thamer@rose.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mustafa Thamer) (11/11/89)
Although the ST DEsktop has its mouse-based advantages, I'm really starting to miss the MSDOS/UNIX type abilities to just type CD somewhere or run a program anywhere by typing its name or path, or the advantages of simple batch files. I'm getting real tired of clicking my way through the 7 partitions of my 85 meg drive to get to the directory I want just to run a program. Anyone know of a command driven TOS interpreter ala MSDOS that's public domain. If not, I'm about to write one. Although utilities like Universal Item Selector are good, I haven't seen one as useful as QDOS is for the IBM. -mustafa -=- "Two days ago I saw a vehicle that'd haul that tanker. You wanna get out of here; you talk to me."
steve@thelake.UUCP (Steve Yelvington) (11/11/89)
In article <73839@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu>, thamer@rose.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mustafa Thamer) writes ... >Although the ST DEsktop has its mouse-based advantages, I'm really starting >to miss the MSDOS/UNIX type abilities to just type CD somewhere or >run a program anywhere by typing its name or path, or the advantages >of simple batch files. I'm getting real tired of clicking my way through the >7 partitions of my 85 meg drive to get to the directory I want just to run >a program. > Anyone know of a command driven TOS interpreter ala MSDOS that's >public domain. If not, I'm about to write one. There are probably a dozen or more free or shareware command shells for the ST. The most well-known is gulam, which uses a Unix-like command set and includes a built-in version of MicroEMACS and a communications terminal. I currently use John Stanley's jShell (it's small and has a nice uEMACS-style command-line editing facility). Others I have used include David Parsons' tsh (Teeny Shell), a Korn Shell-like interpreter with a very powerful scripting facility, and PCommand, which is very much like the MS-DOS COMMAND.COM interpreter. There are several commercial alternatives, too, including the msh program that comes with Mark Williams' C compiler, and Dave Beckemeyer's Micro C Shell and Multitasking C Shell (the latter for use with Micro RTX). With many of these interpreters, you can create a batch file (shell script), install the interpreter as a .TTP application (using the GEM Desktop's "Install Application" menu), and run the batch file from the desktop simply by clicking on it. You don't have to use a command-line environment to avoid having to click your way through 85mb of folders, though. Neodesk, a replacement for the built-in GEM Desktop, lets you drag program icons out on the desktop where you can reach them without having to dig into folders. And, incidentally, you can design your own icons for the programs. Another program, Hotwire, lets you define alt-key combinations to launch programs. -- Steve Yelvington, up at the lake in Minnesota ... pwcs.StPaul.GOV!stag!thelake!steve (UUCP)
suhonen@tukki.jyu.fi (Timo Suhonen) (11/11/89)
In article <73839@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> <thamer@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: > Anyone know of a command driven TOS interpreter ala MSDOS that's >public domain. If not, I'm about to write one. Although utilities like >Universal Item Selector are good, I haven't seen one as useful as QDOS >is for the IBM. There are some MS-DOS like interpreters for ST. I have not used them so I don't know are they worth having or not, but I do know that there is gulam -shell that is very much like Bourne shell in Unix. I have used it about a year now and I think it is just *GREAT* Timo -- Timo Suhonen suhonen@tukki.jyu.fi Disclaimer: The text above is from my left brain cell. The right one is for SeX and Drugs and Rock'n Roll. Al K. Hall has eaten the others...
glk01126@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (11/11/89)
The best I've seen is GULAM, available at the ftp sites... -Spieu!
ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu (L.J.Dickey) (11/16/89)
In article <73839@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> <thamer@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes: >Although the ST DEsktop has its mouse-based advantages, I'm really starting >to miss the MSDOS/UNIX type abilities to just type CD somewhere or >run a program anywhere by typing its name or path, or the advantages >of simple batch files. .... I know that several have answered this, and most have mentioned GULAM, but I would like to add this: I like Gulam, because of its large set of built-in features, including these, which I think are its major assets: MicroEmacs, terminal emulator, command line editing, xmodem file transfer, and shell scripts. The shell scripts are quite like the cshell I use on the VAX at the office, and so, for quite a few things, the commmand set is the same. Where there are differences, I feel that I have the control, through the use of shell scripts, to make them enough alike that I feel comfortable and productive in both places. Those who know UNIX will recognise some commands in the list below, which I see when I press the HELP key. =============================================================================== beta-test version 1.03.04.05 121887 of yet another shell for AtariST/TOS (non-profit redistribution is permitted) /gulam. Copyright = 1987 pm@cwru.edu 62 built-in commands: alias dm endwhile help more printenv set ue cat dirc exit history mson pushd setenv unalias cd dirs fg if msoff pwd source unset chmod echo fgrep kb mv rehash sx unsetenv copy egrep foreach lpr peekw ren te which cp ef format ls pokew rm teexit while date endfor gem mem popd rmdir time df endif grep mkdir print rx touch =============================================================================== In addition to the things here, there have been a few things distributed over the net that I behave much like UNIX commands I like. An example of one of these is LV, and later STEVIE, which are much like "vi" . I am not sure that UNIX is the best operating system, but I does have some very nice advantages. The fact that GULAM has the same set of commands means a lot to me. -- L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo. ljdickey@water.UWaterloo.ca ljdickey@water.BITNET ljdickey@water.UUCP ..!uunet!watmath!water!ljdickey ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu
bremner@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (David Bremner) (11/18/89)
I have a whole bunch of these, and gulaam is my favourite. Combination of csh/sh. As a die hard c-shell (on Unix) user, I can use gulaam quite comfortably without having to remember to many gotchas. I am almost certain this is available in the c.b.atari.st archives on panarthea; watch c.b.atari.st for info on how to access these archives. ----------- BITNET: Bremner@UNCA-MULTICS.BITNET USENET: bremner@ksi.cpsc.ucalgary.ca