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Info-Atari16 Digest Tuesday, February 23, 1988 Volume 88 : Issue 91
This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield
Today's Topics:
HINSTALL (was Re: SH-204 ...)
Re: Lyco Computer
Re: Shareware? Hah!
Re: Shareware? Hah!
Re: Bad placing of Atari ST binaries
Floppy Disk Directories and Serial Numbers
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 88 10:07:34 +0100
From: mcvax!lasso!ralph@uunet.UU.NET (Ralph P. Sobek)
To: braner@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu, cernvax!jmg@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: HINSTALL (was Re: SH-204 ...)
Concerning HINSTALL, etc., it wasn't either on my hard-disk floppy provided
with my SH-204. But on the ATARINET server at Houston in file AB204.UUE,
once downloaded and dearced, you find amongst the files:
HINSTALL.PRG .RSC .DOC
204BOOT.IMG
204ROOT.IMG
PARK.PRG
I've tried HINSTALL together with HDB (v 2.4) and have had no problems.
I hope that this helps!
Ralph P. Sobek | UUCP: uunet!mcvax!inria!lasso!ralph, or
| ralph@lasso.uucp
LAAS-CNRS | Internet: ralph@lasso.laas.fr, or
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F-31077 Toulouse Cedex, FRANCE | ARPA: sobek@shadow.Berkeley.EDU (forwarded\
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Date: 18 Feb 88 22:05:45 GMT
From: cca!mirror!rayssd!brunix!nancy!rjd@husc6.harvard.edu (Rob Demillo)
Subject: Re: Lyco Computer
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <47@obie.UUCP> wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) writes:
>In article <22558@brunix.UUCP>, rjd@nancy (Rob Demillo) writes:
>> Well, sources (from within Lyco and other mail order houses)
>> tell us that Lyco had been getting its STs "illegally."
>> What does "illegally" mean? Your guess is as good as mine.
>
>Rumor has it that Lyco and CMO were buying "bad" STs from Atari,
>ostensibly for spare parts, and then doing whatever it took to make
>them run enough to sell them. You pop off the cover and the RF shield
>and there are Atari Q/C "REJECTED" stickers all over the place.
Well, just to back this claim up, the story continues...
Exactly 24 hours after I posted my first article about Lyco, the
friend of mine that originally bought his though Lyco called me
up: it seems that his 1040 fryed. Not just your standard, made-in-america
turn in on and it doesn't work kinda deal...I'm talking about:
** FIZZZZZZZZZZZZZ---TTTTTT!!! **
accompanied by smoke and sparks. (I have only seen one other machine
do this: an IBM Portable PC that had the wrong monitor plugged into it.)
So, he opens it up: sure enough the power supply blew. He told me after
the fact that it had been running kinda hot ever since he bought it,
and twice it rebooted for no reason. He bought a new power supply ($45)
and now everything is fine...
...if he has the old one I'll have him look for the Atari Q/C "REJECT"
stickers.
- Rob DeMillo
Brown University - Planetary Science Group
UUCP: ...{seismo!harpo}!ihnp4!brunix!rjd -- or --
...{seismo!harpo}!ihnp4!brunix!europa!demillo
BITNET: GE702025@BROWNVM
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CompuServe: 73537,2737
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"...I am not so sure what you want me for!
Either your machine is a fool, or me..." -- "WarGames", CSN
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Date: 19 Feb 88 22:55:38 GMT
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Subject: Re: Shareware? Hah!
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <1771@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> amlovell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Anthony M Lovell) writes:
>In article <2608@gryphon.CTS.COM>, richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) writes:
>>
>> This article (c) 1988 by Richard J. Sexton
>> This article copyrighted by Richard J. Sexton
>> This article Copyrighted (c) 1988 by Richard J. Sexton
>> None of these are valid copyrights.
>
>Inclusion of (c) symbol is satisfactory with a date and name.
>Middle one might not do, but other two certainly are legal copyright
>notices. Source : US form PA.
I think you may have old information. I'm pretty sure that last year
"(c)" was declared invalid. Or, since you are quoting a US form, that
maybe it is allowed in the US, but not internationally (since the US
never signed the appropriate international copyright treaty, our rules
differ). Internationally, only a "c" in a circle (and a pair of
parentheses is NOT the same thing as a circle) and/or the word
"copyright" can be used, and both of these are also valid in the US.
Barry Margolin
Thinking Machines Corp.
barmar@think.com
uunet!think!barmar
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Date: 19 Feb 88 13:46:17 GMT
From: oliveb!amiga!cbmvax!schein@AMES.ARC.NASA.GOV (Dan Schein CATS)
Subject: Re: Shareware? Hah!
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
In article <2608@gryphon.CTS.COM> richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) writes:
>
>Copyright 1988 by Richard J. Sexton.
>
> richard@gryphon.CTS.COM
Thanx for the Copyright tip. As a sometimes writer I always enjoy tips like
this one. BUT (come on - you knew it was comming) your choice of wording for
the term CompuServ, could use a little net-adjustment next time.
Of course this is my opinion and im sure you have yours. Guess thats why they
dont have UseNet in the USSR :-)
--
Dan Schein uucp: {ihnp4|allegra|burdvax|rutgers}!cbmvax!schein
Commodore AMIGA ARPANET: cbmvax!schein@uunet.uu.net
1200 Wilson Drive Bix: dschein Plink: Dan*CATS
West Chester PA 19380 phone: (215) 431-9100 ext. 9542
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
All spelling mistakes are a result of my efforts to avoid education :-)
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
I help Commodore by supporting the AMIGA. Commodore supports
me by allowing me to form my own suggestions and comments.
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Date: 19 Feb 88 21:23:22 GMT
From: vega.ucdavis.edu!ccs011@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (0058;0000016102;300;9999;94;ccs)
Subject: Re: Bad placing of Atari ST binaries
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
The primary reason that binaries are posted into comp.sys.atari.st
is that sending them through comp.binaries... takes forever. I
believe the moderator of comp.bin.. had some difficutlties with
his hard disk some time ago but programs still don't seem to be
getting through.
Bill Frazer
ccs011@vega.ucdavis.edu
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Date: 18 Feb 88 16:23:20 GMT
From: pyramid!prls!philabs!ttidca!woodside@decwrl.dec.com (George Woodside)
Subject: Floppy Disk Directories and Serial Numbers
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
With all the discussion about the number of directory entries on a floppy,
and the previous discussions about the serial numbers, I thought I'd post
some (supposedly) accurate information about them. This is from a combination
of the developer's documentation, MS-DOS documentation, and painful
experience.
The parameters which describe a floppy disk are stored in the first sector
of the disk (the boot sector). The defaults of the more important ones,
for a normal (desktop-formatted) diskette are:
Sector 0 Boot sector (contains this data)
Sector 1 - 5 First copy of the File Allocation Table (FAT)
Sector 6 - 10 Second copy of the FAT
Sector 11 - 17 Directory (room for 112 entries)
Sector 18 - Data
This information is permitted to vary from disk to disk, based on the
parameters stored in the following bytes of the boot sector.
WARNING # 1 - GEMDOS does not process all of these control parameters.
WARNING # 2 - 16 bit valules are in byte swapped format.
WARNING # 3 - I may be wrong. I may not even exist.
Byte 0 - 2 Jump instruction for bootable disks
3 - 10 Operating System ID (GEMDOS uses 8-10 as a serial number)
11 - 12 Bytes per sector
13 - 13 Sectors per cluster
14 - 15 Reserved sectors (GEMDOS uses 1, no matter what this says)
16 - 16 Copies of FAT (GEMDOS uses 2, no matter what this says)
17 - 18 Size of directory in entries (they're 32 bytes each)
19 - 20 Number of sectors on the disk
21 - 21 Format ID (GEMDOS seems to ignore this, but I'm not sure)
22 - 23 Sectors in each copy of the FAT
24 - 25 Sectors per track
26 - 27 Number of sides used on this disk
28 - 29 Special reserved sectors (GEMDOS ignores this)
GEMDOS always uses 1 sector for the boot, 2 copies of the FAT, and ignores
the special reserved sector count, as far as I've been able to determine.
Informed sources are welcome to supply any additional information.
The serial number, used to help detect disk swaps, is stored in bytes 8-10.
If the prototype boot sector function call (Protobt) passes the value -1L,
it is supposed to leave the disk's serial number unchanged. If the value is
in the range 0L - 0xffffffL, that value is assigned as the disk's serial
number. If the value is 0x1000000, a serial number is randomly generated
and assigned to the disk.
Note that the desktop, and some of the formatting programs being distributed,
tend to leave garbage in the unused bytes of the boot sector. And, for
non-bootable disks, GEMDOS ignores the operating system ID, looking only
at the serial number field. I haven't dabbled with bootable disks, so
you-pays-yer-money-and-you-takes-yer-chances with them.
Now, before you fire up that sector editor to go looking at the boot sector
of your floppies, you may want to try the easy method: this simple program.
It will look at the boot sector of a disk, and print the information in
a more useable format than a sector dump. It will log the full operating
system id, including the key bytes 8-10, then print the 24 bit value in
8-10 as unsigned long. That's the disk's serial number. Remember that much
of this is unuseable for hard drives.
The kludge deskey() is a quick look at the PATH environment variable. If
a PATH is set, it assumes the program was triggered from a shell, and
returns. If the PATH is a null string, it assumes that it was launched
from the desktop, and waits for a keypress. This works with the configuration
I use (MWC and Beckemeyer's C-Shell), but your mileage may vary.
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*George R. Woodside - Citicorp/TTI - Santa Monica, CA
*Path: ..!{trwrb|philabs|csun|psivax}!ttidca!woodside
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