[comp.sys.atari.st] Seeking ST & ST MIDI info

jacobson@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu (12/19/88)

I have a friend who is looking for a computer to do MIDI work with. He is
looking at either the ST or Amiga.  Myself I have the Amiga, so I am not
well versed on the ST but I do know of its strong history in the MIDI and
Music area so I am recommending he at least look at it seriously.
 
I have some concerns about the things I have read here over the net about
apparent problems of company support, lagging sales and efforts in the US.
I have read also those notes (and have heard elsewhere) of what looks like
a large exodus of ST developers away from the machine.  What I would like
to know for the sake of my friend is more definate information about what
the facts are concerning the lack of dealers (and support), whether the
desertions by developers are as bad as some say, and so on.  I am concerned
if the notes and rumors I hear are at all true, then I should forwarn my
friend of the "orphaning of the ST".  Support in terms of developers and
dealers is getting strong for the Amiga, but these notes I read here make
me wonder about the ST. I know that the dealership support here in
Champaign Urbana has been pretty absent (I believe the "dealer" is an ST
enthusiast who sells "mailorder" stuff out of his home but I don't hear
much about him). At the same time I remember early during the ST-Amiga
Wars the rumors and iduendos about Commodores problems, potential demise,
and the persistent myth about software lack that was hard to shake even
once the software became abundant. So I want to make informed recommendations
to my friend about his choice of a first computer, one hopefully that is
in the market firmly in terms of dealer/company/developer support. So if
the negative stuff I have read/heard is exaggerated I would like to hear
so from you who know your ST and where it currently stands. I would
appreciate email on what you know about the real facts on Atari Support,
dealership problems (such as lack of), developer support (new software or
if developers have largely abandoned the ST?). I don't want to make the 
mistake of taking what could be merely rumors/bad press to my friend as
he decides on a computer.  I like people to make informed decisions on
computer choices- not colored by rumors, company propaganda, etc.
 
Also if anyone of you out there have a list of ST music software, with 
descriptions of what it does I would like to get a email copy (if you
have such in a file on your systems).  I have given my friend several
long lists of the daily growing Amiga music stuff, but I know that with
the built in MIDI port, and the ST's initial lower price,  many musicians
went for it strongly and the software appears to be a little more
mature for the ST.  Any information on MIDI software for the ST would be
much appreciated (lists, reviews, and the such).
 
Thanks for your time in reading this, and for any information you can 
email me that I could give to my friend. I think both the ST and Amiga are
the best computer choices out there, but I would like for more information
on the negative things I have mentioned above in order to have a hopefully
better informed perspective on what is really true.  Rumors of the negative
type tend to grow and get enlarged out of perspective, and I am wondering
if this is the case for the ST.
 
Russ Jacobson
615 E. Peabody Drive
Illinois Geological Survey
Champaign, IL 61820
 
217-244-2425
(office)

217-384-6983
(home)

jacobson@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu (12/19/88)

Since I wrote this note I did have a chance to talk to the local "dealer"
(he only sells 1040's and 520's, Megas cost too much for him to meet
dealer requirements). He indicated to me that the "developer exodus" is
mainly US.  Since Atari has currently concentrated on the European market
where they can sell most of what they make, the US market is pretty
negletected for now (he has hard time even getting 1040's). He seemed to
feel that European sales and software development are where most things
are going on. He hopes that someday the US development of software will
pick up again, but did indicate that most of it was low to dead for now.
Again I am interested in any more details on this----and if anyone can
confirm the info I got from the local dealer (who is an ST enthusiast and
student at U of I).
 
Also he indicated to me that my friend who wants to do MIDI applications 
should plan at least on the 1040, since the better applications need 1 MEG
to operate fully.  Is this correct, or could he get by with a 1040.  The
price on a 1040 is too high for his budget (the dealer can only get a few
and cost is high right now).  Thus if he chooses ST could he get by with
a 520 ST for MIDI applications??????
 
Also below you can find my net addresses, forgot to put up when I sent this
note yesterday.

jacobson@uiucuxe
jacobson%uiucuxe@a.cs.uiuc.edu
jacobson%uiucuxe@uiuc.csnet
[ihnp4,pur-ee,convex]!uiucdcs!uiucuxc!uiucuxe!jacobson

saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) (12/19/88)

On a related topic to the referenced article: There are A LOT of MIDI 'toy
keyboards' around suddenly.  I'm talking about Casio and Yamaha PCM key-  
boards in the $150 range.  Are these of any value to a non-musician who'd
like a 'digital jukebox'?  Are they of any interest to a musician (I'm
thinking especially of a professional player of the Fender-Rhodes electric
piano, a device with excellent tone but no dynamics to speak of)?

rona@hpdml93.HP.COM (ron abramson) (12/22/88)

I don't have time to reply to this note but, I JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF!!!

IN MY OPINION:

There is plenty of good software available for the ST.  Also, most of
this software is very reasonably priced!

I've rarely had to contact Atari directly so I can't evaluate their
support.  Once when I did ask for the answer to a question, someone from
Atari called me back in less than a week and I was satisfied.  Thank
you, Atari.  Most of the support I've needed has come from fellow users
and they have been GREAT!  If your friend has access to the net and/or a
users group, I can't see that support will be too much of a problem unless
he plans to do something far more technical than I've attempted.

I'm not sure if developers are abandoning the Atari, could that be
because there is a pretty good base of software already available?  For
just about any standard application you can name, I can probably mention
a good (maybe not great) software product that will meet the needs of
most users.  So, maybe that's the reason?  Would you develop another "C"
compiler when there are already several top quality compilers available?

I can't recommend MIDI software because I don't use the stuff.  But really,
I just have to get back to work!  All in all, the Atari still seems like
a pretty good value to me.


					Ron Abramson

P.S. Insert standard disclamer