PETCHER@FSU.BITNET (09/02/88)
I posted a version of this once but never saw it appear, so here goes again. In article 1390 Dave.Douglass@rubbs1.FIDONET.ORG (Dave Douglass) says: >I'm looking for a decent command shell on the ST. I've found out >that there is a lot of crap out there. I have Gulam, and I'm not >happy with it because I don't want EMACs and I want to be able to >set the tab stops (why is this such a RARE feature in Atari ST [Stuff deleted] >Can anyone tell me about the Micro C shell or the MT C shell? >Are they worth the money? Is there a decent version of Vi [more deleted] >Dave Douglass Computer Sciences Corporation Piscataway, NJ 08854 >.....!rutgers!rubbs1!dave.douglass (201) 981-9119 x6417 and in article 1423 daanjj@neabbs.UUCP (DAAN JITTA) replies: >Dave, > >The package you are looking for is called CRAFT. CRAFT contains a >very good shell (called "GPshell") and editor (called "STedi"), >the last one completely written in assembler (FAST!). [Description deleted] > As an extremely satisfied user, I just want to second the fact that Craft is an excellent product. Anyone interested in a Unix C shell environment should check it out. It is almost 100% compatible with the Unix C shell (I'm repeating Daan, aren't I? no multitasking though) with some very nice extras such as a built in ramdisk, and disk cache that can be created or removed from the shell, and an editable history mechanism similar to VMS. I am curious as to why almost no mention of the GPshell or Craft has made it to the net, while I often see references to the Beckemeyer Micro C shell, gulam (understandable since it is public domain) and others. Doesn't anyone else out there own the Craft package? If someone has a copy of all three of these shells perhaps you could make a comparison and post to the net. I am sure many would be interested. Although I don't have the micro C shell myself and I have only briefly used gulam, I wouldn't be at all surprised from what I have heard if Craft's GPshell comes out well on top. Anyone up for making the comparison? This is not to mention Craft's excellent editor STedi (see my recent posting). Leave it to say that STedi is faster, more usable and easily as powerful as microemacs or the vi clones available, and contains some features that none of these have. Heck, if you are really stuck on the keyboard commands of microemacs (not for you of course, Dave) or some other editor, you can reconfigure STedi to emulate them without sacrificing any of the speed. But personally I find the already built in commands superior. Anyone in the market for a Unix shell, especially someone who is not happy with the other editors available would be doing himself a favor to check out Craft. > >CRAFT comes with an extensive manual (in english, over 600 pages) >and costs Fl 395,- (about $200). The manufacturer is: > > ComMedia > Leidsekade 98 > NL-1017 PP Amsterdam > The Netherlands > tel. 020-231740 > >Daan Josephus Jitta ( neabbs!daanjj@telmail.uucp ) > >Disclaimer: I have nothing to do with ComMedia, I'm only a VERY >satisfied beta tester. > Don Petcher Supercomputing Computations Research Institute Florida State University Disclaimer: I have no relation with ComMedia either other than we purchased a couple copies of Craft from them. They even mail order across the pond.