cmm1@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Christopher M Mauritz) (12/20/89)
While I think this is a good idea, I am somewhat annoyed that this arrangement only helps GEnie (a profiteering company) and does naught for the users of this net. So, even though you personally may get no benefit from the arrangement, GEnie does and I am therefore against the practice. I'm sure that the powers that be in Usenet will not be pleased either. Just my $.02.... Chris Mauritz ------------------------------+--------------------------- Chris Mauritz |Where there's a BEER, cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |there's a plan. (c)All rights reserved. | Send flames to /dev/null |Need I say more? ------------------------------+---------------------------
nrc@cbnews.ATT.COM (neal.r.caldwell..ii) (12/21/89)
From article <CMM.0.88.630161342.cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu>, by cmm1@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Christopher M Mauritz): > While I think this is a good idea, I am somewhat annoyed that this > arrangement only helps GEnie (a profiteering company) and does naught > for the users of this net. So, even though you personally may get no > benefit from the arrangement, GEnie does and I am therefore against the > practice. I'm sure that the powers that be in Usenet will not be > pleased either. Just my $.02.... > > Chris Mauritz > > ------------------------------+--------------------------- > Chris Mauritz |Where there's a BEER, > cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |there's a plan. > (c)All rights reserved. | > Send flames to /dev/null |Need I say more? > ------------------------------+--------------------------- I agree whole heartedly! This arrangement puts money into GEnie and does the net absolutely no good. Dave, you've done a lot of good things for the Atari community but please put a stop to this before it goes any further. I wonder if Chris's copyright notice is a good way to stop this sort of thing. Better still, how about something more specific.... >>>>>> No portion of this messsage may be posted to any for-profit <<<<< >>>>>> information service! <<<<< ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't drive too slowly." Richard Caldwell AT&T Network Systems nrc@cbnews att!cbnews!nrc (614) 860-2206
src@cs.odu.edu (Scott R. Chilcote) (12/21/89)
In article <12486@cbnews.ATT.COM> nrc@cbnews.ATT.COM (neal.r.caldwell..ii) writes: >From article <CMM.0.88.630161342.cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu>, by cmm1@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Christopher M Mauritz): >> While I think this is a good idea, I am somewhat annoyed that this >> arrangement only helps GEnie (a profiteering company) and does naught >> for the users of this net. >> ... >> Chris Mauritz >I agree whole heartedly! This arrangement puts money into GEnie and >does the net absolutely no good. >for the Atari community but please put a stop to this before it goes any >further. > >"Don't drive too slowly." Richard Caldwell There is a solution to this, but GEnie must be willing to reciprocate fairly for their gain if they intend to plunder Usenet for their own advan- tage. I am not against allowing more general access to comp.sys.atari.st if it will help support the US Atari ST owning community. But since GEnie is a for-profit service -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | To be fair, they should return the benefit by posting summaries of their | |postings, and cullings from their PD uploads, to Usenet in return. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is time for two new Newsgroups: comp.genie.atari.st.talk and comp.genie.atari.st.bin . These should both be newsgroups moderated by GEnie staffers. Sounds FAIR to me! ______________________________________________________________________________ Scott Chilcote src@cs.odu.edu ST stands for "Sidestepped Tramiel"!
ltf@attctc.Dallas.TX.US (Lance Franklin) (12/21/89)
In article <CMM.0.88.630161342.cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >While I think this is a good idea, I am somewhat annoyed that this >arrangement only helps GEnie (a profiteering company) and does naught >for the users of this net. So, even though you personally may get no >benefit from the arrangement, GEnie does and I am therefore against the >practice. I'm sure that the powers that be in Usenet will not be >pleased either. Just my $.02.... Powers that be? In Usenet??? :-) At any rate, I fail to see how this should trouble anybody...I assume they're paying whoever they're getting the feed from for their trouble, and since it's a one-way connection (UseNet-->GEnie), it won't effect the bandwidth usage in the slightest...They are providing a service for their subscribers, who can use or not use the service at their own choice...If they don't use it, they don't pay for it. Who's being harmed in this transaction? Not the users of GEnie...those who don't use the service are not harmed, those who do apparently are willing to pay the price...UseNet as a whole is not harmed, since it's not adding to the bandwidth usage, and the system providing the feed to GEnie is not harmed, indeed they are probably benifiting from the additional income. So...what's the problem? Lance -- +-------------------------+ +------------------------------------------+ | Lance T Franklin | | "And all who heard should see them there, | ltf@attctc.DALLAS.TX.US | | And all should cry, Beware! Beware! +-------------------------+ + His flashing eyes, his floating hair!"
rcc9885@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.C. Costello) (12/21/89)
In article <12486@cbnews.ATT.COM> nrc@cbnews.ATT.COM (neal.r.caldwell..ii) writes: > >I agree whole heartedly! This arrangement puts money into GEnie and >does the net absolutely no good. Dave, you've done a lot of good things >for the Atari community but please put a stop to this before it goes any >further. > I think you are looking at this the wrong way!! So what if GEnie is a profit orientented business. If you want to put up you own UUCP site its going to cost you $$$. You would most likely then pass this charge on to anyone who uses your system. They get USENET out of the deal and you get money for up-keep. Why is it that everyone has to get something from something. Why can't you except the fact that this link will give you the ability to Email to MANY MANY more people. In turn, they get to read comp.sys.atari.st, where all the techie stuff is (ha! :) ) I don't see how effects anyone single person in anyway other than allowing them a wider communication area. Now I will be able to send mail to a friends in Cape Cod and Connecticut FREE of CHARGE for me. Of course they have to pay, but oh well. I don't see how you can look at this link any different than the link you are using. The only thing I would change is allow them to post to USENET, maybe mail to some spooler that will post the message instead of mailing it.. I've been QUIETLY reading USENET for 2 1/2 years now, and have found it not to be as HIGH tech (ST gurus) as its made out to be. I have found it to be a GREAT source of information however, but only becuase I have had the ability to MAIL my questions to someone at DC Utilities (Thanks guys!) or some on at Atari, and now, Dave Small. I think you all just want something for nothing! Dave, its a GREAT Idea, and I hope you get mail working SOON! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Don't drive too slowly." Richard Caldwell > AT&T Network Systems > nrc@cbnews > att!cbnews!nrc > (614) 860-2206 +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Where Am I? |X| "Of course I made a backup copy, actually I made two, the_| +-----------------+--------+ first one was too light." - typical IBM user |X| | rcc9885@ultb.isc.rit.edu +--------------------------------------------------+ | rcc9885@ultb.edu _| | | | Atari ST: The BIGGEST and FASTEST and | | rcc9885@ritvax.BITNET |X| | | | most POWERFUL computer in the whole _| +--------------------------+ / | \ entire ... Well, um, I still like it.|X| | I don't work for anyone, +-------------------------------------------+------+ | so, it doesn' matter _| NOTE: Now if I could only have this many_| | what I think. |X| windows open under GEM! |X| +--------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
hedger@inmet.inmet.com (12/21/89)
I think the problem people are having is that Genie will make money by selling access to the information in this newsgroup. However, nobody who uses this newsgroup, some of whom can't afford or do not wish to afford access to Genie, get no benifit from Genie, like a download of information from THEIR newsgroup. They make a profit, the people here on the Net get nothing in return. Personally, I see their point. I subscribe to Genie and there are some good files out there. I think that if we upload this newsgroup to Genie, some reciprocation is in order. Otherwise, would we like to have people who run a Net node in their bedroom, grab these notefiles, then upload all of the stuff from here into a pay-for BBS running on a another machine in their bedroom? I don't think that most people on the net would like it if they knew someone was making money by selling access to what is supposed to be a freely accessible resource. By uploading to Genie with no reciprocating arrangement, we would be allowing the same thing to be done. ===================================================================== | | | Keith Hedger : {...!}uunet!inmet!hedger hedger@inmet.inmet.com | | 'It is a sad, but beautiful world..........' | =====================================================================
karl@es56.UUCP (Karl Rowley) (12/22/89)
Why does everyone have such a problem with forwarding Usenet messages to Genie? There are already other services out there that provide access to Usenet messages for a fee. Not everyone has access to Usenet through their place of work. No one will be forced to pay Genie for access to Usenet messages. If anyone posting to Usenet doesn't like the idea of people having to pay, then they can choose not to post. The beauty of Usenet is that it is difficult for anyone to force their form of tyranny on anyone else. That is my two cents worth. Copy me directly on any replies -- I am waiting by my mailbox with a bucket of cold water. Karl Rowley Evans and Sutherland Computer Division 1808 N. Shoreline Blvd. Mountain View, California, USA ...!amdahl!escd!karl escd!karl@decwrl.dec.com