PETERS@RODNEY.enet.dec.com (Don Peters, CTC2-1, DTN 287-3153 12-Feb-1990 1222) (02/13/90)
In article <28201@brunix.UUCP>, rjd@cs.brown.edu (Rob Demillo) writes: > > The reason I can say this is because I have attended ST User Group > meetings in three different communities. In all three cases, the > scene is entirely the same: a brief meeting is held, some software > is demoed, then what can only be described as an orgy of software > piracy begins. Its mallicious, its organized, and its massive. I helped found the Nashua Area ST User Society (NASTUS) several years ago and have been its president for the past year. Prior to that I was the club software librarian. So I can say with authority that our club has NEVER condoned or engaged in this sort of activity. In fact, when we officers heard a rumor of a local BBS offering pirated ST software, we included a note in our newsletter saying we are strongly against pirating. I also attend the Nashoba Valley ST User Society (NAVaUS), and was their librarian for a year. Same thing there. In fact, at one time a member pointed out that I had inadvertantly included a commercial telecommunications program in our library. After verifying that what he said was true, I removed it from the library. Going further, I previously attended meetings of the ST subgroup of the Boston Computer Society, knew the librarian, and swapped public domain disks with him. Neither he nor the members dealt with any pirate software that I was aware of. So while I can't speak for clubs I haven't attended, all three ST clubs I've associated with in the past five years have in no way even come close to software pirating orgies. Don Peters NASTUS President (508)-250-3153
mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) (02/15/90)
Heck, if you really want to make a difference, don't just write a
letter,or make an announcement saying you're clean, the pirate
boards just laugh in your face anyway, what do they care?
Heck, just infiltrate the bloody organization, and format their
hard disk, or palm an indistrial magnet, and run them over the
disks....
Plant worms, viruses, program new viruses to screw up their
systems. Do something, rather than point and hope someone does
something.
Besides, *DON'T* believe all the "we're clean" postings, as here in
Sacramento, an Atari BBS had a "secret" download section full of
pirated Atari software, while they claimed that they do not condone
pirating. See, what do pirates care? Unfortunately, although I was
close to breaking in, I was cut off... I was close though...
Mata ne da-tcha,
Mark Newton-John
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uunet!mmsac! / the good guys!weaver@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (weaver) (02/16/90)
In article <2554@sactoh0.UUCP> mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes: > >Heck, if you really want to make a difference, don't just write a >letter,or make an announcement saying you're clean, the pirate >boards just laugh in your face anyway, what do they care? > >Heck, just infiltrate the bloody organization, and format their >hard disk, or palm an indistrial magnet, and run them over the >disks... Plant worms, viruses, program new viruses to screw up their >systems. Do something, rather than point and hope someone does >something. This is a good way to get yourself prosecuted. A better way would be to get the names of the people doing the pirating, the software packages they are copying, and turn them into the manufacturers. The FBI might not do anything, but you can bet some of the manufacturers of the software do. I remember something in my Fontz! manual where the author encouraged legit users to turn in illegit users of NeoCept's software to him personally. He stopped short of promising physical retribution, but gave the feeling that he would see to it personally that something would be done. Most developers of ST software (save for WP Corp. and some others) are not multi-million dollar enterprises, they are people like Dave Beckenmeyer, Dave Small and Derek Mihocha (sp?) who would like to derive a livelyhood from their work. You can bet your a*s they are interested in seeing pirating stopped.
matthews@umd5.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) (02/16/90)
In article <2554@sactoh0.UUCP> mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes: > [stuff deleted] >Plant worms, viruses, program new viruses to screw up their >systems. Do something, rather than point and hope someone does >something. Sure, so those worms, viruses, etc. will just be passed out into the rest of the world, where innocent people will get blasted. Great idea. The magnet thing has possibilities, though. :-) > [more stuff deleted, so that inews won't complain] >Mata ne da-tcha, >Mark Newton-John > Mike
cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher Roth) (02/17/90)
In article <2554@sactoh0.UUCP> mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes: > >Heck, if you really want to make a difference, don't just write a >letter,or make an announcement saying you're clean, the pirate >boards just laugh in your face anyway, what do they care? > >Heck, just infiltrate the bloody organization, and format their >hard disk, or palm an indistrial magnet, and run them over the >disks.... While Mark's basic desire to get rid of pirate bbs's is good, I do not suggest anyone follow his suggestion. It is, of course, illegal. You are not entitled to take the law into your own hands. Reporting the offending bbs is the best thing you can do. Planting worms and viruses, as mark suggests, can result in you getting into trouble as well. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= * Christoper Roth * "Machines have no * InterNet : cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu * Conscience..." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Post No Bills-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
clubok@husc4.HARVARD.EDU (Ken "The Snake" Clubok) (02/19/90)
In article <2554@sactoh0.UUCP> mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes: > >Heck, if you really want to make a difference, don't just write a >letter,or make an announcement saying you're clean, the pirate >boards just laugh in your face anyway, what do they care? . . . >Plant worms, viruses, program new viruses to screw up their >systems. Do something, rather than point and hope someone does >something. > This isn't even funny. The idea of planting viruses to "punish" pirates is ridiculous, because the virus is almost guaranteed to spread beyond those you are trying to punish. I hope this suggestion was made in jest, but even so, it shouldn't have been made. Ken Clubok clubok@husc4.bitnet clubok@husc4.harvard.edu
mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) (02/19/90)
In article <361@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU>, weaver@VAX1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (weaver) writes: > In article <2554@sactoh0.UUCP> mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes: > > > >Heck, if you really want to make a difference, don't just write a > >letter,or make an announcement saying you're clean, the pirate > >boards just laugh in your face anyway, what do they care? > > > >Heck, just infiltrate the bloody organization, and format their > >hard disk, or palm an indistrial magnet, and run them over the > >disks... Plant worms, viruses, program new viruses to screw up their > >systems. Do something, rather than point and hope someone does > >something. > > This is a good way to get yourself prosecuted. A better way would be to get > the names of the people doing the pirating, the software packages I very much *doubt* that. And by whom? "Oh Mr. DA, I run a BBS full of illegally copied software, and this guy planted a worm and formatted my drive..." Yeah, right. Actually, I would rather get some friends of mine, the torpedo twins, Guido and Tony, to format their system. That would probably be more effective, as pirates have backups of software, but not many pirates have backups of their faces... Yeah, I'd like to see some dweeb bithead who doesn't have a life file a complaint against someone who "persuades" them not to post copyright software. -- Mark Newton-John (ames att sun)!pacbell! \ Sakura-mendo, CA ucdavis!csusac! - sactoh0!mfolivo uunet!mmsac! / the good guys!
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The Amiga world is already the unfortunate victim of a virus that was
apparantly meant as an attack on pirates called "lamers", hence the name
Lamer Exterminator. It works by screwing up diskcopies (only) by, I
believe, writing the word "LAMER" to random blocks during a diskcopy.
Needless to say this virus rapidly escaped the bounds of pirates and is in
the general Amiga community. I am not sure who I would consider the
bigger scumbuckets, big time pirates or destructive virus programmers,
so it is hard to decide the lesser of these two evils.
BTW, I think that a lamer is a type of pirate who just passes the
disks around but doesn't do any cracking or the other hard stuff
himself.
former ST owner who liked the
computer but not the companies
policies,
Rick Huntthurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) (02/24/90)
mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes: >Heck, if you really want to make a difference, don't just write a >letter,or make an announcement saying you're clean, the pirate >boards just laugh in your face anyway, what do they care? >Plant worms, viruses, program new viruses to screw up their >systems. Do something, rather than point and hope someone does >something. This is bullshit. What happens is that a lot of innocents who just bought their machines three days ago and don't even know what piracy and copyrights *are* yet will get burned big by this, sure as hell. Prevention of piracy is a never-ending process, not just a long one. You have to get the people who will listen to think about violation of property rights piracy does, as well as the complete lack of any support from any legitimate source and the very real possibility that you'll get your balls sued off if you benefit from having used the software. The ones who won't listen will get theirs; I believe in the old "Time wounds all heels" quip, though I didn't ever report pirates to the authorities. The ones who do the most damage seem to get theirs anyway, eventually. But I will do what I can to try to convince people not to pirate, and I would not permit copying of any restricted software at meetings of my old club. Rob T -- -- Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com One more day until skiing! Seven more days until the Bay Area!
thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) (02/24/90)
mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes: >> This is a good way to get yourself prosecuted. A better way would be to get >> the names of the people doing the pirating, the software packages >I very much *doubt* that. And by whom? "Oh Mr. DA, I run a BBS full >of illegally copied software, and this guy planted a worm and >formatted my drive..." How about the fellow who, in all innocence, got hold of the infected software he thought was free of copyright that proceeded to eat his hard disk? He has a valid tort, and you're the biggest and most obviously wrong target. I'm not interested in seeing this shit happen anymore. I've seen too much harm done by viruses already, and anyone who makes it worse for any reason, or advocates it, is a horses ass. Rob T -- -- Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com One more day until skiing! Seven more days until the Bay Area!