jwd@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (03/07/89)
Could someone tell me what the difference is between the Adaptec 4000 and 4000A hard disk controller cards? And will either one work in combination with an ICD host adaptor and MFM drive? Thanks. -Jon Dunn jwd@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu
rthurlow@van-bc.UUCP (Rob Thurlow) (03/08/89)
In article <36500062@iuvax> jwd@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu writes: >Could someone tell me what the difference is between the Adaptec >4000 and 4000A hard disk controller cards? And will either one >work in combination with an ICD host adaptor and MFM drive? NO! The Adaptec 4000A is a combination of the Adaptec 4000 and 4010 interface cards, according to the Adaptec 40xx series manual. You don't want an Adaptec 4000 at all - either the 4000A or the 4070 will work fine. -- "There was something fishy about the butler. I think he was a Pisces, probably working for scale." - Nick Danger Robert Thurlow {uunet,ubc-cs}!van-bc!rthurlow Vancouver, BC, Canada or rthurlow@van-bc.UUCP In the heart of Kitsilano or rthurlow@wimsey.bc.ca
Allanon@cup.portal.com (Arnie W Elkins) (03/08/89)
As I understand it, the 4000 is the MFM controller, and the 4000A is the RLL version. The 4000 works fine with the ICD host adapter and an MFM drive--I use the ICD host adapter and a Seagate ST 251-1. Arnie Elkins Allanon@cup.portal.com or sun!cup.portal.com!allanon
a146@mindlink.UUCP (Chun Lee Wong) (03/09/89)
Sorry to say but the 4000 and the 4000A are both MFM controllers. The Adaptec 4070 is the RLL controller. I'm using an Omti 3520 controller which is MFM and came as part of my ICD kit.
clf3678@ultb.UUCP (C.L. Freemesser) (03/10/89)
Let's see if we can get this straight. The Adaptek 4000 and 4000A are the MFM controllers. The Adaptek 4070 and 4070A are the RLL controllers. I THINK the A is just a revision of the older 4000/4070. =cf=
ritchie@hpldola.HP.COM (Dave Ritchie) (03/10/89)
>/ hpldola:comp.sys.atari.st / Allanon@cup.portal.com (Arnie W Elkins) / 1:10 am Mar 8, 1989 / >As I understand it, the 4000 is the MFM controller, and the 4000A is the >RLL version. The 4000 works fine with the ICD host adapter and an >MFM drive--I use the ICD host adapter and a Seagate ST 251-1. > >Arnie Elkins >Allanon@cup.portal.com >or >sun!cup.portal.com!allanon >---------- Isn't the 4070 the RLL controller? Dave
ajy2208@ultb.UUCP (A.J. Yarusso) (03/10/89)
NONONO!! ======== The Adaptek 4000a is an MFM controller card. The 4070 is RLL. I have both boards, but I have never heard of an Adaptek 4000. I'm sure one exists, perhaps it was an earlier version of the 4000a?? Both the 4000a and the 4070 work reliably with the ICD Host Adapter. They also work fine with the ICD MIO board for the 8-bit (for anyone who might be interested).. Albert Yarusso Bitnet: ajy2208@ritvax (preferred) Usenet: ajy2208@ultb.rit.edu
rthurlow@van-bc.UUCP (Rob Thurlow) (03/11/89)
In article <404@ultb.UUCP> clf3678@ultb.UUCP (C.L. Freemesser (709ITP)) writes: >Let's see if we can get this straight. > >The Adaptek 4000 and 4000A are the MFM controllers. >The Adaptek 4070 and 4070A are the RLL controllers. > >I THINK the A is just a revision of the older 4000/4070. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, people, check your facts! This thread could result in a lot of people buying the wrong card. I quote from the Adaptec "ACB-4000 Series User's Manual": "The ACB-4000A Controller ... supports SCSI features and controls two Winchester drives. The ACB-4000A also supports both hard-sectored and soft-sectored removable drives, as well as all ST506/412 type fixed drives. The ACB-4000A was previously known as two separate products, the ACB-4000 and the ACB-4010. It is fully compatible with these products." The inescapable conclusion I come to after reading that is that the Adaptec 4000 (no 'A') is NOT complete, and that you would need the 4010 as well to get a working system. If this is wrong, someone with a 4000 (no 'A') should break their silence and put us straight about the differences. DO NOT BUY AN ADAPTEC 4000 unless you know how it differs from the 4000A, because the 4000A is the one people are running. Buy an Adaptec 4000A for MFM and a 4070 for RLL; that *works* (I have the former sitting directly in front of me). There does not appear to have ever been an Adaptec 4070. This "I THINK" crap is just going to cause trouble; if you don't have it, BTFM or CTFM so that you can RTFM. -- "There was something fishy about the butler. I think he was a Pisces, probably working for scale." - Nick Danger Robert Thurlow {uunet,ubc-cs}!van-bc!rthurlow Vancouver, BC, Canada or rthurlow@van-bc.UUCP In the heart of Kitsilano or rthurlow@wimsey.bc.ca
jlong@afit-ab.arpa (Jeffrey K. Long) (03/13/89)
I have a basic question along the same line as this thread is going, (I think). I have the chance to get a CDC WREN-I 36 Meg drive. Qustion: Is this drive (it is supposed to have an ST-506 interface) compatible with the ICD or Supra adapters and if so, which controller will I need for it? Please reply soon, as I need to close the deal for the drive ASAP. Thanks for any tips, warnings or encouragement! Jeff Long
al@tolerant.UUCP (Albert Palmer) (03/13/89)
The 4000 will work fine with the ST. The main thing the 4000A adds is removable media. I have built hard drives using both the 4000 and the 4000A, and have had no problems. I use the 4000A because were I buy them, the 4000s are old (down rev). The 4000A costs about 50% more. What I would like to see is a list of ALL the SCSI drives that will work. I know the Seagate N drives work fine. What other drives are in use? al
dlm@druwy.ATT.COM (Dan Moore) (03/14/89)
in article <2312@van-bc.UUCP>, rthurlow@van-bc.UUCP (Rob Thurlow) says: > In article <404@ultb.UUCP> clf3678@ultb.UUCP (C.L. Freemesser (709ITP)) writes: >>Let's see if we can get this straight. >> >>The Adaptek 4000 and 4000A are the MFM controllers. >>The Adaptek 4070 and 4070A are the RLL controllers. >> >>I THINK the A is just a revision of the older 4000/4070. > > NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Please, people, check your facts! Your right. People should check their facts before posting. The 4000 and 4000A are both 100% compatible with the ST. You can even format drives on one and use them on the other. Dan Moore AT&T Bell Labs Denver dlm@druwy.ATT.COM dlm@druhi.ATT.COM
rthurlow@van-bc.UUCP (Rob Thurlow) (03/14/89)
In article <4021@tolerant.UUCP> al@tolerant.UUCP (Albert Palmer) writes: >The 4000 will work fine with the ST. The main thing the 4000A adds is >removable media.... So, now I know. So the list is: Adaptec 4000 - good if cheap and you don't want to use Bernoulli's Adaptec 4000A - the currently popular board Adaptec 4070 - if you KNOW that your media is good enough to withstand the extra rigours of RLL >What I would like to see is a list of ALL the SCSI drives that will >work. I know the Seagate N drives work fine. What other drives are >in use? That I can do. This is the "ICDFMT.DAT" file from ICD, which lists all drives that ICD has used with their host adaptors and software. The parameter fields are number of heads, number of cylinders, cylinder at which to use reduced write current, cylinder at which to start using write precompensation, landing zone cylinder, and style of step-rate to use. How it's of some use. I also have a (hard-copy) list of supported drives from Berkeley Microsystems with more drive parameters. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Hd Cyl RW Pc Zone SR d CMI CM-5205 02 0256 0256 0256 0256 02 d CMI CM-5410 04 0256 0256 0256 0256 02 d CMI CM-5616 06 0256 0256 0256 0256 02 d Fuji FK305-26 04 0615 0615 0615 0615 02 d Fuji FK305-39 06 0615 0615 0615 0615 02 d Fuji FK305-39R 04 0615 0615 0615 0615 02 d Fuji FK305-58R 06 0615 0615 0615 0615 02 d Fuji FK308S-39R 04 0615 0615 0615 0615 02 d Fuji FK308S-58R 06 0615 0615 0615 0615 02 d Fujitsu M2226D 06 0615 0615 0615 0615 02 d Fujitsu M2227D 08 0615 0615 0615 0615 02 d Fujitsu M2242AS2 07 0754 0754 0754 0754 02 d Fujitsu M2243AS2 11 0754 0754 0754 0754 02 d Fujitsu M2243T/TR 07 1185 1185 1185 1185 02 d Kyocera 20b/30b 04 0615 0615 0615 0656 02 d Kyocera 20a/30a 04 0616 0616 0616 0656 02 d Lapine LT200 04 0616 0616 0616 0656 02 d Lapine LT300 04 0616 0616 0616 0656 02 d Lapine LT2000 04 0615 0615 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I think he was a Pisces, probably working for scale." - Nick Danger Robert Thurlow {uunet,ubc-cs}!van-bc!rthurlow Vancouver, BC, Canada or rthurlow@van-bc.UUCP In the heart of Kitsilano or rthurlow@wimsey.bc.ca
ajy2208@ultb.UUCP (A.J. Yarusso) (03/15/89)
I am absolutely positive that the Adaptek 4000A controller board is MFM and the 4070 is RLL. I have both of these boards and have formatted hard drives using both of them. Please don't confuse them when looking for a controller board!! You'd be very disappointed if you bought an MFM controller for an RLL compatible drive!! (you wouldn't get the maximum storage capacity)... Albert Yarusso Bitnet: ajy2208@ritvax (preferred) Usenet: ajy2208@ultb.rit.edu
Allanon@cup.portal.com (Arnie W Elkins) (03/17/89)
Ok ok....I screwed up! Sorry for adding to the confusion. The board I
have is the 4000A, the MFM version. Others have been quite correct in
saying that the 4070 is the RLL version. So shoot me, okay? But make
it quick, before they outlaw your guns...(note lack of smiley)
Arnie Elkins
Allanon@cup.portal.com
"The mind is the most dangerous weapon of all. Don't be surprised if
it is the next thing to be banned."
John W. Ellis IIIjrd@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.SYMBOLICS.COM (John R. Dunning) (03/19/89)
Date: 13 Mar 89 15:06:18 GMT
From: tolerant!al@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Albert Palmer)
[...]
What I would like to see is a list of ALL the SCSI drives that will
work. I know the Seagate N drives work fine. What other drives are
in use?
I just put together a system with an Adaptec 4000A and a Maxtor 1140.
Comes to 119.85Mb, formatted. A word of caution though; the ICD doc
says that the shielding plate between controller and drive isn't
necessary for MFM drives, just recommended. A good recommendation, in
this case, as it doesn't work reliably without it. With the shield in
place, it works like a charm.