[comp.sys.atari.st] Printer for ATARI ST/ E-Z score plus

rwn@ihlpa.ATT.COM (Bob Neumann) (04/26/88)

I am planning on purchasing Hybrid Arts E-Z Score plus within
the next couple of months.  E-Z Score plus is a program that
runs on an ATARI ST that converts midi sequencer files to
music notation suitable for printing.

Since purchasing my ATARI 1040 ST last summer, I've delayed getting
a printer.  Any suggestions for a printer that compliments that music
notation capabilities of E-Z score plus? I'll probably use it for
the usual stuff like letters, band songlists, etc. so letter-quality
is important too.

Any experienced users of E-Z score plus?  What printer do you use?
Any suggestions for discount mail order sources for the printers?
I don't want to spend more than $200.00 so I guess I'm out of the league
for laser printers.

				Thanks for the help.
				
				Bob Neumann
				
				

jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) (04/26/88)

Definately get an Epson. Epson printers are the most supported printers
in the world (they also happen to be relatively cheap and have excellent
quality).

By the way, congrats on the purchase of the ST! I've had a 520ST for two
years and I'm very happy with it!


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manis@faculty.cs.ubc.ca (Vince Manis) (04/27/88)

In article <712@leah.Albany.Edu> jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) 
writes:

>Definately get an Epson. Epson printers are the most supported printers
>in the world (they also happen to be relatively cheap and have excellent
>quality).

Well, er, that may not be the best advice. One should definitely buy an 
Epson *compatible*; but that could be anything from a bottom-of-the
line Panasonic (that's what I have, and I'm quite happy with it) to a
laser printer. Generally, when one compares on prices, Epson (the company)
does not come out as the leader. When I bought mine (2 years ago), 
Panasonic/Roland (the same printer under different labels) was far ahead 
on price; two Epson dealers *told* me to buy Panasonic instead. 

If you're printing music scores, you should probably look at a 24-pin
printer. ALPS (I believe) recently announced one for US$449. The increased 
resolution may well be worth it to you.

BTW, although just about all Epson compatibles have a graphics mode, most 
of them are slow in graphics mode: whether I'm using First Cadd in ST mode,
or MS Word in Mac mode, throughput can be measered as around 10 pages per
*hour* (no, I'm using the parallel interface, not the serial one!). If 
you're really serious about doing a lot of graphics printing, look for the
fastest printer you can afford. 

Best bet: generate a file full of stuff typical of what you're planning to 
print. Put it on a disk formatted on an IBM PS/2 (your ST can read or write
such disks). Then take it into various stores and ask to print it on various
printers. Look at the quality of the print, and the time taken to print it.
List the printers which do an acceptable job on that test, and then think
about price, support, etc. If a dealer won't let you do that, then find 
another dealer. 

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jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) (04/28/88)

In article <2208@ubc-cs.UUCP>, manis@faculty.cs.ubc.ca (Vince Manis) writes:
> If you're printing music scores, you should probably look at a 24-pin
> printer. ALPS (I believe) recently announced one for US$449. The increased 
> resolution may well be worth it to you.

Sure! But keep in mind that the person who originally asked about this
was not willing to spend more than $200! Also, the REAL Epsons have
better quality print than any other printer. And most importantly (for
music prints) it doesn't have those ugly blank lines in the graphix
mode.


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wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (04/28/88)

In article <712@leah.Albany.Edu>, jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) writes:
> Definately get an Epson. Epson printers are the most supported printers
> in the world (they also happen to be relatively cheap and have excellent
> quality).

In my experience, Epsons cost too much, break too much, and jam too much.
I used to sell both Epson and Oki printers; I'd much rather sell the
Okis because they generate fewer service calls.  I own an old SG-10 from
Star (almost as old as my ST, bought in 8/85).  I like it so much I
specified a bunch of Star NX-10s and NX-15s when buying for my office
at work (which is equipped with 5 Mega 2s).  I also have an Oki laser
printer (HP LJ clone).  Shop around and look for features and price.
Good brands (among others) include Star, Okidata, Citizen, Panasonic,
and Toshiba.  A good place to look for price is Midwest Micro
Periperhals - they usually have 25 pages of ads in each Computer Shopper.
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Thomas_E_Zerucha@cup.portal.com (04/30/88)

I haven't used it too much, but I have EZ Score +.  I use my Panasonic 1080
and it makes very nice printouts.  They are improving the drivers (and upping
the price) for 1.1 which should be available in may - they use GDOS fonts, but
not GDOS itself, and support most common printers - it comes with many config
files, but I suspect that any inexpensive but good Epson compatible will
work well with it.

wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (04/30/88)

In article <720@leah.Albany.Edu>, jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) babbles:
> Sure! But keep in mind that the person who originally asked about this
> was not willing to spend more than $200! Also, the REAL Epsons have
> better quality print than any other printer. And most importantly (for
> music prints) it doesn't have those ugly blank lines in the graphix
> mode.

If this is so, why did Migraph do all of their original demo printouts
on a Star SG-10?  Because, in their humble opinions (as the producers
of one of the best ST applications to date, EasyDraw), the SG-10
produced better output than the Espon FX-80.  And cost less, too.  Now
you can buy the NX-10 from Midwest Micro for about $165.  I think this
printer would fit the original posters' bill pretty well.  If you can
afford it, the ND-15 (24-pin) is even better.

Epson printers are rather like IBM computers - they think they're the
best, so they make their prices higher, even when many other companies
offer more REAL performance at a significantly lower price.  You do
own an Atari ST, don't you Mr. Cisek?
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jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) (05/03/88)

In article <195@obie.UUCP>, wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) writes:
> Epson printers are rather like IBM computers - they think they're the
> best, so they make their prices higher, even when many other companies
> offer more REAL performance at a significantly lower price.  You do
> own an Atari ST, don't you Mr. Cisek?

Quite... I've probably owned it a lot longer then you have. And in
support of Epson, all the printers you spoke of are incomplete Epson
compatibles. Just as I would buy the real IBM over an Epson Equity, I
would get the real Epson over any of the others. This is just my
personal opinion, nothing to flame about...


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