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Info-Atari16 Digest Wednesday, October 21, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 376
This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield
Today's Topics:
10meg floppy drives
Desperately seeking Atari networking
RAM upgrade question
News tidbits
Re: Publishing Partner / WordUp / BIGformat
Re: Terminal emulation on ST (questions)
aim
Re: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #369
Re: Q. Two HD20 on 1040ST?
Re: What's wrong with OSS?
Replacing the Desktop (Programming Question)
Cartridge Port R/W
Re: Re: Re: Searching for a Prolog
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 87 09:54:39 EDT
From: pyrdc!gmu90x!wmcs!csrobe@uunet.UU.NET (Chip Roberson)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: 10meg floppy drives
i found this capture kicking around deep in the bowels of my hard disk.
i had read some discussion about these big drives on here before and
thought maybe this might have more information. i don't think there are
any problems with me posting this to the net (i hope).
---snip---snip---snip---
#: 24357 S6/Hardware specific
16-Sep-87 10:27:18
Sb: #24354-#SH204 auto-boot prob
Fm: Supra Corp 76004,565
To: SYSOP*Charles McGuinness 76701,11 (X)
hehehe, we have been promising a backup system since day 1, but due to various
technical problems, we have never been able to get the 40M tape system to work.
Well now Konica has come to our rescue, they have a 10M 5.25 SCSI floppy drive.
They use standard 5.25 floppies, but they have written some sync bytes to it.
We will sell the floppy for 19.95, Konica is getting the major floppy
manufacture to sell the floppy, so there will not be a problem there. There are
manufactures who are going to sell the unit to the Mac and IBM market, so we
should be able to see some price dropping over time. At introduction, the unit
is very competivly priced with tape units. We will sell 2 versions, a SCSI
version and a DMA version. The DMA version will go for 899, the SCSI is a
little cheaper. The drive is very fast, it has the speed performance of a 10M
4:1 HD. The floppy drive can also read, but not write, MS-DOS 360K and 1.2M
floppies. We will start receiving production units mid-October.
[Mark]
#: 24358 S6/Hardware specific
16-Sep-87 11:48:59
Sb: #24357-#SH204 auto-boot prob
Fm: SYSOP*Charles McGuinness 76701,11
To: Supra Corp 76004,565 (X)
I take it the device can also be used as a regular GEMDOS directoried device??
How little is a little cheaper??
#: 24369 S6/Hardware specific
16-Sep-87 22:42:28
Sb: #24358-SH204 auto-boot prob
Fm: Supra Corp 76004,565
To: SYSOP*Charles McGuinness 76701,11 (X)
Correct, you would be able to use it as a GEMDOS device, only limitation being
1 partition. (The headaches for multiple partition, removeable media, ouch.)
The SCSI version will be 50-100 cheaper, it has not be set yet.
[Mark]
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and that's it!
-chip
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Date: 14 Oct 87 15:53:05 GMT
From: mcvax!cernvax!jmg@uunet.uu.net (jmg)
Subject: Desperately seeking Atari networking
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Now that Mega STs are (more or less) here, has anyone any knowledge of
networking possibilities for them?
The ideal would be Ethernet (or Starlan?) plus tcp/ip.
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Date: 18 Oct 87 21:15:56 GMT
From: zen!dorothy.Berkeley.EDU!c9c-eh@cad.Berkeley.EDU (Warner Young (WHY))
Subject: RAM upgrade question
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Can someone tell me what types of 1 Mbit chips I need to upgrade my
520? I'm planning to get the plug-in board and buy the chips myself, but
catalogs I see usually only list parts numbers, and I want to be sure I get
the right kind.
Thanks!
Warner
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Date: 18 Oct 87 21:13:48 GMT
From: zen!dorothy.Berkeley.EDU!c9c-eh@cad.Berkeley.EDU (Warner Young (WHY))
Subject: News tidbits
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Okay. This is my second-and-a-half review, sort of. (Just wait,
it gets better!) Really, this is a collection of news items and rumors that
I've uncovered, pursued, or just plain made up (just kidding).
First, I saw a working version of Word Perfect 4.1 for the ST.
It was on a color monitor; I didn't have a chance to see it run in mono. All
I've got to say about it is, after having used it on an IBM PC AT, I think
the ST version is S..L..O..W.....! Also, the GEM interface seems more like
it was added to facilitate their own interface. I realize that this is so
users familiar with it can use it right off, and so that a use can avoid
having to use the mouse at all, but it really slows down the program. Plus,
they chose to use some rather unusual colors; to reflect a time-consuming
operation (I'm assuming that's what it was: the disk started going and
never stopped until the salesman turned off the computer), they just changed
the screen colors. Aside from that, I guess, if you're a real die-hard
WP fan, you'll probably like it. If not, Word Writer ST, from what I hear,
and what I've seen, would be a better buy. Oh yeah, WP comes with 7 disks.
Blitter! ROMs! According to the salesman at this same store, the
blitter upgrade will be a motherboard swap for 520 owners. It may be a
routine chip attachment for 1040s, but 520s HAVE to have the motherboard
exchanged. Who knows? Maybe this is true. Also, according to one guy,
it's supposed to be in January; the other one said February.
In a magazine I picked up, called ST X-Press, they printed a copy
of Atari's manual for programming the blitter. According to this, the
blitter is capable of the following:
Area seed fill
Rotation using recursive division (huh?)
Slice and smear magnification
Text effects (outlining, bold, etc.)
Text scrolling
Window updating (no, really?)
I can only swear that this was what I read. I have no idea if it's true.
I finally have pc-Ditto running, and it's really nice to see things
like Word Perfect 4.2 running. It is just amazing what you can do with an
ST, slowing it down to 4.7 Mhz PC speed. But, really, I am having fun with
it, and will report more on it when I have more to report.
I saw two more CAD packages in the stores: FirstCAD from Generic
Software, and Athena II, from I don't remember. Both are supposed to be
two dimensional CAD programs, and Athena II is supposed to support colors
and all. FirstCAD, though, is, well, pretty generic in its packaging. I
don't know any more about these yet, but as I've a friend who may be getting
one soon, I should have something to report in the near future.
\ /
Disclaimer: I'm not associated \ /\ /arner
with the latest revision \/ \__/
of SANITY. |oung
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Last known address: dorothy.Berkeley.EDU!c9c-eh (I think)
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Date: 17 Oct 87 21:31:09 GMT
From: ihnp4!alberta!mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!ljdickey@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: Publishing Partner / WordUp / BIGformat
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <764@sbcs.sunysb.edu> lean@sbcs (Lean L. Loh) writes:
>
> Is comp.sources|binaries.atari.st sill alive? How come there's such a
> significant decrease in the # of programs posted to the net? I downloaded
> another program from GEnie and I like to post it. It's a formatter which
> formats a double sided disk to 923 K !!! (460K single sided).
I would like it posted.
Too bad we don't have a place to post these things, separate
from this news group.
--
L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
ljdickey@watmath.UUCP UUCP: ...!uunet!watmath!ljdickey
ljdickey%water@waterloo.edu ljdickey@watdcs.BITNET
ljdickey%water%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA
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Date: 17 Oct 87 20:54:03 GMT
From: ihnp4!alberta!mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!ljdickey@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: Terminal emulation on ST (questions)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <319@uthelios.toronto.edu> fieldus@uthelios.UUCP (Mike Fieldus) writes:
>
> We are considering getting a number of Atari 1040ST to use as terminals
> in out department. I have used a 1040 as a terminal in the past, and am
> quite impressed with the ability to emulate vt100's and tektronics terminals.
> I was wonder if some people could send me some information, based on their
> expericences, regarding
> 1. the relative merit of this idea
> 2. the possible (best?) emulator programs
> 3. how one can read IBM PC disks on the atari (much of our software
> is written for the PC, but I understand that these disks can be read on the
> atari.)
I use my 1040ST as a terminal and love it. The best software is FREE.
The emulator Uniterm is great. It emulates the Tek 4010 and VT52,
VT100, VT102, and VT200.
The folks in the Computer Engineering Department at Case Western Reserve
University use them too, many with hard disks connected. They have
developed a splendid shell, called Gulam, which behaves something like
the CSH on BSD4.X. It has a terminal emulator built in. Also, someone
there has done an APL terminal emulator.
--
L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo.
ljdickey@watmath.UUCP UUCP: ...!uunet!watmath!ljdickey
ljdickey%water@waterloo.edu ljdickey@watdcs.BITNET
ljdickey%water%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA
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Date: 18 Oct 87 23:43:30 GMT
From: phoenix!mpsimon@princeton.edu (M. Patrick Simon)
Subject: aim
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Has anyone been able to get the updated version of aim (v2.31, I think)
from atarinet? I tried, but got an archive in which aimv2_31.prg (or something
close to that) failed the crc check. The de-arc'd program also does not run,
which is not surprising. Is this version available anywhere else (ftp-able)?
Thanks,
Patrick Simon mpsimon@phoenix.princeton.edu
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 87 03:50:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: mh4x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Edward Hamill)
To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu
Subject: Re: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #369
In-Reply-To: Message from "Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu" dated "Sun 18 Oct 87 13:07:15 PDT"
There were no malfunction reports left (Or, at least, I couldn't find them)
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Date: 17 Oct 87 22:22:26 GMT
From: uop!exodus@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Freddy Kreuger)
Subject: Re: Q. Two HD20 on 1040ST?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <975@cup.portal.com>, Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com writes:
> It is possible to connect two Atari hard drives at once, since I do not
...
Why buy two drives for those prices? Buy one SH204 and a surplus drive, make
two cables (or buy for that matter), and put them together to make a better
bargain than Atari could give you. Oh, it will help if you have a spare
power supply sitting around, an old IBM PC supply will work very well.
You will also need to get the Supra HD utilities off of GEnie or CompuServe.
E-Mail for help or suggestions.
G. Onufer
--
Greg Onufer GEnie: G.ONUFER University of the Pacific
UUCP: ...!ucbvax!\ **POSTMASTER @ UOP**
-ucdavis!\
...!lll-crg!/ -uop.edu!{exodus, exodusr, postmaster, root}
...!ptsfa!cogent!/
...!cepu!retix!/
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Date: 19 Oct 87 02:51:39 GMT
From: umn-d-ub!umn-cs!davidli@speedy.wisc.edu (Dave Meile)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with OSS?
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <370UD140469@NDSUVM1> UD140469@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
>Examples: A net-friend of mine (hi, Holly!) send in her order and visa # to
>get the update AND was billed probably four or five months before she ever got
>a product! The OSS of a couple of years ago never would have done that, would
>they? Another point: the manual--I know (from working once at a place that
>developed software) that the last delay in getting software out the door
>always seemed to be the manual, but hey OSS--a month and a half?! Last point--
>
> Scott Udell
> UD140469@NDSUVM1.BITNET
To all of you who were "outraged" that you were billed in June for a product
released in September ...
Did you actually bother to READ the upgrade letter sent out by OSS? They
specifically stated that you would be charged early, and receive the
software later. They also promised that if they did not get it out on the
projected date, they would either (1) pay for the shipping or (2) let you
have a coupon for a "free" next upgrade. They mailed out a card on the
14th of August to that effect (and yes, I am keeping the card handy...)
Manuals -- well it looks like a LOT of printers are having major problems
getting computer manuals (and magazines - ala ST-Log) out on time. Most
large print shops have schedules -- if they print during week one, they
may not be able to reschedule a printing for four weeks or so. That's one
reasons some comics come out "later" than they're supposed to.. (and books,
and ... )
-- Dave Meile
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Date: Mon 19 Oct 87 11:23:07-EDT
From: Stephen Bate
Subject: Replacing the Desktop (Programming Question)
To: info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
Reply-To: GUFFEY@A.ISI.EDU
I'm writing a program and would like to replace the green desktop background
with a picture from a graphics editor. I'm currently using the function...
wind_set(0, WF_NEWDESK, desktop_tree, 0, 0);
Where WF_NEWDESK = 14,
desktop_tree = pointer to an object tree.
When I try to use this function, the program bombs (usually when the
desktop redraws itself). The object tree is fine. I can draw it in a window
using objc_draw() with no problem. I've also tried splitting the address
into two integers (lo word, hi word) and supplied them at the third and
fourth arguments (as documented by Abacus). This didn't work either.
Can anyone HELP??
Thanks in advance,
Steve Bate
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 87 09:42:41 MDT
From: Mark Rhyner <ISEIC.EA@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: Cartridge Port R/W
To: info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU
I am working on a school project (U of AZ, ECE Dept) which involves using the
cartridge port to support a graphics card. I am using OSK as the operating
system for this project.
I lost the article in which someone (Ashwin, Moshe, or Jawar?) stated how they
implemented writing to the cartridge port. I would like to follow that
implementation and support it as a "de facto" standard, i.e., clock to pin x,
AS to pin y, etc.
I am making a modification to the implementation - I believe that he was
writing to $3FFFFF. I am going to make the I/O port both read and write at
$4FFFFF or above. I want to do this to avoid a potential conflict between the
port and future memory expansion up to 4 megs. Any thoughts on this?
I would appreciate if the person in question could email the info contained in
that article to:
iseic.ea@simtel20.arpa
I need the info as quickly as possible in order to complete this portion of
the project this weekend (24-25 OCT) -- the end of the semester draws near!
I appreciate the help. Mark Rhyner
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 87 14:51:11 EDT
From: Herbert Goertzel <goertzel@dca-ems.arpa>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Searching for a Prolog
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
When someone says he has posted a program to comp.binaries.atari.st, just
what does that mean? Where is it? How does on access it? Is it accessible
from arpanet?
I've been reading these newsletters for many months and don't remember that
information ever appearing. In fact, the whole question of hosts and
archives and other communications esoterica seems to be a constant source of
confusion to most of us, note the constant pleas for addresses that work and
how do I get something from there to me. Is there any way that the rules for
those able to receive this can be written down in one place so we know what
can and what cannot be done. I'm getting tired of magic.
Thanks for any help,
Herb Goertzel
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