kar7481@cuphub.cup.edu (Dan Karbowsky;AtariEliteOfPghPa bbs412-384-5609) (02/19/90)
Would it be too much to ask to PLEASE change the SUBJECT HEADER
on messages in the "ATARI ELITE ST Org. of Pittsburgh" thread!?!?!
The constant posting of "xxx yyy zzz piracy..." under the SUBJECT HEADER
mentioned above is likely to give quite a few people THE WRONG IDEA!
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I know of no ST usergroup who desires to be associated with piracy--
THE ATARI ELITE of Pittsburgh is *NO EXCEPTION*
Might I suggest a NEW SUBJECT THREAD like "PIRACY...ZZZ YYY XXX..."
or something of the sort?
P.S; To all who'll be attending the T.A.F. show on April 1 in Mississagua,
Ontario-- Be looking for Blue-And-White-clad Americans with the urge
to help Canada's economy--(There should be 30 or so of us... :-) )
Again, let me reitterate-- PLEASE DISASSOCIATE THE ABOVEMENTIONED
USERGROUP WITH PIRACY---IF ANYTHING WILL KILL A USERGROUP,
IT IS SPORATIC,SPOTTY,UN-FACTUAL ACCUSATIONS THAT
HAVE NOT BEEN INVESTIGATED!!!
To those who hurled the "Atari Elite = PIRACY" stones:
Please take the time from now on to find out just who
owns the glass you will be attempting to break.....
( and also if it is justified [without FACTS] )
RE: The comment made by Mickey Boyd at (FSU?) about an "ELITE" level existing
on most BBS's.....Thanks for clearing this up for me----I was having
trouble figuring out how to summarize it 8-)
As Mr.Boyd said, ELITE on *** SOME *** boards refers to a secret level
that only a fistfull of pirates have access too...
BUT ONE MUST REALIZE THAT ON *** MOST *** BOARDS, THIS LEVEL IS RESERVED
FOR THE SysOp and/or CoSysOp's PRIVATE USE such as possibly Beta-Testing
a new software modification of some sort.
Ps#2; To those I may have offended with an earlier "NASTY-WORD(s)" post,
I have CANCELled it as of 4 days ago.....I realized that losing my
temper was NOT the most effective way to remedy the situation.
So, to those whom I have offended--I apologize.
To those I have ANGERED-- grow up.
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+--------------+--------------------------------------------------------------+stowe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (stowe) (02/20/90)
[Dan and a lot of other people talk about Piracy/Software Thieves and User Groups. Dan complains about their user group being defamed because it has the word Elite in the name.] Dan, Although I can sympathize with the "innocent until proven guilty" concept, it's also a very difficult (read: impossible) task to redefine a term that has been so closely associated with software theft for probably 10 years now. There are many terms that people use as a cloak to cover up their real meaning. The word "elite" is one that software thieves use. Unfortunately for your user group, having that word in the name will probably forever associate your group with software theft in the minds of people. I don't know when or how your group was named, but it was not the best choice for that reason alone. Perhaps the group once began as a theft group and has since changed its ways, I don't know, but it's unlikely that as long as it retains "Elite" in the name that people will not think of software theft. Perhaps (and sadly) your group should consider a name change. It's sad how often perfectly good words have been redefined into something totally unrelated and often with negative connotations. Holly -=-=- -=-=- -=-=- stowe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu You're not strange. I am. -=-=- -=-=- -=-=-
dav@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (William David Haas) (02/24/90)
<[Dan and a lot of other people talk about Piracy/Software Thieves and <User Groups. Dan complains about their user group being defamed because <it has the word Elite in the name.] <Dan, <it's also a very difficult (read: impossible) task to redefine a term that <has been so closely associated with software theft for probably 10 years now. <There are many terms that people use as a cloak to cover up their real <meaning. The word "elite" is one that software thieves use. Unfortunately <for your user group, having that word in the name will probably forever <associate your group with software theft in the minds of people. I don't <know when or how your group was named, but it was not the best choice for <that reason alone. Perhaps the group once began as a theft group and has <since changed its ways, I don't know, but it's unlikely that as long as <it retains "Elite" in the name that people will not think of software theft. <Perhaps (and sadly) your group should consider a name change. Thats funny... I thought Elite! was a space game. The word is being used wrong... lets wipe out the thieves and we wont have the problem. ;) (Yeah.. I know.. easier said than done).