[net.music] Bushmania

nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (Doug Alan) (10/15/85)

> Bert S.F. Lo (lo@harvard.ARPA)

> Madonna's "Like A Virgin" had already been knocked out by some K-TEL -
> ish UK top 20 hits collection. That's what Kate Bush dethroned.

Depends on which charts you look at...  In any case, KB is #1 on all of
them....  Which just shows that even though it sometime seems that the
world is overrun by by people with lousy taste, there are a lot of
people out there with good taste too -- which is encouraging.  (There
are other artists who do really well too that also help to show this:
Pink Floyd, King Crimson, etc.)

> Yeah, right. WFNX does not even rank in the top 20 in the Arbitron ratings.
> #1 songs on WFNX are popular among college students and the Spit crowd but
> that's it.

Who represent one of the major record buying groups!  It's a big enough
croud to put The Cure in The Orpheum, which Kate Bush could undoubtedly
sell out if she came here.  Which explains why KB's album is selling
like mad in all the record stores.

KB's huge success isn't just limited to Boston, though.  I know someone
in Maryland who went to buy "Hounds of Love" the week after it came out.
He went to three different types of record stores, and they were all
sold out.  One had just received a shipment of 50 two days previous.
And another had sold their 50 in under a week.  He had to settle for
Husker Du.

> V66 has to be commended for playing a lot of stuff that the CHR radio
> stations and syndicated/network video programs don't touch. However,
> that is the same music that WFNX plays and as I've said, it has a
> limited following.

Maybe, but they are primarily mainstream commercial.  And KB's video was
number one.

And Kate Bush is also now in "active rotation" on MTV (though it's not
the real video).

> I'm making no comments on Kate Bush or "Hounds Of Love" but I have to agree
> that this Bushmania that Doug perceives is exaggerated.

Hey, I just stated the facts.  Her record is being pushed heavily by all
the record stores (and is #1 in one and #3 in another), and there are
TV, radio, and newspaper ads for it.  Maybe I'm a little less ambitious
in my criterion for someone to be a "huge success", but I consider Peter
Gabriel to be a big success, and right now, Kate Bush is in the
limelight in Boston much more than Peter Gabriel ever was.  It's also
very strange to suddenly see TV commercials and stuff for someone who
you have loved for years, but have never before even *ever* heard one of
their songs on the radio.

> Over the last 3 years, there have an uncountable number of 1.5 hit
> wonders that were hyped beyond belief and then disappeared (Dead Or
> Alive, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Depeche Mode, Animotion, Berlin,
> Re-Flex, Real Life, Toto Coelo, General Public, Bananarama, ...).

Kate Bush has been a superstar in England since 1978 -- she's had 5 hit
albums and 10 or so hit singles over the years.  So, I don't think your
saying that she's the next Frankie holds much water.

> Just wait about 5 weeks, Doug, when Kate peaks outside the top 20 in
> the US and suddenly all her new "fans" desert her for someone new.

And if that were to happen, what would it prove?  I wasn't saying that
Kate Bush's new-found success in the U.S. proves anything at all about
the quality of what she does.  It's just interesting to watch....

			-Doug Alan
			  nessus@mit-eddie.UUCP (or ARPA)

lo@harvard.ARPA (Bert S.F. Lo) (10/16/85)

> > Bert S.F. Lo (lo@harvard.ARPA)
> 
> > Yeah, right. WFNX does not even rank in the top 20 in the Arbitron ratings.
> > #1 songs on WFNX are popular among college students and the Spit crowd but
> > that's it.
> 
> Who represent one of the major record buying groups!  It's a big enough

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> croud to put The Cure in The Orpheum, which Kate Bush could undoubtedly
> sell out if she came here.  Which explains why KB's album is selling
> like mad in all the record stores.
> 
> KB's huge success isn't just limited to Boston, though.  I know someone
> in Maryland who went to buy "Hounds of Love" the week after it came out.
> He went to three different types of record stores, and they were all
> sold out.  One had just received a shipment of 50 two days previous.
> And another had sold their 50 in under a week.  He had to settle for
> Husker Du.
> 
> > I'm making no comments on Kate Bush or "Hounds Of Love" but I have to agree
> > that this Bushmania that Doug perceives is exaggerated.
> 
> Hey, I just stated the facts.  Her record is being pushed heavily by all
> the record stores (and is #1 in one and #3 in another), and there are
> TV, radio, and newspaper ads for it.  Maybe I'm a little less ambitious
> in my criterion for someone to be a "huge success", but I consider Peter
> Gabriel to be a big success, and right now, Kate Bush is in the
> limelight in Boston much more than Peter Gabriel ever was.

OK. Then we're definitely talking about different things when we mean "huge
success".

> > Over the last 3 years, there have an uncountable number of 1.5 hit
> > wonders that were hyped beyond belief and then disappeared (Dead Or
> > Alive, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Depeche Mode, Animotion, Berlin,
> > Re-Flex, Real Life, Toto Coelo, General Public, Bananarama, ...).
> 
> Kate Bush has been a superstar in England since 1978 -- she's had 5 hit
> albums and 10 or so hit singles over the years.  So, I don't think your
> saying that she's the next Frankie holds much water.

I'm not saying she's another Frankie. I'm saying that the US music industry and
the buying public have had this habit in the last few years of turning everyone
into one hit wonders, regardless of how long they've been around. Depeche Mode
have been around since 1980 with 4 hit albums and 11 hit singles in England,
yet look what happened to them in the US. "People Are People" goes top 15 and
then the group disappears from the US charts. And what about Bryan Ferry's
recent solo LP ? "Slave To Love" did pretty well on CHR radio but can this be
said for the album or the followup single "Can't Stop The Dance" ?

> > Just wait about 5 weeks, Doug, when Kate peaks outside the top 20 in
> > the US and suddenly all her new "fans" desert her for someone new.
> 
> And if that were to happen, what would it prove?  I wasn't saying that
> Kate Bush's new-found success in the U.S. proves anything at all about
> the quality of what she does.  It's just interesting to watch....

As I said before, I make no comments on her music, only on her current status
and possible future status as an important force in the American music scene
from a commercial aspect.  Americans over the last 3 years have demonstrated 
an incredible fickleness in music. Very few artists have had more than 1.5
hit singles in this period and even those that manage to hit with an album
don't last long. Look at Sade and Power Station. Lots of initial hoopla. An
album in the top 10 for 4 or 5 weeks then POOF! Gone. And the sad part is that
after everyone in the US has heard those 1.5 hits by an artist, the artist is
more or less washed up (in terms of US success). The only artist in the last 3
years I can remember that has been able to come back after being washed up is
ABC. Oh yeah, and maybe Thompson Twins (if the new single succeeds).

I agree that it will be interesting to watch what befalls Kate Bush. It would
be amusing to see her hit 3 or 4 times and remain a hit, joining the ranks of
Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Duran Duran, Wham! and others.

_________________________Bert S.F. Lo (lo@harvard.ARPA)_________________________

rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (10/19/85)

> Over the last 3 years, there have an uncountable number of 1.5 hit
> wonders that were hyped beyond belief and then disappeared (Dead Or
> Alive, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Depeche Mode, Animotion, Berlin,
> Re-Flex, Real Life, Toto Coelo, General Public, Bananarama, ...). [Bert Lo]

I think this bespeaks such a lack of knowledge of the history of some of these
groups as to render such an opinion empty of content.  Depeche Mode have
been around for a number of years, as has Bananarama.  General Public's
nucleus was once a part of the Beat (alias the English Beat), which was a major
force in the British ska revival for many years.  Next thing, this person
will be calling UB40, or Elvis Costello, or Joe Jackson, or Simple Minds
"one hit wonders", too.  ("Hey, uh, Simple Minds suddenly released this one
song from the Breakfast Club movie out of nowhere, right?")
-- 
Anything's possible, but only a few things actually happen.
					Rich Rosen    pyuxd!rlr

lo@harvard.ARPA (Bert S.F. Lo) (10/22/85)

> > Over the last 3 years, there have an uncountable number of 1.5 hit
> > wonders that were hyped beyond belief and then disappeared (Dead Or
> > Alive, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Depeche Mode, Animotion, Berlin,
> > Re-Flex, Real Life, Toto Coelo, General Public, Bananarama, ...). [Bert Lo]
> 
> I think this bespeaks such a lack of knowledge of the history of some of these
> groups as to render such an opinion empty of content.  Depeche Mode have
> been around for a number of years, as has Bananarama.  General Public's
> nucleus was once a part of the Beat (alias the English Beat) which was a major
> force in the British ska revival for many years.  Next thing, this person
> will be calling UB40, or Elvis Costello, or Joe Jackson, or Simple Minds
> "one hit wonders", too.  ("Hey, uh, Simple Minds suddenly released this one
> song from the Breakfast Club movie out of nowhere, right?")
> -- 
> Anything's possible, but only a few things actually happen.
>                   Rich Rosen    pyuxd!rlr

Depeche Mode - Dreaming Of Me / Ice Machine
               New Life / Shout!
               Just Can't Get Enough / Any Second Now
               See You / Now, This Is Fun
               The Meaning Of Love / Oberkorn (It's A Small Town)
               Leave In Silence / Further Excerpts from My Secret Garden
               Get The Balance Right / The Great Outdoors
               Everything Counts / Work Hard
               Love In Itself / Fools
               People Are People / In Your Memory
               Master And Servant / (Set Me Free) Remotivate Me
               Blasphemous Rumours / Somebody
               Shake The Disease / Flexible
               It's Called A Heart / Fly On The Windscreen

               Speak 'n' Spell
               A Broken Frame
               Construction Time Again
               People Are People
               Some Great Reward
               The Singles Collection (1980-1985)

Bananarama (offshoot from Fun Boy Three & Bananarama)
           - Shy Boy (Don't It Make You Feel Good)
             Cheers Then
             He Was Really Sayin' Something
             Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye
             Cruel Summer
             Robert DeNiro's Waiting
             Rough Justice
             The Wild Life
             Do Not Disturb

             Deep Sea Skiving
             Bananarama

Had enough ?

Try rereading the line in context, Rich. All comments were made with respect to
the success of the artists in the US. The artists I've listed were all 1.5 hit
wonders in the US, regardless of whether they were (1) well established in the
UK (Depeche Mode, Bananarama) (2) offshoots of bands well established in the UK
(General Public, Bananarama (sort of)) (3) recently humungously successful in
the UK (Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Dead Or Alive) (4) dead in the UK (Re-Flex,
Real Life, Toto Coelo) or even (5) American (Animotion, Berlin).

I am well aware that some of the artists I listed and the ones you added are
major forces in the UK music scene. That isn't the point. The point is that in
this country (the United States of America (I hope I'm stressing this enough
for you, Rich)), not one could be considered a big hit. In fact, not one of
them could be considered any bigger than, say, Sheila E.

_________________________Bert S.F. Lo (lo@harvard.ARPA)_________________________