bevis@EE.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Jeff Bevis) (11/12/89)
In article <119.25505695@metnet.FIDONET.ORG>, Mark.Johnson@p0.f30.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Johnson) writes: >Hmmm seems to me that the logic used by the Atari bashers makes that >A3000 a vaporware product too. Seems odd that they aren't crying about >their awful - supportless - lying - cheating C= company like they are >trying to accuse Atari of, eh? > I didn't see any smilies on that. Commodore has lately (last 1.5 years) been doing a wonderful job of improving their customer and developer support. I would not accuse CBM of lying or cheating; for that, you should see Apple, Inc. These days it seems Commodore is running a fairly clean and smooth operation. It just keeps getting better. I wouldn't label the A3000, or even Amiga UNIX (AMIX), as vaporware. Amiga UNIX is, in fact, in functioning existence as we speak, and was demoed recently at some UNIX convention. The 3000 is simply the next step in the evolution of the machines, and there WILL be more, rest assured. Naturally, nobody in this newsgroup really cares what happens at Commodore. This is an Atari group. I'm an Amiga person (see .sig), and I just dropped in to see what you people were doing with your machines, so that I might make more intelligent conversation... This was the first article I saw. It's sad, really, since this kind of brand-prejudice is totally non- productive and has helped us all to come to live in an IBM-dominated world. I sure hope the rest of this group is better or I might as well just unsubscribe... >-- >Mark Johnson - via FidoNet node 1:147/10 >UUCP: ...!att!occrsh!uokmax!metnet!30.0!Mark.Johnson >INTERNET: Mark.Johnson@p0.f30.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG +--------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | Jeff Bevis | "But I don't like spam!" | | bevis@en.ecn.purdue.edu | Give me Amiga or nothing at all. | +--------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+
dnewton@carroll1.UUCP (Dave 'Post No Nicknames' Newton) (11/12/89)
In article <8911120232.AA07383@en.ecn.purdue.edu> bevis@EE.ECN.PURDUE.EDU (Jeff Bevis) writes: >In article <119.25505695@metnet.FIDONET.ORG>, Mark.Johnson@p0.f30.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Johnson) writes: >>Hmmm seems to me that the logic used by the Atari bashers makes that >>A3000 a vaporware product too. Seems odd that they aren't crying about >>their awful - supportless - lying - cheating C= company like they are >>trying to accuse Atari of, eh? Until the A3000 comes out, I will call it vaporware. It may exist in some forms somewhere, but unless _I_ can get it, it's vaporware. >I wouldn't label the A3000, or even Amiga UNIX (AMIX), as vaporware. Amiga >UNIX is, in fact, in functioning existence as we speak, and was demoed >recently at some UNIX convention. I've seen many things demoed at computer shows. I saw a nameless PC supposedly running some software, when in actuallity there was a VAX behind curtain #1 running the demo. Appearance at a ComShow is hardly a guarantee that the product exists. I made the mistake of pre-ordering a software package at a show (yes, I saw it run) and found out later it was probably 6-12 months 'til shipping. >Naturally, nobody in this newsgroup really cares what happens at Commodore. >This is an Atari group. I'm an Amiga person (see .sig), and I just dropped >in to see what you people were doing with your machines, so that I might >make more intelligent conversation... This was the first article I saw. >It's sad, really, since this kind of brand-prejudice is totally non- >productive and has helped us all to come to live in an IBM-dominated world. Not true at all--I care a lot since I may very well buy an Amiga. I'll still keep my ST, it's a cool machine. But being able to put in a BridgeBoard, 68030 @ 25-33MHz, MultiPort serial board, easy GenLock stuff, etc. has pushed me to buy a Commodore (something I swore I would never do when I saw the Vic-20) And I don't think loyalty to Atari pushed us to domination by Big Blue. In fact, just the opposite--our tolerance of Atari has _kept_ Big Blue from totally dominated with their antiquated machinry. I'll probably end up buying an Amiga 2500 w/ accelerator, bridgeboard, a 25NHz 386 for Unix (unless Commodore's is good), and keep a decked-out ST. The best of all worlds. An ATW is still a possibility, but I haven't heard back from whoever it was I wrote to in England yet. -- David L. Newton | uunet!marque!carroll1!dnewton | The Raging Apostle-- (414) 524-7343 (work) | dnewton@carroll1.cc.edu | for the future-- (414) 524-6809 (home) | 100 NE Ave, Waukesha WI 53186 | for the world. "Isn't it fun to take two unrelated sentences and mix the batter lightly?" -me