kelly@nmtsun.nmt.edu (Sean Kelly) (07/23/89)
I really would like to be able to turnkey some programs that insist on calling GEM. I'd something like STARTGEM, but not as buggy. There's a rumor of a similar program in existence, yet I can't locate it. Can anyone point me in the right direction (as in FTP or mailing it to me) for such a program? Mail those replies, I'll summarize if there's any interest. -- kelly (sean) `What is the wasting?' kelly@nmtsun.nmt.edu `The wasting is ... the wasting!' Std disclaimers apply `Ahhhhh.' --Dr ? --
apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) (07/25/89)
kelly@nmtsun.nmt.edu (Sean Kelly) writes: >I really would like to be able to turnkey some programs that >insist on calling GEM. I'd something like STARTGEM, but not >as buggy. There's a rumor of a similar program in existence, >yet I can't locate it. Become a developer and get TOS 1.4. You can use "Install Application" to make one (1) GEM-type application launch before you see the Desktop. (When it exits, you get the Desktop for the first time.) ============================================ Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt
jeff@quark.WV.TEK.COM (Jeff Beadles) (07/27/89)
In article <1620@atari.UUCP> apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes: >kelly@nmtsun.nmt.edu (Sean Kelly) writes: >>I really would like to be able to turnkey some programs that >>insist on calling GEM. I'd something like STARTGEM, but not >>as buggy. There's a rumor of a similar program in existence, >>yet I can't locate it. >Become a developer and get TOS 1.4. You can use "Install Application" >to make one (1) GEM-type application launch before you see the Desktop. >(When it exits, you get the Desktop for the first time.) [ Sigh, FLAME ON ] Let's try something different here Allan, it's called "Reality". Do you really expect someone to become a developer JUST to get TOS 1.4? What if I WAS a developer. I write some nifty wizz-bang software that requires to be run under 1.4. That's fine and dandy, but you probably wouldn't be able to sell a product until Atari gets off their duff and starts shipping TOS 1.4 to the people who are willing to *PAY* for it. (No, not the developers kit AND TOS 1.4, just 1.4.) [ Flames lowering... ] The St is a nice machine for it's nitch. It's not the answer for all questions. However, a USABLE ST would be an interesting concept. I've got an auto-folder full of "patches" to work around bugs that Atari was nice enough to put in my computer. (Of course they didn't tell me about them before I bought it :-) -Jeff -- Of course my company doesn't approve of what I say. If they did, they wouldn't let me tell you. Jeff Beadles Utek Sustaining Engineering, Tektronix Inc. jeff@quark.WV.TEK.COM
grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Graham Thomas) (07/27/89)
From article <1620@atari.UUCP>, by apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt): > kelly@nmtsun.nmt.edu (Sean Kelly) writes: >>I really would like to be able to turnkey some programs that >>insist on calling GEM. I'd something like STARTGEM, but not >>as buggy. There's a rumor of a similar program in existence, >>yet I can't locate it. > > Become a developer and get TOS 1.4. You can use "Install Application" > to make one (1) GEM-type application launch before you see the Desktop. > (When it exits, you get the Desktop for the first time.) > > ============================================ > Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. > reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt Er, Allan, are you trying to tell us common-or-garden users something about the availability of TOS 1.4 to non-developers? I have a feeling that we're not going to see it this side of Christmas. Becoming a developer may be a viable option in the USA, but in Britain it costs (last time I checked) the equivalent of $600, even if you already have the Mark Williams C compiler that comes bundled with it. In any case, neither of the registered developers I know at the University of Sussex have been sent TOS 1.4. (or indeed anything else over the past year). Not that I'm suggesting Allan's responsible in any way for the appalling support provided by Atari UK. Does anyone have any new information on when TOS 1.4 will be available: a) in new machines (and in which ones) b) for the rest of us to retrofit It's been some time now since Ken Badertscher announced that the ROMs were going into production. It's about time we saw some results. Graham -- Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, U of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK JANET: grahamt@uk.ac.sussex.syma EARN/BITNET: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk ARPA: grahamt%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk UUCP: grahamt@syma.uucp Phone: +44 273 686758