david@bdt.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) (04/26/88)
In article <1043@atari.UUCP> good@atari.UUCP (Roy Good) writes: >Please be aware of the facts before flaming Atari! [:-)] [ body of message deleted ] >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Roy J. Good >Product Development, Atari Corporation > >Views expressed are my own. Atari may agree or disagree; they have the right. >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well Mr Roy J. Good, I'll flame Atari any time I want, facts or no facts! [no :-)] Who are you to tell this net they need FACTS to flame? If I need facts, I'll go over to a real computer news group. This is the Atari group remember? Hey did I tell you about the new ABAQ transputer emulator I have for the new 68030 Atari UNIX system? Oh yea and don't forget about the Holy-Moses Network board I'm gonna have real soon now that lets my ST communicate with a SDI workstation running in an orbit that Mr. Spock says "fells just fine". -- David Beckemeyer | "Yuh gotta treat people jes' like yuh Beckemeyer Development Tools | do mules. Don't try to drive 'em. Jes' 478 Santa Clara Ave, Oakland, CA 94610 | leave the gate open a mite an' let 'em UUCP: ...!ihnp4!hoptoad!bdt!david | bust in!"
c162-br@zooey.Berkeley.EDU (Warner Young) (04/28/88)
In article <303@bdt.UUCP> david@bdt.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) writes: >In article <1043@atari.UUCP> good@atari.UUCP (Roy Good) writes: >>Please be aware of the facts before flaming Atari! [:-)] >[ body of message deleted ] >>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Roy J. Good >>Product Development, Atari Corporation >> >>Views expressed are my own. Atari may agree or disagree; they have the right. >>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Well Mr Roy J. Good, I'll flame Atari any time I want, facts or no >facts! [no :-)] Who are you to tell this net they need FACTS to flame? >If I need facts, I'll go over to a real computer news group. This is >the Atari group remember? Hey did I tell you about the new ABAQ transputer >emulator I have for the new 68030 Atari UNIX system? Oh yea and don't >forget about the Holy-Moses Network board I'm gonna have real soon now that >lets my ST communicate with a SDI workstation running in an orbit that >Mr. Spock says "fells just fine". >David Beckemeyer | "Yuh gotta treat people jes' like yuh >Beckemeyer Development Tools | do mules. Don't try to drive 'em. Jes' >478 Santa Clara Ave, Oakland, CA 94610 | leave the gate open a mite an' let 'em >UUCP: ...!ihnp4!hoptoad!bdt!david | bust in!" Really, Mr. Beckemeyer? You know, I've just been reading some stuff on the startrek group that sounds like what you've said. There are people on that group who feel that they have the right to flame anyone that they please, insulting everyone in an infantile manner, and otherwise offending anyone else whom they haven't directly flamed. Maybe you don't need facts to flame, but flaming on pure opinion alone will soon cause this net to degenerate into shouting matches (so to speak), and certainly not a real computer group anymore. Please. If you feel the Atari (and the Atari community) isn't WORTH your while, then by all means, go to a REAL computer news group, and offer your REAL opinions. If you have some worthwhile opinions to offer this group, then I'd appreciate it if you do it in a more reasonable, less extreme fashion. There are some of us who read this group for news and information, to exchange help with others, and in general try to promote a better atmosphere for the Atari, and hopefully help to sway the management at Atari in a mature manner. In conclusion, I'd like to say something that many others have said, which is that I'm very happy with the Atari ST that I own. I'm not completely satisfied with the decisions made by the company behind the computer, but I believe that with some time, and a lot of help from this Net, things can change. Remember, guys, the quoted flame here is from a guy who likes to say "Yuh gotta treat people jes' like yuh do mules..." Having seen how Mr. Beckemeyer's company treats its customers, I think he might actually believe in this. \ /arner - Writer of the dreaded Safety Seal Reviews \ / / - Owner of the vaporware group Safety Seal Software \/ \_/oung | - Disclaimer: I'm definitely not associated with the company \_| above in any way.
rwa@auvax.UUCP (Ross Alexander) (04/30/88)
The summary says it all. Dave had a multitasking kernel running on an
ST before most people on this net figured out how to boot their STs. He's
invested heavily in development tools (priced a MicroVAX lately? I have.)
And he actually seems to know whereof he speaks, a virtue honoured more
often in the breach than the observance locally.
I (speaking for Athabasca University) am a registered developer. Big
deal. We have had STs since mid-1985; they are popular and cheap.
BUT they are the *least supported* machine around. If there is a bug
in TOS, the customer, not Atari, fixes it or lumps it. Remember
TOS-in-ram? Why can't interim bug fixes be distributed that way?
Because IT WOULD COST MONEY and that sort of thing doesn't seem to
be part of the Atari game plan.
We plan to continue developing for the Atari. Under Minix. Have a
nice day without us, Jack!
--
Ross Alexander, Sr Systems Programmer, Athabasca University alberta!auvax!rwa
"My other computers are 3 VAXen and 4 Suns and a pair of 3B2s"jsp@sp7040.UUCP (John Peters) (05/03/88)
In article <615@auvax.UUCP>, rwa@auvax.UUCP (Ross Alexander) writes: > > We plan to continue developing for the Atari. Under Minix. Have a > nice day without us, Jack! > > -- > Ross Alexander, Sr Systems Programmer, Athabasca University alberta!auvax!rwa > "My other computers are 3 VAXen and 4 Suns and a pair of 3B2s" I think I hear another vote for a "comp.os.minix.atari" sig on the net. Your sentaments are stongly echoed here. I would like to propose not only the new sig but maybe a group to coordinate developement of public domain utilities under Minix. I seems to me that the ST-Minix community would benifit from coordinated development instead of 15 people working on versions\ of the same thing. -- Johnnie --
wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (05/04/88)
In article <615@auvax.UUCP>, rwa@auvax.UUCP (Ross Alexander) writes: > > We plan to continue developing for the Atari. Under Minix. Have a > nice day without us, Jack! > > -- > Ross Alexander, Sr Systems Programmer, Athabasca University alberta!auvax!rwa > "My other computers are 3 VAXen and 4 Suns and a pair of 3B2s" In article <382@sp7040.UUCP>, jsp@sp7040.UUCP (John Peters) writes: | I think I hear another vote for a "comp.os.minix.atari" sig on | the net. Your sentaments are stongly echoed here. I would like to propose | not only the new sig but maybe a group to coordinate developement of public | domain utilities under Minix. I seems to me that the ST-Minix community would | benifit from coordinated development instead of 15 people working on versions\ | of the same thing. | | -- Johnnie -- I second the motion for comp.os.minix.atari. Is this worth taking to formal voting? If we get more than a few replies (not followups!), we'll open it for voting via the official channels. If course I am a little prejudiced about this, Johnnie is my brother. P.S. - My other computers consist of 2 WSCs, 3 LCSCs, and an ALCSC. No, you're not supposed to know what those are! :-) -- /\ - "Against Stupidity, - {backbones}! /\/\ . /\ - The Gods Themselves - utah-cs!uplherc! / \/ \/\/ \ - Contend in Vain." - sp7040!obie! / U i n T e c h \ - Schiller - wes