achowe@watmsg.waterloo.edu (CrackerJack) (03/16/88)
Does anyone know of a LISP for the ST either commercial or PD. A simple implementation will do. Only need it for study purposes ie. doing CS assignments. -- Anthony C. Howe achowe@watmsg.waterloo.edu "The definition of flying: throwing yourself at the ground and missing." - Douglas Adam's "Life, the Universe and Everything"
rjung@sal1.usc.edu (Robert Jung) (03/17/88)
In article <17499@watmath.waterloo.edu> achowe@watmsg.UUCP (CrackerJack) writes: >Does anyone know of a LISP for the ST either commercial or PD. >A simple implementation will do. Only need it for study purposes >ie. doing CS assignments. The only PD LISP interpreter I know of is XLISP, which you can get in the public domain. Antic offers it in their "ST PD library", and if you order it from them, it's $12 (shipping/handling/etc.). If you have a friend who has it, maybe you can just get a copy from him/er (is this legal?) Like anything PD, it has no docs and no warranties. You throw the die and take your chances. I can't say whether this is any good or not (I haven't gotten it -- yet!), but this might be of interest to your query. --R.J. B-) ______________________________________________________________________________ Bitnet: rjung@castor.usc.edu "Who needs an Amiga?" = == = = == = Power WithOUT the Price = == = ===== == ===== Just because it's 8-bits doesn't make it obsolete. ==== == ====
dale@slovax.UUCP (Dale L. Thomas) (03/18/88)
> Does anyone know of a LISP for the ST either commercial or PD. > A simple implementation will do. Only need it for study purposes > ie. doing CS assignments. > > > -- > Anthony C. Howe achowe@watmsg.waterloo.edu > > "The definition of flying: throwing yourself at the ground and missing." > - Douglas Adam's "Life, the Universe and Everything" Xlisp is available for the ST and is PD. It was posted to the net a long time ago. The latest version is available on CompuServe. I think its version 2.0. Also Metacompco sells a version of Lisp for the ST. -- {psivax,ism780}!logico!slovax!dale : {hplsla,uw-beaver}!tikal!slovax!dale Dale Thomas R & D Associates,3625 Perkins Lane SW,Tacoma,Wa 98499,206-581-1322
apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) (03/18/88)
From article <17499@watmath.waterloo.edu>, by achowe@watmsg.waterloo.edu (CrackerJack): > Does anyone know of a LISP for the ST either commercial or PD. > A simple implementation will do. Only need it for study purposes > ie. doing CS assignments. I have the source to Xlisp version something -- not very recent. It's at home in an ARC file, but it's really big. The executable alone is big, too. I got it off a BBS in early 1986 -- you might ask BBS operators around you if they have it in their offline storage. It's pretty interesting, but lacked some things I needed for real use. With source, I could add them, but I just haven't been motivated. Too hard to get into somebody else's head to understand the implementation, for one thing. ============================================ Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
martin@lakesys.UUCP (Martin Wiedmeyer) (03/18/88)
In article <2941@slovax.UUCP> dale@slovax.UUCP (Dale L. Thomas) writes: > >Xlisp is available for the ST and is PD. It was posted to the net a long >time ago. The latest version is available on CompuServe. I think its >version 2.0. Also Metacompco sells a version of Lisp for the ST. A version of Xlisp is now available on netlib@lakesys.UUCP, a mini-fileserver. To get the index send the following to netlib@lakesys.UUCP: send index from archives.atari If *anyone* has trouble getting the index or files which are requested, please mail martin@lakesys.UUCP! We'd like to be able to reach as many folks as possible. If we don't know of problems, we can't straighten them out... Marty Wiedmeyer -- | Marty Wiedmeyer | | Lake Systems, Milwaukee, WI | | UUCP: {ihnp4,uwvax}!uwmcsd1!lakesys!martin | | Disclaimer: I take the heat for my own (mis)statements..... |
saj@chinet.UUCP (Stephen Jacobs) (03/19/88)
Just a little addendum to the suggestion of XLISP as a learning tool for LISP. The author is Dave Betz, of Byte Magazine. He distributes it if necessary, too. Both source and executables are pretty widely available; I have compiled an IBM PC version on the ST with no difficulty. A source of programs that may not pop into everyone's mind is people with DECUS symposium tapes: XLISP source has been in several times (PC and VAX, same code--talk about portability!).
dmb@zinn.UUCP (David Betz) (03/24/88)
In article <1019@atari.UUCP>, apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes: > I have the source to Xlisp version something -- not very recent. It's > at home in an ARC file, but it's really big. ... > It's > pretty interesting, but lacked some things I needed for real use. Allan, You mentioned that XLisp lacked some things you needed. If you'll send me a list of what you're looking for, I'll certainly consider adding it to the next release. BTW, the current version is 2.0 and it *does* run on the Atari ST (and is available on BIX). David Betz betz@mhis.UUCP (...decvax!elrond!zinn!mhis!dmb) or dmb@zinn.UUCP (...decvax!elrond!zinn!dmb)
wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (03/25/88)
In article <500@nunki.usc.edu>, rjung@sal1.usc.edu (Robert Jung) writes: > The only PD LISP interpreter I know of is XLISP, which you can get in the > public domain. Antic offers it in their "ST PD library", and if you order it > from them, it's $12 (shipping/handling/etc.). If you have a friend who has it, > maybe you can just get a copy from him/er (is this legal?) Yah, it's legal, XLISP is *truly* Public Domain, and all of us who want to learn something about Lisp without spending a lot of money owe Dave Betz a great thanks. Rumor has it Dave and others are working on a new version of XLISP for the ST, Amiga, and Mac, that support each system's environment in native lisp. Like windows as objects, and menu events as catch-and-throw type messages. I'd really like to see this! > Like anything PD, it has no docs and no warranties. Unlike most PD, you're only half-right. XLISP has no warranties, of course, but it comes with a fairly well-written ~60 page user manual on the disk. Looks pretty good when enhanced somewhat with your favorite WP and printed on a laser printer. :-) And XLISP *does* come with the sources, in C. Great for when you want to fix something that doesn't quite work the way to expect it too, if you're *REALLY GOOD* at hacking Lisp, C, and interpreters in general. Wes Peters -- /\ - "Against Stupidity, - {backbones}! /\/\ . /\ - The Gods Themselves - utah-cs!utah-gr! / \/ \/\/ \ - Contend in Vain." - uplherc!sp7040! / U i n T e c h \ - Schiller - obie!wes
wolf@csclea.ncsu.edu (Thomas Wolf) (03/26/88)
In article <219@zinn.UUCP> dmb@zinn.UUCP (David Betz) writes: [some deleted text] >... BTW, the current version is 2.0 and it *does* run on >the Atari ST (and is available on BIX). > David Betz [some more deleted] Could someone make this version of XLisp available in the .bin. section? I don't have access to BIX and would like to get a copy. Thanks in advance. Tom Wolf ARPA (I think): tw@cscosl.ncsu.edu or wolf@csclea.ncsu.edu
rjung@castor.usc.edu (Robert Jung) (03/27/88)
In article <86@obie.UUCP> wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) writes: >> maybe you can just get a copy from him/er (is this legal?) > >Yah, it's legal, XLISP is *truly* Public Domain, and all of us who >want to learn something about Lisp without spending a lot of money owe >Dave Betz a great thanks. Right. Thanks, Dave! (Somebody pass this on) >Rumor has it Dave and others are working on a new version of XLISP for >the ST, Amiga, and Mac, that support each system's environment in >native lisp. Like windows as objects, and menu events as >catch-and-throw type messages. I'd really like to see this! No offense to Dave or anything (since I just thanked him), but I'm not sure if a windowed LISP is a good idea... Or have you never seen ST BASIC? Heck, the only *really*good* languages I've seen for ANY computer all don't use windows... --R.J. B-) (My goal in life is to make the Atari-dominance of _Blade_Runner_ a reality...) ______________________________________________________________________________ Bitnet: rjung@castor.usc.edu "Who needs an Amiga?" = == = = == = Power WithOUT the Price = == = ===== == ===== Just because it's 8-bits doesn't make it obsolete. ==== == ====
wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (03/29/88)
In article <588@nunki.usc.edu>, rjung@castor.usc.edu (Robert Jung) writes: > Heck, the only *really*good* languages I've seen for ANY computer all > don't use windows... Ah. I take it you've never seen a good Smalltalk system. Or Modula-2 on a Lilith. Or even C/C++ on a Sun. If you've never experienced window systems on a workstation with enough screen real estate to be useful, you haven't really experienced windows. I have a mono monitor on my ancient 520ST at home, and on my Mega 2 at work; the color loses too many pixels to interest me. Wes Peters P.S. I don't know if you've ever been involved in a large-scale s/w development project, but picture this: a s/w engineering system, using windowed micros for terminals and a VAX/VMS or unix mini/micro server to hold the on-line text for the requirements doc, the design doc, and the source. You're editing your source code, and you want to take a look at the requirement this section of code is derived from. You click on a little "handle" in the code window, and another window opens showing you the requirement that drives this section. A third window shows the design doc section describing this code. Whaddya think? -- /\ - "Against Stupidity, - {backbones}! /\/\ . /\ - The Gods Themselves - utah-cs!utah-gr! / \/ \/\/ \ - Contend in Vain." - uplherc!sp7040! / U i n T e c h \ - Schiller - obie!wes