saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) (08/15/88)
I have umoria from the comp.sources.games distribution working well enough that I'm finally confident that it can be fixed up completely for the ST (maybe not 520K memory, though). I doubt that I'm the only one in this position (or farther along). So in a week or so, unless someone stops me, I'll be sending binaries to Steve Grimm. The question is what to do about sources: the original posting was 18 parts, which seems excessive. I'm inclined to post ordinary diffs and the few new functions I had to add. If anyone has a pointer to a publicly distributable context diff generator for the ST, this might be a good time to mention it. At best, umoria is fragile enough and complex enough that one wants sources somehow. By the way, my adaptation is compiled with Mark Williams C V 3.0.6. Anyhow, what do we do about long sources slightly modified from other newsgroups?
hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) (08/18/88)
Would've been nice to know this was coming ahead of time, then I would've
saved the copy of umoria sources we got. I think you're best bet is to
send the sources to the moderator as well. It's easy enough to generate
context diffs on your nearest Unix box, but it's a bit harder for most
ST users to apply them. (Anyone working on porting Larry Wall's patch
program?)
This gives me an idea - p'raps people might want to start posting about
their current ST programming projects? Would give a greater indication of
an interested community, and also allows for people working on similar
things to connect with each other. At least, you'll know not to try to
duplicate someone else's effort. At best, you could collaborate and come
up with something Really Good a lot sooner.
Just to start, I could mention that I'm working with GNU's gcc, aiming
at getting it running on TOS and Minix. I know someone has ported the KA9Q
TCP/IP package to the ST finally, though they haven't been talking about it
here, and I haven't seen mention of the source for that yet. A few people
have casually mentioned NetHack 2.3. Has a bug fixed version ever appeared?
Other things I'd like to get working are GNU Make and RCS. (Which would
require working versions of diff and diff3, at least.) Anyone else doing
something they feel like talking about?
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' Unix Project Information Systemsacn@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jon Brode) (08/18/88)
Why don't you post the sources to an ftp site? That way, anyone who wants them can get at them and it won't "waste bandwidth". Jon Brode -- acn@caen.engin.umich.edu
juancho@dgp.toronto.edu (John Buchanan) (08/18/88)
In article <401@clio.math.lsa.umich.edu> hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes: >This gives me an idea - p'raps people might want to start posting about >their current ST programming projects? Would give a greater indication of >an interested community, and also allows for people working on similar >things to connect with each other. At least, you'll know not to try to >duplicate someone else's effort. At best, you could collaborate and come >up with something Really Good a lot sooner. This is a good idea. We have all had a good bash at atari. Now as the smoke clears lets make the best of this machine. I am currently working on a port of the jove editor. I am mostly done, but will have to set it aside for now in order to finish the thesis. John W. Buchanan Dynamic Graphics Project Computer Systems Research Institute University of Toronto (416) 978-6619 Toronto, Ontario M5S 1A4 BITNET: juancho@explorer.dgp.utoronto EAN: juancho@explorer.dgp.toronto.cdn UUCP: ...!mcvax!explorer.dgp.toronto.edu!juancho
to_stdnet@stag.UUCP (08/19/88)
From: dal@syntel.UUCP (Dale Schumacher) [acn@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jon Brode) writes...] > Why don't you post the sources to an ftp site? That way, anyone who wants > them can get at them and it won't "waste bandwidth". Pardon my ignorance, but HOW can "anyone who wants them" (ie. ME) get at them from an ftp site without ftp! My node is an ST running UUMAIL and getting news repackaged as mail from my host system, and with a daemon on the host posting as news any messages sent to a special user. I can access file servers, like netlib@lakesys, via mail, but I don't know how to get something from an ftp site. Please enlighten me. -- Dale Schumacher 399 Beacon Ave. (alias: Dalnefre') St. Paul, MN 55104 ...bungia!stag!syntel!dal United States of America "Man who says, 'It cannot be done', should not interrupt man who is doing it." -Ancient Chinese Proverb
7103_300@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith) (08/20/88)
In article <401@clio.math.lsa.umich.edu>, hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes: > Just to start, I could mention that I'm working with GNU's gcc, aiming > at getting it running on TOS and Minix. I know someone has ported the KA9Q > TCP/IP package to the ST finally, though they haven't been talking about it > here, and I haven't seen mention of the source for that yet. A few people > have casually mentioned NetHack 2.3. Has a bug fixed version ever appeared? > Other things I'd like to get working are GNU Make and RCS. (Which would > require working versions of diff and diff3, at least.) Anyone else doing > something they feel like talking about? I've got NetHack 2.3 working on the ST. I want to give it a little time to settle (i.e. to make *sure* all those bugs are out) before posting it, but it seems to be working pretty well. It's *big*, though; nearly 400K just for the executable. Would people rather see a "pared down" version that will run on 520's, or should we go for the full 2.3? -- Eric R. Smith email: Dept. of Mathematics 7103_300@uwovax.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario 7103_300@uwovax.bitnet London, Ont. Canada N6A 5B7 (a shared mailbox: put my name on ph: (519) 661-3638 the Subj: line, please!)
wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) (08/20/88)
In article <401@clio.math.lsa.umich.edu>, hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes: > Anyone else doing something they feel like talking about? I (and a couple of friends) are working on UUPC/ST, porting it to Mark Williams C, and doing a lot of cleaning in the process. Quite a bit of the original DCP and UUPC code for the ST was concerned with adding functions that weren't present in Alcyon C, or fixing functions that didn't work in Alcyon C. We are deleting these types of functions, and using the MWC library routines. Once this effort is done, Minix should be here, and we will try to port the UUPC stuff to Minix for the ST. That will allow us to have STs running both OSs communicate with each other, and with the rest of the (rapidly growing) UUCP network around here. -- {hpda, uwmcsd1}!sp7040!obie!wes "Happiness lies in being priviledged to work hard for long hours in doing whatever you think is worth doing." -- Robert A. Heinlein --
BUGGS@cup.portal.com (08/21/88)
How do we simple users who only have access to Portal download all these wonderful files? Ed June
ins_bjjb@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Jared J Brennan) (08/22/88)
In article <602@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7103_300@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith) writes: >In article <401@clio.math.lsa.umich.edu>, hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes: > [Various info/questions about utilities being ported to the ST, > then a question about ST NetHack] > >I've got NetHack 2.3 working on the ST. I want to give it a little time >to settle (i.e. to make *sure* all those bugs are out) before posting it, >but it seems to be working pretty well. It's *big*, though; nearly 400K >just for the executable. Would people rather see a "pared down" version >that will run on 520's, or should we go for the full 2.3? >-- >Eric R. Smith email: >Dept. of Mathematics 7103_300@uwovax.uwo.ca >University of Western Ontario 7103_300@uwovax.bitnet >London, Ont. Canada N6A 5B7 (a shared mailbox: put my name on >ph: (519) 661-3638 the Subj: line, please!) Well, since there is already a "pared down" version (ST Hack v1.03) it isn't necessary to chop up ST NetHack. If you did "pare down" NetHack, you'd probably end up with a lot of complaints from people who assumed the "pd" 8-) (visual joke summary: "pared down" = "pd" = "public domain" [so much for humor]) version was the only one available. -- Jared J. Brennan BITNET: INS_BJJB@JHUVMS, INS_BJJB@JHUNIX ARPA: ins_bjjb%jhunix@hopkins.ARPA UUCP: {allegra!hopkins, ihnp4!whuxcc} !jhunix!ins_bjjb "You kids get outta my yard!" DISCLAIMER: I'm really PO'ed today, so ignore most of what I write.
weber@incas.UUCP (Markus Weber AG Nehmer) (08/22/88)
In article <401@clio.math.lsa.umich.edu> hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes: > (Anyone working on porting Larry Wall's patch program?) Yup. BTW, I've hacked hdiff (posted ages ago) to produce new-style context diffs (and made -b work). >here, and I haven't seen mention of the source for that yet. A few people >have casually mentioned NetHack 2.3. Has a bug fixed version ever appeared? As far as games are concerned, I've a robust version of Nethack 1.4. Other ported game postings include robots, world, advsys and adl. Please note that this version of adl supports >64K of code space. Go ahead, dig a deep dungeon... Sooner or later, I'll tackle warp. >Other things I'd like to get working are GNU Make and RCS. (Which would >require working versions of diff and diff3, at least.) I'm about to release a clone of RCS. Well, it doesn't know about revision trees and there's no equivalent of rcsmerge, but about everything else is there. Other things I've ported include compress (true 16 bit) and sed (taken from comp.os.minix). People around here are working on bison, flex and perl. BTW, there's yet another undocumented MWC feature: try "diff -e foo bar". Markus Weber UUCP: ...!uunet!unido!uklirb!incas!weber PS: I'm using MWC (usual disclaimer: I'm nothing but a very satisfied customer...) and everything mentioned above will run in connection with MWC's msh or (probably) gulam.
trb@stag.UUCP ( Todd Burkey ) (08/22/88)
In article <158@obie.UUCP> wes@obie.UUCP (Barnacle Wes) writes: > >Once this effort is done, Minix should be here, and we will try to port >the UUPC stuff to Minix for the ST. That will allow us to have STs >running both OSs communicate with each other, and with the rest of the >(rapidly growing) UUCP network around here. > You might want to try out UUMAIL (PD UUCP/UUCICO/UUX/MAIL/ETC all rolled into one PD program for the ST.) It makes the ST into a networking UUCP host (i.e. you don't have to just be a leaf node). We are using it locally in Minnesota within a network of about 14 ST's connected to several Unix sites (stag.UUCP for most of us). With the 'cron'-like program that one of our developers wrote, you have pretty much the same functionality for mail and news<->mail forwarding that a Unix system has. Plus UUMAIL can even be polled by a Unix system if necessary, since UUMAIL runs in host mode with normal Unix login/password/Shere prompts... The only thing currently missing is a port of news 2.11 and rn over to the ST (along with batching and all the necessary utilities for moving and managing news). -Todd Burkey "A member of STdNET - The ST developers' Network" trb@stag.UUCP ->To join (and/or get UUMAIL) write: stag!ftg!dwm<-
saj@chinet.UUCP (Stephen Jacobs) (08/23/88)
I said I'd send koreth the umoria executable about today, so I'd like to make my excuse for its present status. I hope to fix the last bug I'm aware of tonight. The program works well enough for me to have done more than 30 hours of 'testing' in the last week. (this delayed completion both in the obvious way and by turning up a few small buglets). So it'll be out soon, I promise. In connection with Howard Chu's suggestion that we tell what we've got coming: I've been working for about 10 months on a Mandelbrot set drawing program. It iterates 10,000 times /second with 30 bit accuracy, runs under GEM in all resolutions and saves pictures in DEGAS format (with a bit of visible header). I'm inclined to post executable as a freebie, and ask for a bit of money for source and future upgrades. randy asked us to get out the word that chinet is just chinet again, chinet.chi.il.us just didn't work out (don't know why).
saj@chinet.UUCP (Stephen Jacobs) (08/26/88)
I've started posting the ST version of umoria. It will be on the general
order of 5 parts of text files and 10 parts of executable. It will absolutely
not run with less than a meg of memory (sorry: even on the VAX it's a notorious
hogxD). It's going to be a bit of a trick even to uudecode and unarc for
those with only 1 floppy drive and 1 meg, so please be very cooperative with
your neighbors once you have it running.
After seeing all the announcements of people's projects and how far along
they are, I guess it's going to be an exciting couple months ahead.
And about that source: my sysadm said he wouldn't even have to deny me
mail privileges if I posted it...his mail host would cut us all off. I'm
offering to US mail it to any archive WHICH I CAN ACCESS DIRECTLY USING
UNITERM, OR WHICH I CAN USE THROUGH chinet. That means not ftp-only,for
the most part. But they should mail me (saj@chinet) and ask (and give me
a US mail address, of course). I will try to post ordinary diffs against
the distributed version to the sources group (unless that context diff
program appears first).