MEGGIN@vm.epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson) (10/26/89)
I love my ST because it will run Calamus, which saves several hours
every week for my spouse and me over other DTP packages. I wish that
it had a lot of things that it does not, and as a hacker, I'd switch
to a Sun in a second if I could afford it. I also find 4 megs too
crowded.
Microsoft produces MSDOS, not IBM. Same with Windows. DRI produces
their GEM, and companies other than IBM produce the best IBM-compatible
computers. Who cares if Atari does not new software stuff (like the
Postscript clone) for the ST, as long as someone does?
And if other people stop supporting the ST, I stop using it.
David Megginson, Centre for Medieval Studies, Torontohgm@ccvr1.uucp (Hal G. Meeks) (10/26/89)
In article <89Oct25.213612edt.57384@ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca> MEGGIN@vm.epas.utoronto.ca (David Megginson) writes: >I love my ST because it will run Calamus, which saves several hours >every week for my spouse and me over other DTP packages. I wish that >it had a lot of things that it does not, and as a hacker, I'd switch >to a Sun in a second if I could afford it. I also find 4 megs too >crowded. Well, what happens when Calamus gets ported to another, better supported machine? Will you still like your ST? >Microsoft produces MSDOS, not IBM. Same with Windows. DRI produces >their GEM, and companies other than IBM produce the best IBM-compatible >computers. Who cares if Atari does not new software stuff (like the >Postscript clone) for the ST, as long as someone does? You should care a great deal. Argument follows thusly; Who cares about the 40 folder limit problems. Someone has hacked a workable solution (not atari). Who cares about the bugs in TOS? I have these programs here that have workarounds built into them. So what if the workarounds break other, more fundamental rules? So what if it makes fixing the bugs difficult, if not impossible, without breaking with popular software? Atari has to lay down the rules. I don't keep track that closely of ST happenings, but I'm truly surprised that they don't have a postscript emulator themselves for their laserprinter. Wasn't it announced with the release of the printer. Letting 3rd party people do your work on "important products" is fine, as long as they are working very closely with Atari. This isn't happening. At some point, things will become increasingly incompatable, and software companies will eventually give up on compatability with other packages entirely. You must have a strong standard bearer, and Atari isn't it. >And if other people stop supporting the ST, I stop using it. Interesting. > David Megginson, Centre for Medieval Studies, Toronto I have resisted posting a comment on the latest barrage of Atari bashing, since I don't own anything made by Atari (just sold my 7800 ;-) ). I am amazed at some of the comments I'm reading in this newsgroup. The gentleman who posted his 386 comparison pointed out something, possibly inadvertantly, that will have a lasting effect on TT sales. If you are a new company, or a company that is trying to get a toehold in the market, you can't simply sell something that is "as good" as the existing standard, at around the same price. Your product has to the compellingly better in some respect. Check out the Macintosh; it's not all marketing. And look at what Commodore is attempting to do with the Amiga. On what may appear to be an unrelated note, look at what Atari is doing with their slick piece of handheld technology, the Lynx. Two months till christmas.... --hal --------------- hgm@ccvr1.ncsu.edu "Oh dear, now I've made a terrible mess of things. netoprhm@ncsuvm.bitnet And all I wanted to do was rule the universe." Dr. Zachary Smith
steve@thelake.UUCP (Steve Yelvington) (10/27/89)
This is a flame. If you think it's directed solely at Hal Meeks, guess again. In article <4318@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu>, hgm@ccvr1.uucp (Hal G. Meeks) writes ... >Atari has to lay down the rules. I don't keep track that closely of ST >happenings, If you don't know what you're talking about, why do you feel compelled to burn net bandwidth? >but I'm truly surprised that they don't have a postscript >emulator themselves for their laserprinter. Wasn't it announced with the >release of the printer. The PostScript interpreter has been in the stores for a long time. See previous comment. >I have resisted posting a comment on the latest barrage of Atari bashing, >since I don't own anything made by Atari ... You should have hung in there. >I am amazed at some of the comments I'm reading in this newsgroup. So am I. Few have anything to do with using or programming the Atari ST. Even fewer provide real information on any topic. Instead of comp.sys.atari.st, it should be noise.atari-bashing.instant-experts. I don't see this noise from the many folks who have made this newsgroup worth reading over the last few years. I see it mostly from November locusts who have just figured out how to post news but apparently have not learned to consider first whether their posting makes a material contribution or raises a question worth answering. apratt and kbad and many others @atari.UUCP have devoted many hours to reading this newsgroup and answering questions. I hope this drivel-storm passes soon, before they conclude that it's not worth the effort. Followups redirected to alt.flame. Steve Yelvington, up at the lake in Minnesota ... pwcs.StPaul.GOV!stag!thelake!steve (Usenet) ... {playgrnd,moundst,class68}!thelake!steve (Citadel)