"chaz_heritage.WGC1RX"@XEROX.COM (07/29/88)
In his 26 Jul 88 15:36:55 GMT Tomas G. Rokicki writes: >Us? Americans, parochial? Where does that damned foreigner get off? Calling us parochial! Simply because the best ... cars... are made in the good old US of A...< Sir: Rolls-Royce. Regards, Chaz
rokicki@polya.Stanford.EDU (Tomas G. Rokicki) (07/30/88)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Info-Atari16 Digest V88 #330 Summary: Expires: References: <880729-080043-5244@Xerox> Sender: Reply-To: rokicki@polya.Stanford.EDU (Tomas G. Rokicki) Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Stanford University Keywords: .. Us? Americans, parochial? Where does that damned foreigner get off? .. Calling us parochial! Simply because the best ... cars... are made in .. the goodold US of A... . . Sir: . . Rolls-Royce. . . Regards, . . Chaz Well, the British aren't known for their sense of humor, now, are they? -tom
kurth@sco.COM (Kurt Hutchison) (08/02/88)
If I had to cite which country makes the best cars, neither the U.S. or G. Britain would near the top of the list. Germany (mercedes, porsche), Italy (Ferrari, Lamborghini), and Japan (cheap reliable cars) would be my list. American cars are getting better but the reliability is still significantly behind Japan and Germany (Consumer reports). Rolls Royces are a Joke (my opinion). Comparable to a Billion Dollar Barge, they are big, heavy and slow, and are virtually indestructible. They are years behind in the usage of state-of the art technology both in manufacturing and design (why pay for hand-built when a machine can do it better). In all fairness, RR's are a good investment in a car, they hold their value well. Real estate does better though. Mercedes has the best engineering in the world (from interviews with engineers who work at American car companies), Porsche is not far behind. Depends on what kind of car you want. Sorry about a serious response to facetious messages but American cars? Rolls Royces? Really! If I had to compare computers with cars, IBM would be the Americans (has most of the U.S. market with mediocre machines), The Mac would be Honda (decent and sells a lot), and the Amiga would be Volkswagen (good cars, higher performance in basic models, and more maintenance (The OS is better but more complicated)). The ST is undeniably the Hundai of the computer world. :-) There aren't any computers that come to mind as Ferrari's or Porsche's. Maybe a screamin' 25 MHZ 386. Computer technology just changes too rapidly for me to associate it with such venerable names as Porsche and Ferrari. You can't speak the name Intel (or Motorola or National) with the same reverence as you can when you say "PORSCHE"! When you say "Porsche", you've said it all... - kurth -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kurt Hutchison The Santa Cruz Operation Software Engineer Trumpet player, synth player, pianist, cyclist, philosopher at large The above opinions (if any) are my own
brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) (08/03/88)
In article <470@scolex> kurth@sco.COM (Kurt Hutchison) writes: >If I had to compare computers with cars, IBM would be the Americans >(has most of the U.S. market with mediocre machines), The Mac would be >Honda (decent and sells a lot), and the Amiga would be Volkswagen (good >cars, higher performance in basic models, and more maintenance (The OS is >better but more complicated)). > >The ST is undeniably the Hundai of the computer world. :-) Bad analogies, I would say. The Mac is an overpriced machine with a bit of sexiness and yuppie appeal. Perhaps like a BMW. The Amiga is hardly a VW, since VWs are both very popular and quite reliable. The Amiga is more like a Lotus - zippy, for hobbyists and needing lots of maintenence. The Atari is like a cheap Citroen. Sells well in Europe, but not marketed in the USA. But otherwise it is like that Korean car. IBMs is impossible to place. It used to be like the Rolls Royce - solid, slightly old technology that's expensive but very reliable and well supported. But now they're the ones making innovations while the clones stay put. (Innovations in the PC world, that is.) -- Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473
rob@kaa.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rob Carriere) (08/04/88)
In article <1896@looking.UUCP> brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) writes: >The Atari is like a cheap Citroen. Sells well in Europe, but not marketed >in the USA. But otherwise it is like that Korean car. So we all start calling our ST's Ugly Ducks (I assume that's the Citroen you had in mind -- officially called the Deux Cheveaux [two horses, a reflection on the original engine power]--) :-) Rob Carriere
wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (08/05/88)
OK, OK, I know this doesn't really belong in comp.sys.atari.st, but I just HAD to reply! In article <470@scolex>, kurth@sco.COM (Kurt Hutchison) writes: > Germany (mercedes, porsche), Italy (Ferrari, Lamborghini), and Japan (cheap > reliable cars) would be my list. Germany? Overrated cars at vastly inflated prices. Italy? Rolling works of art, but the engineering is only so-so (reliability IS a part of engineering, you know), and the ergonomics are generally LOUSY. Japan is doing their usual job of taking anything anyone else can build and building it much, much better, and cheaper. Unless the dollar keeps sliding against the yen. > Mercedes has the best engineering in the world (from interviews > with engineers who work at American car companies), Porsche is not far > behind. Depends on what kind of car you want. Hah. BS. Honda has the most advanced R&D in the world, bar none. What other company can produce an engine with OVAL PISTONS and make the piston rings seal? At 18,000 rpm? This engine, of course, was in the NS500 gran prix motorcycle. It was the most amazing thing... Not to mention the RC125, a 125cc 5 cylinder 4-stroke that produced 37 horsepower. Power band was from 18,000 rpm to 24,000 rpm, and it was tuned so closely that riding it from sunlight to shade would cause it to backfire. Then there was the FWS1000, that produced so much horsepower every time the rider banged the throttle open, the bike would spit chunks of rubber off the back tire. This was an 8" wide racing slick, mind you! > If I had to compare computers with cars, IBM would be the Americans > (has most of the U.S. market with mediocre machines), No argument there. > The Mac would be Honda (decent and sells a lot), No, the Mac would be a BMW/Mercedes. Good car, a few stupidities crept into the design, generally excellent workmanship, WAY overpriced. > The Amiga would be Volkswagen (good > cars, higher performance in > basic models, and more maintenance (The OS is better but more complicated)). Well, a Volkswagen on steriods (spelled P-O-R-S-C-H-E). Generally good, fast, sexy, but irritating in some ways. Like the enormous AmigaDOS system calls that make programming it tedious. Or like the 911's annoying drop-throttle surge - much worse than the Ferrari 308 even. > The ST is undeniably the Hundai of the computer world. :-) Nah, be fair. The ST is undeniably the Fiero GT of the computer world. Much promise, looks really good, but the company just wasn't willing to make it all that it could be. Maybe the Flying Ts, and the GM upper management, should join the Army? > There aren't any computers that come to mind as Ferrari's or Porsche's. > Maybe a screamin' 25 MHZ 386. Computer technology just changes too rapidly > for me to associate it with such venerable names as Porsche and Ferrari. > You can't speak the name Intel (or Motorola or National) with the same > reverence as you can when you say "PORSCHE"! You say "Porshe" with reverence, huh? Yuk. A screaming 25 Mhz 386 would tend to remind me of a Lambo - fast, brutal, and ugly. A Ferrari? How 'bout the Testarossa vs. and SGI Iris workstation? An early Sun workstation and the 206GT Dino? I could go on, but won't, since I'll probably get lynched for this posting anyhow. > When you say "Porsche", you've said it all... .......you've said "Volkswagen" :-) :-) Wes Peters (One of these days, I'll own that Dino...) -- {hpda, uwmcsd1}!sp7040!obie!wes "Happiness lies in being priviledged to work hard for long hours in doing whatever you think is worth doing." -- Robert A. Heinlein --
Jack.Sumner@rubbs1.FIDONET.ORG (Jack Sumner) (08/12/88)
how can that be? i think all the computers are very much alike. atari is hundai? no way. an atari can compete with a ibm. but a hundai could never could compete with a benz. /s -- Jack Sumner - via FidoNet node 1:107/330 UUCP: ...!rutgers!rubbs1!Jack.Sumner ARPA: Jack.Sumner@rubbs1.FIDONET.ORG \...!rutgers!rubbs1!Jack.Sumner
donl@glass.SGI.COM (donl mathis) (08/20/88)
In article <134@obie.UUCP>, wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) writes: > You say "Porshe" with reverence, huh? Yuk. A screaming 25 Mhz 386 > would tend to remind me of a Lambo - fast, brutal, and ugly. A Ferrari? > How 'bout the Testarossa vs. and SGI Iris workstation? An early Sun Interesting analogy. Wait till you see the NEXT Iris! -- - donl mathis at Silicon Graphics Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA {sun,pyramid,adobe,decwrl,ucbvax,allegra,research}!sgi!donl donl@sgi.com