VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1.BITNET (07/07/88)
I'd like to know if NETLIB@LAKESYS.UUCP is reachable from BITNET. The recently posted directory listing contained a number of interesting files that aren't available on BITNET (at least, not to me :-). I sent a number of mail files following the directions in the directory postings. I received: nothing, i.e. no mailer error messages. I suspect there is a problem with the return path. Has anyone on BITNET managed to get NETLIB to answer ? Also, I could not get mail to George Woodside, the author of TURTLE. I used addresses like woodside@ttidca.UUCP-USA or the path his postings have (pyramid!prls!philabs!ttidca!woodside@decwrl.dec.com), but nothing worked. George, if you are reading this: I noticed that you said the newest TURTLE version to be 2.18. I wasn't able to find that version on any of the servers available in BITNET. Could you tell me if 2.18 exists on a server on BITNET ? Alternatively, could you please e mail me a copy directly, if it's not too much trouble ? I want to retry using TURTLE on my Mega4 and I want to be sure to start off with the newest version. Thanks for any and all help. Bitnet: VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1 Volker A. Brandt UUCP: ...!unido!DBNUAMA1.bitnet!vbrandt Angewandte Mathematik ARPAnet: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Bonn, West Germany)
PETCHER@FSU.BITNET (07/08/88)
The following has turned out to be a rather long response to the original
posting, but I hope that it will be helpful to some others who are trying
to access netlib from bitnet. It is basically a report on my not altogether
successful experience.
Bitnet is my usual connection with the uucp world, and generally although there
may be some initial problems in finding a working path, usually once that
hurdle is past I have no problems. With netlib@lakesys my experience has been
different. I have been accessing netlib from bitnet, but with minimal success.
I have sent requests from two different computers. So far from the first, I
have received somewhat more than half of the files that I requested over a
period of about a month. (In this tally I only count paths to lakesys that I
have some reason to believe are reliable - like I got a response). Some of the
files I have not received may yet arrive though. From the second computer (the
one from which this message originates), which uses the first as a gateway to
bitnet, I have received absolutely no response from lakesys whatsoever.
As an aside, I have also tried to send letters from the second computer
using mfenet with no response.
On the index of lakesys software distributed to this newsgroup, the path
'lakesys!netlib@csd1.milw.wisc.edu' is said to be useful for some. Using
this path I am unable to get a response, although I know that I am getting
through at least to csd1. I sent a query there and got a response from the
postmaster. However the postmaster at lakesys never responded to a similar
query.
The path that seems most reliable for me is
'uwvax!uwmcsd1!lakesys!netlib%harvard@harvunxw.bitnet'
I have also tried other paths through other gateways that are usually good
gateways to uucp for us, but in this case with no success. On a couple of
occasions I got replies back from our mailer that attempts to deliver the
letter have failed, although the mailer will keep trying to deliver for several
more days. This means that the path is apparently good but it somehow cannot
get through at the moment I suppose (some node is down?).
To sum it up, I suspect that there are sevaral problems possible. The most
obvious are that either the path you use is not working, or perhaps more likely,
that netlib is unable to interpret the return address properly and the return
letter just falls somewhere into the great electronic abyss. Yet another
thing I suppose (that can be confirmed by the lakesys people) is that there
is a large backlog of requests so that the turnaround is very slow. This
is no doubt due to the obvious excellence of the collection of software
that has been assembled there (kudos to the organizers). I have no
explanation for the sporadic experience I have had in receiving files when
I know the link I am using is a good one in both directions.
Is there a way to iron out these problems? Does anyone have a clue? (Marty,
can you help?)
Alternatively, could the bitnet sites such as canad01 (I still can't get
a response from houston) or better yet, could an ftp site stock the same
software that is available from lakesys?
Don Petcher
PETCHER@FSU.BITNETwoodside@ttidca.TTI.COM (George Woodside) (07/08/88)
In article <8807071431.AA22259@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1.BITNET writes: ..[edited].. > > I noticed that you said the newest TURTLE version to be 2.18. I wasn't able >to find that version on any of the servers available in BITNET. Could you >tell me if 2.18 exists on a server on BITNET ? Alternatively, could you please e >mail me a copy directly, if it's not too much trouble ? I want to retry using >TURTLE on my Mega4 and I want to be sure to start off with the newest version. There is very little difference between 2.17 and 2.18, only a minor bug fix for a rather unusual directory problem. There is a new version in the works (isn't there always, with everything?), but don't look for that until sometime in August. I am attempting to address the problems of more disk formats, and assigning the RAMdisk to drives other than "M:". I am also looking into reports of problems with 4M systems, but I haven't found a test site in the Los Angeles area (I come from a poor, 1M family :^) ). I know the latest version is at lakesys. I'm not sure how to get it through BITNET. If all else fails, mail me a disk, and I'll put the latest version on it. George R. Woodside 5219 San Feliciano Drive Woodland Hills, Ca. 91364 USA -- *George R. Woodside - Citicorp/TTI - Santa Monica, CA *Path: ..!{philabs|csun|psivax}!ttidca!woodside
VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1.BITNET (07/26/88)
A big 'thank you' to all the people who responded to my question. Yes, one *can* reach netlib@lakesys from BITNET/EARN. For users with IBM VM/CMS machines who have the CROSSNET exec: just specify UUCP-CA as the target network. For all others: this is the file CROSSNET sends to MAILER@UWOCC1: >HELO nodeid.BITNET >TICK 0001 >MAIL FROM:<userid@nodeid.BITNET> >RCPT TO:<netlib@lakesys.UUCP> >DATA >Date: Mon, 25 Jul 88 21:50:05 SET >To: netlib@lakesys.UUCP >From: userid@nodeid.BITNET > >send index from archives.atari > >. >QUIT Maybe this helps others a little. Bitnet: VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1 Volker A. Brandt UUCP: ...!unido!DBNUAMA1.bitnet!vbrandt Angewandte Mathematik ARPAnet: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Bonn, West Germany)