jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) (04/26/88)
I have used the CURSES package extensively on the VAX, and the UNIX. Is something similar available for the Atari ST (preferably Megamax or Lazer)? In case you don't understand, CURSES is a window management library for the UNIX (which has been translated to the VAX as well). J.A.Cisek jac423@leah.albany.edu
karl@haddock.ISC.COM (Karl Heuer) (04/27/88)
In article <711@leah.Albany.Edu> jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) writes: >I have used the CURSES package extensively on the VAX, and the UNIX. What do you mean, "on the VAX and the UNIX"??? Everyone knows that "VAX" and "UNIX" are synonymous! Just ask the folks at Berkeley! :-) :-) :-) Karl W. Z. Heuer (ima!haddock!karl or karl@haddock.isc.com), The Walking Lint
811318w@aucs.UUCP (Rob Wolfe) (04/27/88)
In article <711@leah.Albany.Edu> jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) writes: >I have used the CURSES package extensively on the VAX, and the UNIX. Is [stuff deleted] >In case you don't understand, CURSES is a window management library for >the UNIX (which has been translated to the VAX as well). > J.A.Cisek > jac423@leah.albany.edu arghhhhhhh why why why do people insist on calling THAT operating system THE UNIX there is no such thing as THE UNIX as there are as many flavors as BASKIN-ROBBINS. Especially given the condescending tone of the article, ie " if you don't understand" if they dont understand they probably won't be of much help will they? if this seems like a little thing tough...... a piece of software rarely runs on a machine it runs on a machine/operating system pair. that is why you see references to VAX/VMS or VAX/SYSV or VAX/BSD. btw there is no such single entity as THE VAX either .
wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (04/28/88)
In article <3640@haddock.ISC.COM>, karl@haddock.ISC.COM (Karl Heuer) writes: > In article <711@leah.Albany.Edu> jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) writes: > >I have used the CURSES package extensively on the VAX, and the UNIX. > > What do you mean, "on the VAX and the UNIX"??? Everyone knows that "VAX" and > "UNIX" are synonymous! Just ask the folks at Berkeley! Come on, Mr. Lint! EVERYONE knows that UNIX is synonymous with SPARC! (Ack! Phhpptttt! Panic: no TAS instruction! vmcore dumped) -- /\ - "Against Stupidity, - {backbones}! /\/\ . /\ - The Gods Themselves - utah-cs!uplherc! / \/ \/\/ \ - Contend in Vain." - sp7040!obie! / U i n T e c h \ - Schiller - wes
jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) (04/29/88)
In article <3640@haddock.ISC.COM>, karl@haddock.UUCP writes: > Everyone knows that "VAX" and "UNIX" are synonymous! Just ask the > folks at Berkeley! They are? Too bad VAX VMS doesn't know it.... ;-) |\ |\ |\ |\ .--------------------. J.A.Cisek | \ | \ |\ |\ | \ | \ |\ \/ | Spectral Fantasies | jac423@leah.albany.edu | \| \|-\|_|| \| \|-\/\ `--------------------' jac423@uacsc1.albany.edu
jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) (04/29/88)
In article <1064@aucs.UUCP>, 811318w@aucs.UUCP (Rob Wolfe) writes: > arghhhhhhh > why why why do people insist on calling THAT operating system THE UNIX > there is no such thing as THE UNIX as there are as many flavors as > BASKIN-ROBBINS. I asked you a legitimate question. I didn't need a bunch of bullshit as an answer! > btw > there is no such single entity as THE VAX either . I'm very sorry, but I prefer saying VAX and UNIX when speaking about a portable language like C!!!! What should I say? The VAX8650 running VMS v4.2??? The Sperry 7000 'leah' running UNIX v3? Give me a break! |\ |\ |\ |\ .--------------------. J.A.Cisek | \ | \ |\ |\ | \ | \ |\ \/ | Spectral Fantasies | jac423@leah.albany.edu | \| \|-\|_|| \| \|-\/\ `--------------------' jac423@uacsc1.albany.edu
u14@nikhefh.hep.nl (Daan Josephus Jitta) (04/29/88)
In article xx karl@haddock.ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer) writes: >In article xx jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) writes: >>I have used the CURSES package extensively on the VAX, and the UNIX. > >What do you mean, "on the VAX and the UNIX"??? Everyone knows that "VAX" and >"UNIX" are synonymous! Just ask the folks at Berkeley! > >Karl W. Z. Heuer (ima!haddock!karl or karl@haddock.isc.com), The Walking Lint Sorry to disturb your dreams, but DEC has two operating systems for their VAXes: UNIX and VMS. And there are a lot of machines not coming from DEC running UNIX... UNIX and VAX are not *really* synonomous! Daan Josephus Jitta.
) (04/30/88)
In article <457@nikhefh.hep.nl> u14@nikhefh.hep.nl (Daan Josephus Jitta) writes: >In article xx karl@haddock.ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer) writes: >>In article xx jac423@leah.Albany.Edu (Julius A Cisek) writes: >>>I have used the CURSES package extensively on the VAX, and the UNIX. >> >>What do you mean, "on the VAX and the UNIX"??? Everyone knows that "VAX" and >>"UNIX" are synonymous! Just ask the folks at Berkeley! >> >>Karl W. Z. Heuer (ima!haddock!karl or karl@haddock.isc.com), The Walking Lint > >Sorry to disturb your dreams, but DEC has two operating systems for >their VAXes: UNIX and VMS. And there are a lot of machines not coming >from DEC running UNIX... UNIX and VAX are not *really* synonomous! > >Daan Josephus Jitta. A public message to Karl W. Z. Heuer : "Never post anything slightly humorous to a newsgroup, people will just not understand." Except of course if you liberally apply ^*$% ':-)'s all over your your piece therefore degrading it's artistic value to NIL. And for people who didn't get it this time either.. *\*/* :) ;) ;| ;( ;0 * * (Exploding smiley face) */*\* Natuerlich! -------------------------------------------------------------- Loveletters & Hatemail to : wallman@yalecs Files to : WALLMANN@CTSTATEU (Bitnet) Talk to : wallman@yale-zoo-suned.arpa -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- Loveletters & Hatemail to : wallman@yalecs Files to : WALLMANN@CTSTATEU (Bitnet) Talk to : wallman@yale-zoo-suned.arpa --------------------------------------------------------------
karl@haddock.ISC.COM (Karl Heuer) (04/30/88)
In article <457@nikhefh.hep.nl> u14@nikhefh.hep.nl (Daan Jitta) writes: >Sorry to disturb your dreams, but DEC has two operating systems for >their VAXes: UNIX and VMS. And there are a lot of machines not coming >from DEC running UNIX... UNIX and VAX are not *really* synonomous! I know that. The smileys, which you deleted when you quoted me, were intended to denote sarcasm. The reference to Berkeley was a dig at the common BSD assumption that "all the world's a VAX". I didn't think I'd have to explain. I presume that when the original poster said "VAX" (in contrast to UNIX), he really meant "VMS". Karl W. Z. Heuer (ima!haddock!karl or karl@haddock.isc.com), The Walking Lint
guy@gorodish.Sun.COM (Guy Harris) (04/30/88)
> > What do you mean, "on the VAX and the UNIX"??? Everyone knows that "VAX" > > and "UNIX" are synonymous! Just ask the folks at Berkeley! "Mr. Lint" may explain this, but I'll mention it as well: Statements such as the above are generally referred to as "sarcasm". I somehow suspect Karl knows better than to equate VAXes and UNIX. Unfortunately, there are zillions of people out there who *don't* know better. > Come on, Mr. Lint! EVERYONE knows that UNIX is synonymous with SPARC! Gee, I don't "know that UNIX is synonymous with SPARC"; my current machine happens to have a SPARC chip in it, but I work with 68K machines and occasionally 80386 machines and VAXes as well. (The nice thing about a portable OS such as UNIX is that 99% of the time it doesn't matter what chip the machine uses; the same OS runs there.) It is conceivable that some Sun sales and marketing people may be trying to convey the *impression* that UNIX is synonymous with SPARC; such people should be tarred and feathered and dumped outside the city limits. > (Ack! Phhpptttt! Panic: no TAS instruction! vmcore dumped) No, SPARC has no instruction named TAS; the test-and-set instruction on SPARC is called LDSTUB (Atomic Load-Store Unsigned Byte). Have you actually *read* the architecture manual carefully, or do you just think a detailed knowledge of something is unnecessary if you want to make reasonable comments about it?
sarge@fraud.Berkeley.EDU (Steven Sargent) (04/30/88)
> > What do you mean, "on the VAX and the UNIX"??? Everyone knows that "VAX" and > > "UNIX" are synonymous! Just ask the folks at Berkeley! > > Come on, Mr. Lint! EVERYONE knows that UNIX is synonymous with SPARC! > (Ack! Phhpptttt! Panic: no TAS instruction! vmcore dumped) > -- > /\ - "Against Stupidity, - {backbones}! > /\/\ . /\ - The Gods Themselves - utah-cs!uplherc! > / \/ \/\/ \ - Contend in Vain." - sp7040!obie! > / U i n T e c h \ - Schiller - wes I left your .sig in since it seems the best comment on your post (and on those of others who have followed/will follow up in the same vein.) To wit: "VAX" and "Berkeley VAX/UNIX" are the items being identified. That's all the programmer's manual has ever promised. Yes, the situation is uncomfortable at times for code-porters (I'm one of them.) Yes, people who prefer 4bsdish systems to usgish systems (I'm guilty again!) have the "not-phone-company-approved" canard to explain to their management. Yes, Mr. Heuer joins a vast chorus of voices, all of which decry the situation with great wailing and gnashing of teeth. (And yes, the people who bring you 4.3 are -- reportedly: I haven't seen the fruits of their work -- improving the situation.) Now can we get on to something else? Steven Sargent Internet: sarge@scam.berkeley.edu/sarge%scam.berkeley.edu@ucbvax.berkeley.edu TPCnet: {anywhere at all, really}!ucbvax!scam!sarge
wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (05/02/88)
In article <457@nikhefh.hep.nl>, u14@nikhefh.hep.nl (Daan Josephus Jitta) writes: > In article xx karl@haddock.ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer) writes: > Sorry to disturb your dreams, but DEC has two operating systems for > their VAXes: UNIX and VMS. And there are a lot of machines not coming > from DEC running UNIX... UNIX and VAX are not *really* synonomous! Wrong! DEC has several operating systems for the VAX, and NONE of them are named "UNIX." They have Ultrix, which is a DEC-bastardized port of 4.2BSD, which is sort of Unix. (My System V bigotry showing through again, I see.) They also have a real-time system called VAXELN (I think), and then there is good ol' RSX-11, which runs as a guest on VAXen with the PDP-11 compatibility mode. To sum up, COULD WE PLEASE GET RID OF THIS USELESS DISCUSSION ON COMP.SYS.ATARI.ST? Until VMS or one of the others runs on the ST, it really doesn't belong here! "Thank you for your support." -- /\ - "Against Stupidity, - {backbones}! /\/\ . /\ - The Gods Themselves - utah-cs!uplherc! / \/ \/\/ \ - Contend in Vain." - sp7040!obie! / U i n T e c h \ - Schiller - wes
pete@tsc.dec.com (Pete Schmitt) (05/03/88)
In article <205@obie.UUCP>, wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) writes: > > In article xx karl@haddock.ima.isc.com (Karl Heuer) writes: > > Sorry to disturb your dreams, but DEC has two operating systems for > > their VAXes: UNIX and VMS. And there are a lot of machines not coming > > from DEC running UNIX... UNIX and VAX are not *really* synonomous! > > Wrong! DEC has several operating systems for the VAX, and NONE of > them are named "UNIX." They have Ultrix, which is a DEC-bastardized > port of 4.2BSD, which is sort of Unix. No, your wrong. DEC also will sell UNIX SYSV for VAXes. Developed in Holmdel, NJ. Guess who is the major buyer of DEC's SYSV for the VAX? AT&T that's who. pete schmitt ihnp4!tsc!pete
wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (05/04/88)
In article <467@tsc.dec.com>, pete@tsc.dec.com (Pete Schmitt) writes: > > Wrong! DEC has several operating systems for the VAX, and NONE of > > them are named "UNIX." They have Ultrix, which is a DEC-bastardized > > port of 4.2BSD, which is sort of Unix. > > No, your wrong. DEC also will sell UNIX SYSV for VAXes. Developed in > Holmdel, NJ. Guess who is the major buyer of DEC's SYSV for the VAX? > AT&T that's who. Oops! I forgot that one, but I was still right about DEC not selling an OS called "UNIX." If you will check, the System V for VAXen is called "Holmdel 32V" or something like that. The PDP-11 version of Unix that DEC sells is called V7M11. Only AT&T gets to call Unix "Unix." The system I am typing this on right now is called "Microport System V/AT." No "Unix" in the name anywhere! -- /\ - "Against Stupidity, - {backbones}! /\/\ . /\ - The Gods Themselves - utah-cs!uplherc! / \/ \/\/ \ - Contend in Vain." - sp7040!obie! / U i n T e c h \ - Schiller - wes