[comp.sys.atari.st] Atari blows it again

w-darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek Mihocka) (09/17/89)

What are kids going to be getting this Christamas? Certainly not a video
game with an Atari label on it. I've seen a lot of local stores already 
carrying the Nintendo Gameboy. The machine itself is a piece of garbage, with
a pathetic grey LCD display that looks like a cheap watch display. Although
I haven't seen the Lynx (and probably won't for a long time) if its color
backlit LCD display is as good as those used in the Sony Video Watchman and
similar pocket TV's, it'll blow away the Gameboy's display. 

But, with only about 100 days left till Christams, what's Atari waiting for?
The 1990 Christmas season? All the stores I've been to in the last few weeks
are carrying 3 machines: the Gameboy, the regular Nintendo machine, and the
Sega Gemini. All three look and feel like garbage. But the Gameboy comes
with Tetris which is the hottest thing around these days. I have yet to see
anyone carrying the XE game machine or even carrying any sort of promotional
items about the Lynx.

I'm not a video game fan by any means. I shudder to think of the consequences
of having a generation of kids growing up illeterate and cross eyed because
they spend 24 hours a day glued to these NFG handheld game machines, which
I also feel are an incredible step _backwards_ in technology. In 10 years
we've gone from some pretty decent hi res color stereo arcade video games to
handheld low resolution monochrome 2 inch screens. Although I'm not in favor
of the things, since they do exists and are a source of money for Atari, why
don't they just get of their butts and sell the things. This will probably
be one of the hottest items of the season, and while Atari has been splashing
big posters and ads about the Lynx in magazines, Nintendo has quietly stolen
the market.

We already know from past experience that the majority of consumers couldn't
give two hoots about the technical quality of the machines. Otherwise Atari
8-bit machines would have ruled the market. What consumers want is something
they can buy an give to their kids to shut them up until next Christmas. All
the technical marvels of a vaporware Lynx aren't going to generate any
income for Atari, and I'm sure this will be yet another convenient excuse
for them to delay the release of the vaporware Stacy, vaporware Portfolio,
and vaporware TT machines.

I still want to know why Sam Tramiel can't type for himself at GEnie
conferences and what he'll have to say to us next month when he can't keep
the promises he made at last month's conference.
 
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Xorg@cup.portal.com (Peter Ted Szymonik) (09/18/89)

I think Atari has their hands more than full with the emminent releases
of TOS 1.4, Portfolio, Lynx, STacy, and the TT!  Perhaps their strategy
with the Lynx is to let Nintendo corner the market again and then sue
them for having a monopoly.  <grin>

Peter Szymonik
Xorg@cup.portal.com

david@bdt.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) (09/19/89)

In article <7722@microsoft.UUCP> w-darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek Mihocka) writes:
>I still want to know why Sam Tramiel can't type for himself at GEnie
>conferences and what he'll have to say to us next month when he can't keep
>the promises he made at last month's conference.

I know exactly what he'll have to say to you.

He will have the same thing Atari always has...

       More Promises!

And probably another batch of suckers to eat it up!


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NETOPRHM@NCSUVM.BITNET (Hal Meeks) (09/19/89)

I'm surprised, and disturbed, that Lynx isn't out either. The price is
right, and it actually looks like it is going to be supported.

Atari is preparing to learn another hard lesson, that technical superiority
combined with a competitive price isn't always enough. The nintendo gameboy
is very likely to capture the market, simply because it is out first, and
name association (Nintendo=quality games) is there. No flames on the last
point; just walk into any video rental store, go to Toys'R'Us and see who
has the most wall space, etc.

We'll see. If it isn't out by the end of October (in quantity), then the war
is over even before it began.

--hal

mitchell@janus.Berkeley.EDU (Evan Mitchell) (09/21/89)

In article <951NETOPRHM@NCSUVM> NETOPRHM@NCSUVM.BITNET (Hal Meeks) writes:
>I'm surprised, and disturbed, that Lynx isn't out either. The price is
>right, and it actually looks like it is going to be supported.
>
>Atari is preparing to learn another hard lesson, that technical superiority
>combined with a competitive price isn't always enough. The nintendo gameboy
>is very likely to capture the market, simply because it is out first, and
>name association (Nintendo=quality games) is there. No flames on the last
>point; just walk into any video rental store, go to Toys'R'Us and see who
>has the most wall space, etc.
>
>We'll see. If it isn't out by the end of October (in quantity), then the war
>is over even before it began.
>
>--hal
What is the "unofficial" release date for the LYNX?  What's holding up it's
release.  From what I've seen, comparing the Lynx to the Gameboy is like
comparing an Amiga to a Mac+.  If they can keep game prices down, perhaps under
$25.00, they will have quite a sucessful product.  I know I want to buy one.

BTW, will it be possible to use a regular TV as an optional display?

Please, oh please, don't make this a vaporware product.  Stop wasting time on
the TT and ATW, get the Lynx out within a month!! :-).

-Evan


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mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) (09/21/89)

In article <951NETOPRHM@NCSUVM> NETOPRHM@NCSUVM.BITNET (Hal Meeks) writes:
>I'm surprised, and disturbed, that Lynx isn't out either. The price is
>right, and it actually looks like it is going to be supported.
>

Perhaps the reason for the delays has to do with trying to get Sam Tramiel
to put  out the bucks for the Lynx development stations their software
people need, >>> Amiga 2000s <<<.

The Lynx is a helluva box. The boys at Epyx really earned their pay. I 
have a non-game application I would love to do on it if they can boost the
contrast just a bit.




                                                      *** mike smithwick ***

"Los Angeles : Where neon goes to die"
[disclaimer : nope, I don't work for NASA, I take full blame for my ideas]

ajy2208%ritcv@cs.rit.edu (09/21/89)

In article <31421@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> mitchell@janus.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Evan Mitchell) writes:
>What is the "unofficial" release date for the LYNX?  What's holding up it's
>release.  From what I've seen, comparing the Lynx to the Gameboy is like
>comparing an Amiga to a Mac+.  If they can keep game prices down, perhaps under
>$25.00, they will have quite a sucessful product.  I know I want to buy one.
>
>BTW, will it be possible to use a regular TV as an optional display?
>
>Please, oh please, don't make this a vaporware product.  Stop wasting time on
>the TT and ATW, get the Lynx out within a month!! :-).

A friend of mine bought the Gameboy, and for those who don't know about
the Lynx (everyone but avid Atari enthusiasts), it looks pretty impressive.
The sound is good, graphics good (for what you can do with a LCD screen--it
does get blurry at times), is solidly built, etc..   The Lynx promises to
be that and MUCH more (well, I don't know about the 'solidly built' part.. :-)

One thing I don't like about the Gameboy (besides the b/w screen) is that
only two people can play a game at the same time (via a cable and two 
Gameboys), as opposed to the Lynx's ability to network up to 16 (!) people..
And you don't need to buy 16 cartridges..  

I know I'll buy one, unless Atari really louses up and doesn't get it out
until NEXT Christmas season.  And this certainly won't do anything to rid
Atari of its game image.. 

As for other Atari products, I know a lot of people who are going to get out
of the Atari world if things like the TT and STacey aren't delivered before
1990.  I won't be buying a new computer until I graduate from here in 3 
years, so I'll just sit back and watch the show.  

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dclemans@mentor.com (Dave Clemans @ APD x1292) (09/23/89)

From article <1309@cs.rit.edu>, by ajy2208%ritcv@cs.rit.edu:
> In article <31421@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> mitchell@janus.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Evan Mitchell) writes:
>>What is the "unofficial" release date for the LYNX?  What's holding up it's
>>release.  From what I've seen, comparing the Lynx to the Gameboy is like
>>comparing an Amiga to a Mac+.  If they can keep game prices down, perhaps under
>>$25.00, they will have quite a sucessful product.  I know I want to buy one.

The current speculation on Compuserve, Genie, etc. seems to be that the Lynx 
ill be delivered in volume to "large" markets (such as Los Angeles, New York,
etc.) by the end of October, but it will not be generally available across
the US until 1990.

dgc

covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert) (09/25/89)

In article <32263@ames.arc.nasa.gov>, mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) writes:
> In article <951NETOPRHM@NCSUVM> NETOPRHM@NCSUVM.BITNET (Hal Meeks) writes:
> >I'm surprised, and disturbed, that Lynx isn't out either. The price is
> >right, and it actually looks like it is going to be supported.

	There was an article in the newspaper last week that Epyx laid off about
100 employees and is down to a staff of about 16. Rumor has it that Atari didn't
pay Epyx for the development of the Lynx, and now Epyx has gone back to just 
making XE/XL games.

	So, if this rumor is true, then don't expect to see the Lynx. Looks
like another Atari CD-ROM, BliTTered 1040ST vaporware to me!!

Richard (What's Wrong with Atari Anyway??) Covert