G.ABRAMS@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU (Info-Atari Moderator) (09/30/87)
From time to time I am reminded by a message asking the operation
of the lists that it is necessary to periodically send out the
welcome message. It contains valuable information about the location
of information.
I would appreciate receiving updates to this information (sent to
abrams@mitre.arpa) and offers to help fix whatever is broken. At
present I have some doubts about certain items; I hope I am wrong.
Marshall Abrams
1. Welcome
_ _______
Welcome to info-atari.
2. Sending Messages
_ _______ ________
You may send messages to all "subscribers" by address-
ing it to
info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
and/or
info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Administrative messages should be sent to
info-atari{8,16}-request.
Please do NOT send general messages to this address. Your
moderators get enough mail as it is!
3. Ground Rules
_ ______ _____
All messages should be in good taste. Commercial mes-
sages and advertisements are not permitted. When answering a
question, please consider carefully whether the answer
should go to the whole list, or just to the person who asked
the question.
The following ground rules should make the use of this
(or of any other) mailing list much easier:
* never send a message that a totally irrelevant to
the mailing list's purpose to a mailing list. This
especially includes any expressions of irritation at
another list member.
* never forward a message that is totally irrelevant
to the mailing list's purpose to a mailing list.
* when replying to a message on a mailing list, reply
only to the sender of the message unless the reply
is of interest to the entire mailing list.
* avoid inserting the message being replied to in a
reply, especially in a message going to a mailing
list. The context of the reply should be clear from
*your* reply and from various mailer functionalities
such as Message-ID.
* when replying to an earlier reply that violates the
previous rule, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT make matters worse
by adding your own violation.
4. LISTSERV
_ ________
LISTSERV provides a number of features which you can
access by sending mail (note) to LISTSERV. Only the barest
minimum are described herein. On Bitnet messages should be
sent to your nearest LISTSERV (the one from which you
receive the info-atari digests). (If your address is not on
Bitnet, an address for file servers is given below.) All
mail sent to LISTSERV contains command lines. LISTSERV will
respond by return mail. No subject is necessary in such
mail. For more information send the command
INFO
4.1. List Names
_ _ ____ _____
The list_name for 16-bit Ataris is INFO-A16. The
list_name for 8-bit Ataris is INFO-A8. These list names are
used by Bitnet addressees for subscribing and unsubscribing
and by everyone for obtaining back copies of news digests.
The list_names for programs stored in the archives are
PROG-A16 and PROG-A8.
4.2. (Un)Subscribing
_ _ __ ___________
If you are on Bitnet you may add or remove yourself
from the distribution list. It would greatly convenience
the moderators if you would do so when you no longer wish to
receive digests.
The command to join the list is
SUBSCRIBE list_name User_name
The command to remove yourself from the list is
UNSUBSCRIBE list_name
Note that the list was established with all user_names
unknown. To enter your name, send a SUBSCRIBE command.
It would be most convenient if users took care of their
own subscribing and unsubscribing, but messages to INFO-
ATARI-REQUEST{8,16}@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU will still be
accepted.
4.3. File Server (Archives)
_ _ ____ ______ ________
The following service is being installed beginning
February 1987; we will announce when everything is in place
and "known" to be working.
All messages are in the archives. In addition, some
contributed programs are also there. You can obtain copies
of files from LISTSERV by sending a message in the specified
format.
If you are on ARPAnet (or gatewayed to it), your mail
should be addressed to
LISTSERV%CANADA01.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
To obtain a list of files in the file server, the com-
mand is
INDEX list_name
The command to obtain a specific file is
GET list_name file_name
for example,
GET INFO-A16 87-00076
If you want to learn more, send the message
HELP
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1. Welcome
_ _______
Welcome to info-atari.
2. Sending Messages
_ _______ ________
You may send messages to all "subscribers" by address-
ing it to
info-atari8@score.stanford.edu
and/or
info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Administrative messages should be sent to
info-atari{8,16}-request.
Please do NOT send general messages to this address. Your
moderators get enough mail as it is!
3. Ground Rules
_ ______ _____
All messages should be in good taste. Commercial mes-
sages and advertisements are not permitted. When answering a
question, please consider carefully whether the answer
should go to the whole list, or just to the person who asked
the question.
The following ground rules should make the use of this
(or of any other) mailing list much easier:
* never send a message that a totally irrelevant to
the mailing list's purpose to a mailing list. This
especially includes any expressions of irritation at
another list member.
* never forward a message that is totally irrelevant
to the mailing list's purpose to a mailing list.
* when replying to a message on a mailing list, reply
only to the sender of the message unless the reply
is of interest to the entire mailing list.
* avoid inserting the message being replied to in a
reply, especially in a message going to a mailing
list. The context of the reply should be clear from
*your* reply and from various mailer functionalities
such as Message-ID.
* when replying to an earlier reply that violates the
previous rule, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT make matters worse
by adding your own violation.
4. Archives
_ ________
Archives are kept in several places in formats avail-
able to everyone. As described below, if you are on
ARPANET/DDN you will probably find it more convenient to
retrieve files from the archive on radc-softvax.arpa using
FTP. If you are not on ARPANET/DDN, or are unable to use
FTP, you will be able to retrieve files from archives dis-
tributed over several Bitnet hosts by sending mail (notes)
to a program called LISTSERV.
4.1. Archives on radc-softvax.arpa
_ _ ________ __ ____ _______ ____
Files from radc-softvax.arpa are available by FTP. FTP
will work only for hosts directly connected to ARPANET/DDN.
Please obtain local documentation and advice for the FTP
user programming running on your host. There are two direc-
tories under the anonymous account. One for atari8 and one
for atari16.
FTP to radc-softvax using login:guest and
password:guest. To get the current list of available atari16
files do a 'get atari16/files.doc'. All of the atari16 files
are stored in the atari16 subdirectory. If you need any
other information, contact Marc Poulin.
The archive is maintained by Rodney Peck (Peck@radc-
multics.arpa) and Marc Poulin (Poulin@radc-multics.arpa or
Archives@radc-softvax.arpa).
4.2. LISTSERV
_ _ ________
LISTSERV provides access to files for everyone who can
send mail, independent of their location. Note, however,
that intermediate notes have been known to refuse to handle
long messages or have damaged them in transit. LISTSERV
provides a number of features which you can access by send-
ing mail (note) to LISTSERV. Only the barest minimum are
described herein. On Bitnet messages should be sent to your
nearest LISTSERV (the one from which you receive the info-
atari digests). (If your address is not on Bitnet, an
address for file servers is given below.) All mail sent to
LISTSERV contains command lines. LISTSERV will respond by
return mail. No subject is necessary in such mail. For
more information send the command
INFO
4.2.1. List Names
_ _ _ ____ _____
The list_name for 16-bit Ataris is INFO-A16. The
list_name for 8-bit Ataris is INFO-A8. These list names are
used by Bitnet addressees for subscribing and unsubscribing
and by everyone for obtaining back copies of news digests.
The list_names for programs stored in the archives are
PROG-A16 and PROG-A8.
4.2.2. (Un)Subscribing
_ _ _ __ ___________
If you are on Bitnet you may add or remove yourself
from the distribution list. It would greatly convenience
the moderators if you would do so when you no longer wish to
receive digests.
The command to join the list is
SUBSCRIBE list_name User_name
The command to remove yourself from the list is
UNSUBSCRIBE list_name
It would be most convenient if users took care of their
own subscribing and unsubscribing, but messages to INFO-
ATARI-REQUEST{8,16}@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU will still be
accepted.
4.2.3. Accessing Program & Digest Archives
_ _ _ _________ _______ ______ ________
All digests are in the archives. There is a separate
program library. You can obtain copies of files from LIST-
SERV by sending a message in the specified format.
If you are on ARPAnet (or gatewayed to it), your mail
concernin 16-bit Atari information should be addressed to
LISTSERV%CANADA01.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
Mail concernin 8-bit Atari information should be addressed
to
LISTSERV%TCSVM.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
To obtain a list of files in the file server, the com-
mand is
INDEX list_name
The command to obtain a specific file is
GET list_name file_name
for example,
GET INFO-A16 87-00076
If you want to learn more, send the message
HELP
4.2.4. LISTSERV Moderators
_ _ _ ________ __________
The person to contact if you are having problems
(un)subscribing is Harry Williams (harry@marist.bitnet).
The moderator of the 16-bit digest archives is Peter
Jasper-Fayer (sofpjf@uoguelph.bitnet). The moderator of the
16-bit program archives is Richard Werezak
(carson@mcmaster.bitnet). The moderator of the 8-bit
archives is John Voigt (sysbjav@tcsvm.bitnet). The modera-
tor of the 8-bit program archives is Arnold de Leon
(adeleon@hmcvax.bitnet).
4.2.5. Information Concerning 16-bit Archive Organization
_ _ _ ___________ __________ __ ___ _______ ____________
The digests are numbered sequentially as they come in.
Sometimes the files arrive here out of order, or with miss-
ing ones, or with extra ones or with mail from BITNET users
requesting information. Often the moderator has to logon to
LISTSERV and re-name the files according to the "Subject:"
line within it. Those "Subject:" lines are what end up in
the indexes (in both "-A16" lists)
The program files are largely extracts from the digests
(INFO-A16). As far as possible, they are numbered the same
as the digests they came from. Other programs were inserted
somewhere in the list. The numbers of these "inserted"
files were selected so that they would appear in the index
at about the correct CHRONOLOGICAL sequence. If no programs
were included in the digests, and nocontributions were
received, then those spaces in the index numbers were left
blank.
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