work. listen if you are going to speak as an
atari representive you have a responsiblity to know what you're
talking about....
atari does not do drive selection properly, instead the drive number
is stored as the high order bit of each SCSI command, hence a
special driver is needed before you can use two drives, not to
mention the fact that the formatter etc. doesn't know about a second
drive. If you want to see how it's done I suggest the current copy
of STapplications, there's a good article by Tom Love on a two drive
system.
+
+ --alex @ Atari
+
+ BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006
+
+ "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."
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UUCP: ...{decvax,ucbvax}!decwrl!imagen!turner AT&T: (408) 986-9400chapman@fornax.UUCP (03/15/87)
> > I dove into a Atari hard drive last night and started with my usual play > tactics. It seems that the Adaptek controller will support 2 hard disk > drives. The current software does not want to see the second drive. > (No, I didn't really expect it to.) (:>) Is there a patch that I can do > to the handler to enable the second drive? Neil?? Alex?? It would be neat > to add a second drive and power supply and have more storage! > The Berkeley Microsystems (Beckemeyer) board set and software supports two drives. Since they use the same interface and scsi controller as Atari I would guess that their driver would let you have two drives on your Atari system. > -- *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE ***
dclemans@mntgfx.MENTOR.COM (Dave Clemans) (03/16/87)
The latest hard disk driver from Supra (version 2.61) fully supports both multiple physical drives and will let you write a boot sector out to the drive (to drive 0, if you have multiple drives). This will even let you run your system without floppies if you desire. What they do is to put a file "supboot.sys" (marked hidden so that it doesn't show up in normal directory listings) onto the root of drive C. Supboot.sys is the full driver; the simple driver in the boot sector just knows how to load that file. To get around the previously mentioned problems with booting directly from a hard disk (i.e., what to do if there are broken auto folder programs or broken desk accessories, etc.) the Supra boot sector checks for the control, shift and alternate keys to see if they all are down; if so, it doesn't try to boot from the hard disk, which lets you try to fix the situation using floppies. dgc
leavens@atari.UUCP (03/17/87)
>>> I dove into a Atari hard drive last night and started with my usual play >>> tactics. It seems that the Adaptek controller will support 2 hard disk >>> drives. The current software does not want to see the second drive. >>> (No, I didn't really expect it to.) (:>) Is there a patch that I can do >>> to the handler to enable the second drive? Neil?? Alex?? It would be neat >>> to add a second drive and power supply and have more storage! >>> >> If you've got a production drive, I think there's a switch on the >> Atari controller board that allows you to set what logical unit the >> drive is. Just change that, and... > > Sorry, Alex --- that doesn't help. ->ooof!<- [I just kicked his shins:] > > The Adaptec controller will indeed support more than one drive. > The current AHDI.PRG hard disk driver does not support more than > one drive per controller. And naturally, Atari does not > encourage or condone such modifications to the hardware.... > Yep, I goofed. What I was trying to say is that you can certainly use more than one SH204 on your system, and that you have to do a little bit of switch flipping to do so. Ow! My shin's still hurting from the _last_ time you kicked me... <grin> --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all."
john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) (03/17/87)
In article <659@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes: > >The Adaptec controller will indeed support more than one drive. >The current AHDI.PRG hard disk driver does not support more than >one drive per controller. And naturally, Atari does not >encourage or condone such modifications to the hardware.... > Well, I suppose that's suppost to be helpful?? People are asking serious questions about how to expand their storage and all you can say is "Atari doesn't encourage it...."? --- John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP) Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john
weber_w@apollo.uucp (Walt Weber) (03/17/87)
In article <659@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes: >> in article <901@chinet.UUCP>, cabbie@chinet.UUCP (Richard Andrews) says: >>> ............................................Is there a patch that I can do >>> to the handler to enable the second drive? .............................. >>> >The Adaptec controller will indeed support more than one drive. >The current AHDI.PRG hard disk driver does not support more than >one drive per controller. The Berkley MicroSystems hard disk driver supports the capability. I am presently running two Maxtor 1065's off of an Adaptec, and it works quite nicely, thank you. That gives my li'l ol' 520 8 partitions of approx. 14Mb each. I'm now backing up from one hard drive to the other, and my floppies are FINALLY getting a chance to rest. The backup procedure is not straightforward, however (Carefully straddling the 40-folder limit with your source foot and destination ...... :-). In addition, when you deal with BMS, you also get a clock on the controller, which eliminates all problems with cartridge-mounted clocks or piggybacked KBD chips, etc. -- Walt Weber PHONE: (617) 256-6600 x7004 Apollo Computer GENIE: W.WEBER Chelmsford, Mass. COMPUSERVE: 76515,2423
turner@imagen.UUCP (D'arc Angel) (03/18/87)
in article <685@viper.UUCP>, john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) says: +--------------------------------------------------------- + + In article <659@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes: + > + >one drive per controller. And naturally, Atari does not + >encourage or condone such modifications to the hardware.... + > + + Well, I suppose that's suppost to be helpful?? + + People are asking serious questions about how to expand their storage + and all you can say is "Atari doesn't encourage it...."? one more time... this time with your brain engaged. I have never seen, nor do i think that i will ever see, a company that encourages users to open up their hardware and hack away at it. The legal ramifications are that if the company in any way, shape, or form condones such behavior then they are liable for any damage done by the user. Can you say "tongue in cheek" ? Landon can... i think i'm getting crotchity in my old age -- --------------- C'est la vie, C'est la guerre, C'est la pomme de terre Mail: Imagen Corp. 2650 San Tomas Expressway Santa Clara, CA 95052-8101 UUCP: ...{decvax,ucbvax}!decwrl!imagen!turner AT&T: (408) 986-9400
john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) (03/18/87)
In article <1000@imagen.UUCP> turner@imagen.UUCP (D'arc Angel) writes: >in article <685@viper.UUCP>, john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) says: >+ In article <659@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes: >+ >one drive per controller. And naturally, Atari does not >+ >encourage or condone such modifications to the hardware.... >+ >+ Well, I suppose that's suppost to be helpful?? >+ >+ People are asking serious questions about how to expand their storage >+ and all you can say is "Atari doesn't encourage it...."? > >............ I have never >seen, nor do i think that i will ever see, a company that encourages >users to open up their hardware and hack away at it. The legal >ramifications are that if the company in any way, shape, or form >condones such behavior then they are liable for any damage done by >the user. The user who asked the original question was trying to get some advice on how to get two or more H-disks up and running on a single ST. He did ask about the possibility of hacking-onto an existing Atari or Supra (don't remember which) drive, but that wasn't the main point... He needs more disk space. All Landon's response said was (essentialy) "Atari isn't about to encourage that kind of thing...". I think my response to Landon chiding him for not making any -constructive- suggestions was proper under the circumstances... I think you're over reacting to my message which essentialy says: "Come on, you can do better than that." I'm sure ways exist to get multiple hard drives up on an ST. I'm equaly sure that such setups are not foreign to Landon/Neil or any of the other kind Atari people who frequent this group. I have no problems with the "standard company disclaimer against unsupported HW mods". I think he could have gone on after giving it to tell the poor guy something that would help instead of just leaving him high and dry... --- John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP) Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john
neil@atari.UUCP (Neil Harris) (03/19/87)
In article <975@imagen.UUCP>, turner@imagen.UUCP (D'arc Angel) writes: > it bloody well won't work. listen if you are going to speak as an > atari representive you have a responsiblity to know what you're > talking about.... If that is a qualification for the position, I guess I'd better resign. :-) In all seriousness, it looks to me like Alex read the question too fast, thinking that the question had to do with the internal dip switches on an Atari hard disk. Landon not only answered the question properly, but administered the prescribed kick in the shins. -- --->Neil Harris, Director of Marketing Communications, Atari Corporation UUCP: ...{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil BIX: neilharris / CIS: 70007,1135 / Delphi: NEILHARRIS / GENIE: NHARRIS WELL: neil / Atari Corp. BBS 408-745-5308 / Usually the OFFICIAL Atari opinion
neil@atari.UUCP (Neil Harris) (03/19/87)
In article <1000@imagen.UUCP>, turner@imagen.UUCP (D'arc Angel) writes: > i think i'm getting crotchity in my old age ^^^^^^^^^ that should be crotchety. Hah! Caught YOU making a mistake this time. So there. Really James, lighten up. -- --->Neil Harris, Director of Marketing Communications, Atari Corporation UUCP: ...{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil BIX: neilharris / CIS: 70007,1135 / Delphi: NEILHARRIS / GENIE: NHARRIS WELL: neil / Atari Corp. BBS 408-745-5308 / Usually the OFFICIAL Atari opinion
leavens@atari.UUCP (03/20/87)
in article <694@viper.UUCP>, john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) says: > > In article <1000@imagen.UUCP> turner@imagen.UUCP (D'arc Angel) writes: > >in article <685@viper.UUCP>, john@viper.UUCP (John Stanley) says: > >+ In article <659@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes: > >+ >one drive per controller. And naturally, Atari does not > >+ >encourage or condone such modifications to the hardware.... > >+ > >+ Well, I suppose that's suppost to be helpful?? > >+ > >+ People are asking serious questions about how to expand their storage > >+ and all you can say is "Atari doesn't encourage it...."? > >............ I have never > >seen, nor do i think that i will ever see, a company that encourages > >ramifications are that if the company in any way, shape, or form > >condones such behavior then they are liable for any damage done by > >the user. > The user who asked the original question was trying to get some advice > on how to get two or more H-disks up and running on a single ST. He did > ask about the possibility of hacking-onto an existing Atari or Supra > (don't remember which) drive, but that wasn't the main point... He > needs more disk space. You can, indeed, hook up more than one SH204 to an Atari ST, but it's a pain. You'll have to make your own hydra headed cable (two hard drive cables into one), that's the hard part. The easy part is opening up your second drive and flipping the drive unit select switch that's on the board right next to the DMA plug. Flip the switch to indicate that it's drive 1, and not drive 0. Then hook up both drives, and if you've wired your cable right, you're done. A caveat, however--if you have an early ST, the DMA chip in the ST may have trouble driving the loads of two SH204's. This is why we don't particularly recommend this option. -- --alex @ Atari {sun,lll-lcc,imagen}!atari!dyer BIX: alexl. GEnie:ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp:(408)-745-2006 "Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers."
john@viper.UUCP (03/21/87)
In article <679@atari.UUCP> leavens@atari.UUCP (Alex Leavens) writes: > > You can, indeed, hook up more than one SH204 to an Atari ST, but it's a >pain. You'll have to make your own hydra headed cable (two hard drive >cables into one), that's the hard part. The easy part is opening up your >second drive and flipping the drive unit select switch that's on the >board right next to the DMA plug. Flip the switch to indicate that >it's drive 1, and not drive 0. Then hook up both drives, and if you've >wired your cable right, you're done. > > A caveat, however--if you have an early ST, the DMA chip in the ST may >have trouble driving the loads of two SH204's. This is why we don't >particularly recommend this option. > Bravo! This is exactly the kind of answer I appreceate! Thank you Alex. One minor point... What has to be done (if anything) to the HD driver on the ST (or the other utilities for that matter) to get them to realize there's additional disk space out there? Also, is it possible to do this with an Atari HD and a Supra and then which HD driver would one use? (Not holding my breath on this one, I mainly curious about just how compatable the Supra and Atari hard disks are... I own a Supra and it would be nice if I wanted to expand if I could buy an Atari HD if I wanted to...) >"Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers." (chuckle!) --- John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP) Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john