rona@hpdml93.HP.COM (Ron Abramson) (11/10/89)
I've seen a the NEXT machine. It is very real. Ron Abramson rona@hpdml92.HP.COM
covertr@force.UUCP (Richard E. Covert) (11/10/89)
In article <1989Nov8.182505.11625@uunet!unhd>, al770@uunet!unhd (Anthony Lapadula) writes: > > Greg Csullog wrote: > > > Why do some many netters bash Atari in the Atari forum? If you hate Atari > > so much, get on the Mac or PC forum circuit and stop suffering. Let us > > Atari users have fun without having to listen to your bitching. > > It's not that we hate Atari(1), it's just frustrating to see good > products buried because they're late. > > -- Anthony Lapadula > > (1) I do resent being told in late '85 that my 1040ST would indeed > be able to use the Blitter, which, of course, was due out RSN. Don't > know if I should blame my dealer or Atari, but the example stands. Anthony Lapadula expressed my sentiments exactly!! My complaint (call it whining or bitching if it pleases you) has centered around Atari's lack new products and of poor support for existing products. I still enjoy using my Mega ST4 and wouldn't want a Macintosh (well maybe a Mac IIci :-) ). and Atari has a long history of lying to their customers dating back to the promised Blitter chips for the 520/1040STs. Atari's attitude has been "We will promise you anything to get you to buy our product, but don't hold us to our promise". Also, Atari has said if you want the Blitter buy a Mega ST. Now, the Mega STers have to downgrade to the 1040STE to get the new stereo sound and hardware scrolling it it. What kind of treatment is this?? I, for one, bought my Mega ST because of its superior keyboard. I don't want to go back to a 1040STE with its keyboard just to get some HW improvments. So, what else can a long time Atari SUPPORTER do?? Obviously the Tramiels don't listen to their DEALERS or their CUSTMOERS. My local Atari dealer is going to COMDEX next weeek. I can't wait to see what he reports back about Atari's presence at COMDEX. Rich Covert
phoenix@ms.uky.edu (R'ykandar Korra'ti) (11/11/89)
In article <480035@hpdml93.HP.COM> rona@hpdml93.HP.COM (Ron Abramson) writes: >I've seen the NEXT machine. It is very real. I've seen the NeXT machine. It is very slow. :-) (Display postscript... bleah...) - R'ykandar. -- | R'ykandar Korra'ti, Editor, LOW ORBIT | phoenix@ms.uky.edu | CIS 72406,370 | | Elfinkind, Unite! | phoenix@ukma.bitnet | PLink: Skywise | QLink: Bearclaw |
a23@mindlink.UUCP (Joel Murray) (11/11/89)
> rona writes: > > Msg-ID: <480035@hpdml93.HP.COM> > Posted: 9 Nov 89 21:04:21 GMT > > Org. : Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID > Person: Ron Abramson > > > I've seen a the NEXT machine. It is very real. > > Ron Abramson rona@hpdml92.HP.COM So have I--at the University of British Columbia Bookstore--for sale. I have also seen a Portfolio, also for sale. I have also seen a STacy (at the Pacific Rim Computer and Communications Exhibition)--not for sale anywhere in Vancouver, BC, though. // /// CIS: 73200,3117 \X/oel ///urray Usenet: a23@mindlink.UUCP
mboen@nixpbe.UUCP (Martin Boening) (11/12/89)
A couple of weeks ago, c't computers tested teh NeXT. They worked with a
NeXT machine of some company in Kiel, I believe. This NeXT was, at that
time, THE ONLY NeXT COMPUTER available in Germany. Just one machine, right.
So, should we all call the NeXT vapourware, over here?
Martin
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Pontanusstr. 55, 4790 Paderborn, W.-GermanyBob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com (11/13/89)
Golly... I just played with a NExT computer at a local "computer swap meet".. BusinessLand was exhibiting them to a large crowd... guess what the Atari Corp representation was..?? One local Atari users' group had a booth, and one local dealer had an ST for sale, not running, not on display.. (the Amigas took all the room) Hard to make a comparison between the NExt, which is available NOW, on sale at locations across the USA, and the various Atari vapor systems which are still only seen at closed trade shows. BobR
Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com (11/13/89)
Anthony Lapadula states: >(1) I do resent being told in late '85 that my 1040ST would indeed >be able to use the Blitter, which, of course, was due out RSN. Don't >know if I should blame my dealer or Atari, but the example stands. Your dealer has nothing to do with the lies Atari tell you.. if they don't ship him the products they have promised you, he can't sell them to you... Sam Tramiel, President of Atari Corp promised, on a TV show called something like "the Computer Show" that all STs would have a blitter upgrade made available... something like a year later, Atari finally admitted the lie, and made the excuse that the FCC wouldn't let them do it... You've simply been the victim of believing the Atari lie... how many times will they sucker you in..? BobR
Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com (11/13/89)
R'ykandar Korra'ti says:
> I've seen the NeXT machine. It is very slow.
The NeXT may be slow by your standards, but if your applications depended
on running on an Atari TT/ATW/STE they'd be even slower... those machines
don't even exist as commercial products yet.
You can either run your applications on a NeXT *now* or wait and wait and
wait for an Atari product to eventually show up.
BobRparsons@b.ee.engr.uky.edu (Greg Parsons) (11/14/89)
I have just finished reading your series of six or so messages bashing
Atari Corporation. I have one point to make:
GIVE IT A REST!!!
I'd say that almost everyone on the net knows of Atari's previous
terrible policies, screwups, lies, etc. It's possible that Atari WILL
put out the TT/STE/ATW. A previous posting on here from has already
said that the ATW _was_ available in Europe. I don't know whether
Atari is going to really do something nice or screw it up again,
but the point is that we already KNOW about the stuff you've posted
about, and we're hoping that it'll turn around.
--
parsons@b.ee.engr.uky.edu
Born with a stearing wheel in my hand, and lead in my feet!
The small furry one... Rat
All statements belong to someone, who I'm not quite sure.....mark@rpp386.cactus.org (Mark Lehmann) (11/14/89)
Don't forget that the NeXT uses the optical storage disk. That has to slow it down terribly. I know that an 800Mb 28ms drive is available, but it seems kind of silly to have both forms of media in the computer. Especially if the optical drive available is only 550Mb. It would probably be much better if the NeXT were to come with an 800Mb hard drive as the default drive and use the Optical Drive just for removeable storage. An entire Licensed Program Product would be available on one disk then and the ussual UNIX installation and upgrading nightmare would be avoided. Mark Lehmann -- +------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Mark Lehmann | | | mark@rpp386.cactus.org | | | {bigtex|texbell}!rpp386!mark | |
jtn@zodiac.ADS.COM (John Nelson) (11/16/89)
>How many netters have actually used a NeXT computer or even seen one. Just >because YOU have not seen one does not mean it does not exist or it is >vapourware. The same goes for the TT, the ATW, the STACY, the LYNX. On the subject of future machines, I recenetly read that the availability of the new "STE and TT" machines would be announced in Feburary of next year." The STE will apparently be '030 based and have something like 1000x7000 colour pixels. Cost for one of these will be about $1,600. That's a fairly amazing price for a 68030 box. Does anyone have the real dope on when we can expect an '030 Atari machine in the states and will it really be inexpensive? I've been thinking about getting something cheap just for music applications (cheap meaning the Mac is too expensive) and the MEGA fills the bill, but with the '030 based Atari's just around the corner.... well. Any details? John T. Nelson UUCP: sun!sundc!potomac!jtn Advanced Decision Systems Internet: jtn@potomac.ads.com 1500 Wilson Blvd #512; Arlington, VA 22209-2401 (703) 243-1611
jdutka@wpi.wpi.edu (John Dutka) (11/17/89)
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koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com (Steven Grimm) (11/17/89)
In article <9802@zodiac.ADS.COM> jtn@ads.com (John Nelson) writes: >On the subject of future machines, I recenetly read that the >availability of the new "STE and TT" machines would be announced in >Feburary of next year." The STE will apparently be '030 based and >have something like 1000x7000 colour pixels. Cost for one of these >will be about $1,600. That's a fairly amazing price for a 68030 box. Shall we shoot him now, or torture him before we put him out of our misery? --- " !" - Marcel Marceau Steven Grimm Moderator, comp.{sources,binaries}.atari.st sgrimm@sun.com ...!sun!sgrimm
jtn@zodiac.ADS.COM (John Nelson) (11/17/89)
In article <34785@grapevine.uucp> koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com (Steven Grimm) writes: >Shall we shoot him now, or torture him before we put him out of our >misery? Now now now, let's be patient. This is what I read in a UK mag. I know the STE is out already in Europe and not available here. The announcement will be made in Feburary. If you have better information then share it with us. Considering that Atari Corporation refuses to tell me ANYTHING about these boxes, it shouldn't be surprising that a lot of vapour is floating around. Quite rude too. Since I posted the article on the STE I've discovered that it is really much more scaled down than the TT. Apparently it will have a mere 1 meg internal RAM with a better colour pallete and an 8-bit PCM sound chip AND SIMM slots... APPARENTLY. Who knows what Atari will announce. John T. Nelson UUCP: sun!sundc!potomac!jtn Advanced Decision Systems Internet: jtn@potomac.ads.com 1500 Wilson Blvd #512; Arlington, VA 22209-2401 (703) 243-1611
JALKIO@cc.helsinki.fi (Jouni Alkio, University of Helsinki, Finland) (11/18/89)
In article <9823@zodiac.ADS.COM>, jtn@zodiac.ADS.COM (John Nelson) writes: > > Since I posted the article on the STE I've discovered that it is > really much more scaled down than the TT. Apparently it will have a > mere 1 meg internal RAM with a better colour pallete and an 8-bit PCM > sound chip AND SIMM slots... APPARENTLY. Who knows what Atari will > announce. Well, the STE is only a ST with those additional features you mentioned. It certainly doesn't have a 68030, as you earlier mentioned! > > > > John T. Nelson UUCP: sun!sundc!potomac!jtn > Advanced Decision Systems Internet: jtn@potomac.ads.com > 1500 Wilson Blvd #512; Arlington, VA 22209-2401 (703) 243-1611
ralph (Ralph P. Sobek) (11/20/89)
In article <13200@s.ms.uky.edu> phoenix@ms.uky.edu (R'ykandar Korra'ti) writes: | In article <480035@hpdml93.HP.COM> rona@hpdml93.HP.COM (Ron Abramson) writes: | >I've seen the NEXT machine. It is very real. | I've seen the NeXT machine. It is very slow. | :-) | (Display postscript... bleah...) | - R'ykandar. Well, all that depends... I've seen other machines which display PostScript on the screen, and they were much slower for that than th NeXT! All this is like comparing apples (no pun intended) and oranges. Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!mcvax!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: SOBEK@FRMOP11.BITNET sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU =============================================================================== Upon the instruments of death the sunlight brightly gleams. -- King Crimson
Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com (11/21/89)
David Meile says a lot of uninformed stuff about Atari history... I'm sorry if you haven't been able to keep up with the Atari world in the last few years.. I know that it's hard to stay informed if your only source of information is the "major" Atari magazines. If you were involved with any of the online services where Neil Harris held court, or followed Atari Corp happenings in the media, you'd have been able to follow this discussion intelligently. Neil Harris was the "Director of Marketing Information" (or some such nonsense) for years. As such, he was the "official mouthpiece" of Atari Corp.. He promised the blitter upgrade, many times.. officially. Sam Tramiel is the Chief Executive Officer of Atari Corp. He promised the blitter upgrade on television, in answer to a caller's question. (Sorry if you missed that.. it was prominently publicized on the national information services). If you're satisfied with the performance of Atari Corp,. then that's just fine... for you. I'd still like to see what would happen if the proper Federal agencies became involved in this scam... BobR
davidli@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Dave Meile) (11/22/89)
In article <24310@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: >David Meile says a lot of uninformed stuff about Atari history... Well, actually, none of it was "uninformed". You might think I don't have the "whole story", but your use of the term is deragatory in this particular case. And the last name is Paschall-Zimbel, although the account name is still the one before my recent marriage. >If you were involved with any of the online services where Neil Harris >held court, or followed Atari Corp happenings in the media, you'd have been >able to follow this discussion intelligently. Yes, I was around on GEnie back in the good old days of 1986. No, I don't remember reading anything which was labelled "OFFICAL PROMISE" from Neil Harris. I sure hope you kept copies of each and every posting -- and if you really want to be believed on this point, POST THE COPIES. Same goes for "Official Promises" made by any of the Tramiels in response to phone-in questions -- if it isn't written up in a press release, with specs and ordering information, it isn't "official" ... off-the-cuff remarks notwithstanding. >I'd still like to see what would happen if the proper Federal agencies >became involved in this scam... If you believe that there were criminal actions worth looking into, quit posting this drivel, take your evidence directly to the Attorney General of the State of California and sit back fat and happy. Otherwise, I'd suggest you drop the term "scam". -- David Paschall-Zimbel
kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher) (11/22/89)
Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: | Neil Harris was the "Director of Marketing Information" [...] | He promised the blitter upgrade, many times.. officially. Bob, I can't speak for Dave Meile, although I have the highest respect for him, but _I_ have been an Atari follower for many years, in the mags, online, and in news media. I can not remember a single time that anyone from Atari officially announced availability of a BLiTTER upgrade for 520s or 1040s. I _do_ remember that Neil and others mentioned that it was being worked on. I guess you just heard what you wanted to. One other thing - I never would have come to work for this company if I thought that its basis of operation was fraudulent. Your innuendo is getting extremely tiresome on the net, and the only reason I bothered to respond to this particular message was to toss some facts at your attack on Neil Harris. If it is your intention to chase all Atari personnel off the net with your venom, then believe me, you are coming close to succeeding. -- ||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad) ||| Atari R&D System Software Engine / | \ #include <disclaimer>
karl@es56.UUCP (Karl Rowley) (11/23/89)
I have been reading this newsgroup from the beginning, and I know that Neil Harris did state very clearly a number of times that the blitter upgrade would be available for the 520 ST and 1040 ST. Since he worked for Atari at that time, the statements were assumed to have some credibility. I know a number of us became skeptical some time ago about Atari's committment to the blitter. When some of us expressed our doubts on Usenet, we were told by Neil that the blitter upgrade was still planned. No, I haven't saved all my old email and news messages -- I am just recalling events as I remember them. I anticipate flamage, so I will be waiting by my mailbox with a bucket of cold water. Karl Rowley Evans and Sutherland Computer Division Mountain View, California, USA escd!karl@decwrl.dec.com ...!ames!amdahl!escd!karl
Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com (11/23/89)
Replying to Ken Badertscher's comments... Ken, one thing I think should be made clear.. I have the utmost respect for you, and Alan, and all the others who are trying to improve the state of the Atari line of computers. You've all been doing a fine job at your end of things. Unfortunately the R&D department doesn't run Atari Corp. I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for Neil Harris and (my opinion) the Atari world is far better off that he's out of it. It's true that there was never an official product announcement concerning the blitter upgrade. But.. Neil Harris and others from Atari went FAR beyond "mentioning that it was being worked on". There were technical details of the upgrades given, timeframes for delivery of the upgrade and even prices. I believe it was the "daughterboard" version of the upgrade including the blitter and the 6 ROM set of TOS 1.2 that had a price of $120 given. Later, when it was decided to do motherboard swaps instead of a hardware add-on, another price (which I can't recall exactly now) was given, for the motherboard swap through Atari dealers. Again, this is going far beyond "mentioning that it was being worked on". The whole episode was poorly handled, which is my entire point. By feeding the customers' desires for an upgrade to existing equipment, Atari created an expectation which they ended up not delivering on. Another point: If Atari was behaving in a credible and responsible manner, there would be no reason for all the dissatisfaction that is rampant. There would be no reason for the volume of complaints and "venom".. Yes, I may be one of the most vocal critics, but you'll have to admit that I'm not by any means the only one. As I've said before, give us something to be proud of (not you personally, but Atari Corp) and I'll be first to praise Atari for its accomplishments, as strongly as I criticize it for its shortcomings. BobR
cmm1@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Christopher M Mauritz) (11/24/89)
I distinctly remember Neil Harris saying that on GEnie too. We all can't be wrong. Chris Mauritz -- ------------------------------+--------------------------- Chris Mauritz |Where there's a BEER, cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |there's a plan. (c)All rights reserved. | Send flames to /dev/null |Need I say more? ------------------------------+---------------------------
towns@atari.UUCP (John Townsend) (11/24/89)
in article <24384@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com says: > > Replying to Ken Badertscher's comments... > > I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for Neil Harris and (my opinion) > the Atari world is far better off that he's out of it. > > [.....] > > BobR Fine. Can you please DROP the whole Neil Harris thing now? Haven't we heard enough of this attitude that you have towards him? Personally, I am tired of all of your messages regarding this subject and most of all NO ONE CARES!! So, please drop the whole issue and move on. It's history. Forget it. -- John Townsend ames!atari!towns The above opinions are MINE and not Atari Corporation's. Please do not interpret them as the offical opinions of Atari or anyone else.
bammi@dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu (Jwahar R. Bammi) (11/24/89)
i dont know why so many people are wasting so much netbandwidth, flinging mud
etc over the blitter. just grab a hold of the PD quickSt or buy a
copy of TurboSt. for 99.99% of the stuff they perform as well or better than
the blitter (to convince yourself try them out).
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GEnie: J.Bammipa1329@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (pa1329) (11/24/89)
vapo(u)rware! vapo(u)rware! the 64-bit Atari SF is vaporware, too! (just joking)
rogers@ncrcce.StPaul.NCR.COM (Bob Rogers) (11/25/89)
In article <1817@atari.UUCP> kbad@atari.UUCP (Ken Badertscher) writes: >Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: > >| Neil Harris was the "Director of Marketing Information" [...] >| He promised the blitter upgrade, many times.. officially. > >Bob, I can't speak for Dave Meile, although I have the highest respect >for him, but _I_ have been an Atari follower for many years, in the >mags, online, and in news media. I can not remember a single time that >anyone from Atari officially announced availability of a BLiTTER >upgrade for 520s or 1040s. I _do_ remember that Neil and others >mentioned that it was being worked on. I guess you just heard what >you wanted to. When Neil Harris was an Atari employee he mentioned on GEnie that the blitter upgrade would be available to 1040 owners. He did not just say that it was "being worked on". Atari failed to deliver. Atari's behavior is familiar to those of us who owned Commodore computers during the Tramiels' tenure there. Products were shown at trade shows but never delivered, the FCC was blamed for late products, etc. At least the Tramiels' Commodore sold millions of the products it did have, something that the Tramiels' Atari has not been able to do. The machine I thought would be the "poor man's Mac" turned out to be "the rich man's Commodore 64." I must say, though, that the hardware is much more reliable that the C64's and it's a lot better for C hacking. -- ---- Bob Rogers rogers@stpaul.ncr.com or rogers@pnet51.cts.com NCR Comten, St. Paul, MN GEnie: R.C.ROGERS
Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com (11/27/89)
Just to clear up what seems to be a general misunderstanding: David Paschall-Zimbel says: >Yes, I was around on GEnie back in the good old days of 1986. No, I don't >remember reading anything which was labelled "OFFICAL PROMISE" from Neil >Harris. Neil Harris was the *OFFICIAL* representative of Atari Corp. *ANYTHING* he said, unless specifically accompanied by a disclaimer to the contrary was *OFFICIAL* from Atari Corp. It was HE who _insisted_ on adding the wording "Official On-Line Service of Atari Corp" to the log-on message. He enjoyed the limelight and perks of being the "Official Atari Rep", even thought he generally tried to duck the responsibility and work that went along with them. Atari Corp *themselves* acknowledged his "official" capacity several times when they came down on him for overstepping what they wanted revealed to the public. The premature release of pricing on the Megas was one of these times. So when Neil Harris would say something like "the Blitter upgrade will cost $120 including the daughterboard and TOS 1.2 ROMS, and it will have to be installed by a local dealer", this was *NOT* just some flunky employee spouting off unofficial rumors. Yes, I *do* have copies of virtually everything that went on during that time, including public messages, conferences and private "nasty-grams" from Neil Harris. No, I don't plan on wasting my time searching them just to fill in faulty or selective memories. Most people did not attend _every_ conference, or read _every_ public message. I did, and I heard enough claims and announcements of the blitter upgrade from the "Official" Atari Representative. BobR
koreth@panarthea.ebay.sun.com (Steven Grimm) (11/28/89)
In article <24502@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
[lots of stuff about GEnie and Neil Harris, the thrust of which is that he
thinks Atari lied to him]
Unless you have some point to make, can we stop this discussion? What do
you expect to gain by all this? Do you expect Atari to say, "Oh! Sorry,
I guess we promised it, and we really developed it, so you'll have yours
tomorrow!" or somesuch? If you do, you're being very naive. If you don't,
why carry on with what seems like pointless, petty bickering over a moot
point? It's not helping anyone, and it's not going to accomplish anything.
If you must reply, please use E-mail so nobody else has to pay to get this
"discussion."
---
" !" - Marcel Marceau
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sgrimm@sun.com ...!sun!sgrimmrogers@ncrcce.StPaul.NCR.COM (Bob Rogers) (11/29/89)
In article <24502@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: >Just to clear up what seems to be a general misunderstanding: > >David Paschall-Zimbel says: >>Yes, I was around on GEnie back in the good old days of 1986. No, I don't >>remember reading anything which was labelled "OFFICAL PROMISE" from Neil >>Harris. > >Neil Harris was the *OFFICIAL* representative of Atari Corp. *ANYTHING* >he said, unless specifically accompanied by a disclaimer to the contrary >was *OFFICIAL* from Atari Corp. In the October, 1986 issue of "COMPUTE!'s Atari ST" magazine Atari President Sam Tramiel said (interview, "Sam Tramiel Speaks Out", p21): "When the blit is ready, your 520 and your 1040 will be upgradable with the blitter. We're working that out. There will be no problem for both STs to take the blit." What might explain this sort of behavior on Atari's part? Perhaps the answer is contained in an interview with Jack Tramiel that appeared in the Winter, 1986 issue of "STart". The interviewer said: "The Wall Street Journal wrote, 'Commodore under Jack Tramiel was notorious for announcing products that never made it to retailers' shelves.' That's a perception that must create difficulty in dealing with retailers." Jack replied: "The retailers, or anyone else I would have problems with - they do not understand the market, and they must be selling other products than mine so they like to say what I'm doing is wrong. When you plan a product that normally takes 12 months or longer better technology can be produced during that time. Then it's important to kill the product before it reaches the market because it's very expensive to kill after it comes out. I am not afraid to announce my intentions, but I'm very careful before I put it on a dealer's shelf. Anyway, I'm not working for the Wall Street Journal. What they say really doesnn't interest me." -- ---- Bob Rogers rogers@stpaul.ncr.com or rogers@pnet51.cts.com NCR Comten, St. Paul, MN GEnie: R.C.ROGERS
achowe@tiger.waterloo.edu (anthony howe) (11/29/89)
>In article <24502@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: >[lots of stuff about GEnie and Neil Harris, the thrust of which is that he > thinks Atari lied to him] > Is there a way to modify the read-news kill-file so as to kill by author rather than by subject? I'm rather sick of this person and the band width that has been waste on such topics! - ant achowe@tiger.waterloo.edu | "It is hard to make the world go away _ -|-|_ _ | when it has decided to notice you." (_\ |\| | | | (_) |\| \/ | - Spock's World ___/ | disclaimer...
krs@stag.UUCP (Kent Schumacher) (12/03/89)
[Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes...] > [... nothing important deleted (nothing important kept, either) ...] > > Yes, I *do* have copies of virtually everything that went on during that > time, including public messages, conferences and private "nasty-grams" > from Neil Harris. No, I don't plan on wasting my time searching them just > to fill in faulty or selective memories. > > Most people did not attend _every_ conference, or read _every_ public > message. I did, and I heard enough claims and announcements of the blitter > upgrade from the "Official" Atari Representative. > > BobR *yawn* OK Bob, you've convinced me. Atari is the evil empire on earth. Neil Harris was their point man (possibly the devil incarnate?). It's fortunate that we (that's us, the forces of Good) were able to seperate Neil from Atari. You've established that your dozens of earlier post's were justified, your credibility has been proved impeccable. It's a good thing you chose the route of posting repetitive emotional messages on non-issues followed up by reactionary defensive postings to establish your current exalted status. Most people would have chosen the more common method of posting well-thought out and objective messages on interesting topics. Please, do reply (directly of course, this is far too good for the general populace). I am always prepared to deal with your posts appropriately. - Kent Schumacher It's... ardvar!krs@stag.UUCP GEnie: K.SCHUMACHE1