cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Anubis) (03/26/90)
Hello, I am having a problem trying to figure out the cause of a crash I am getting on my ST. I originally noticed the problem when I switched resolutions from low to medium and I got 4 bombs. I have been trying to figure out if it is a combination of programs in the auto folder and accessories, but have not been able to determine if there is a conflict or if it is just that a certain number of accessories and programs causes a 4 bomb error. Also, I have noticed that a lot of the time if I switch res with Oat Bran installed, the system will just hang up. Screen white, cursor in the top left corner. I have tos 1.4, a 1040 ST, 2 drives. Has anyone had a similar problem? I've been spending a long time trying to figure out the cause. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= * Christoper Roth * "Machines have no * InterNet : cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu * Conscience..." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Post No Bills-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) (03/26/90)
In article <22746@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Chris Roth) writes: >Hello, > >I am having a problem trying to figure out the cause of a crash I am >getting on my ST. I originally noticed the problem when I switched >resolutions from low to medium and I got 4 bombs. I have been trying >to figure out if it is a combination of programs in the auto folder >and accessories, but have not been able to determine if there is a >conflict or if it is just that a certain number of accessories and >programs causes a 4 bomb error. Also, I have noticed that a lot of >the time if I switch res with Oat Bran installed, the system will just >hang up. Screen white, cursor in the top left corner. I have tos >1.4, a 1040 ST, 2 drives. Has anyone had a similar problem? I've >been spending a long time trying to figure out the cause. > Who says Oat Bran's not good for ya? The problem does not seem to be with Oat Bran itself. Try booting with no accessories and no auto-programs except Oat Bran. Switching resolutions works fine. (At least for me, and I have TOS 1.4 too.) (Actually, I tried it with Schizo and DC formatter resident as well.) I noticed that Quick ST (AUTO folder version 1.46) will cause a warm boot when you change from medium to low res (I didn't try going from low to medium). Perhaps this is causing your problem. Oat Bran doesn't do anything unsafe, undocumented, or unhealthy as far as I know. It just installs a little routine at the VBI vector. (I think it's at $70.) After the routine exectues, it jumps through the old vector (i.e., it calls the system VBI routine). Be wary of programs like Quick ST and formdial that replace certain parts of the OS. They sometimes rely on being called first, so if another program comes before them and steals the vector(s) they steal, they complain bitterly. The upshot of this is that the order things get called in is crucial. You may have to erase your AUTO folder and copy the files back in in a different order (with OS enhancements first) to get resolution changes to work properly. Dave Baggett dmb@cscwam.umd.edu
rdb@mtunf.ATT.COM (Ron DeBlock) (03/27/90)
In article <22746@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Chris Roth) writes: >Hello, > >I am having a problem trying to figure out the cause of a crash I am >getting on my ST. I originally noticed the problem when I switched >resolutions from low to medium and I got 4 bombs. I have been trying >to figure out if it is a combination of programs in the auto folder >and accessories, but have not been able to determine if there is a >conflict or if it is just that a certain number of accessories and >programs causes a 4 bomb error. Also, I have noticed that a lot of [stuff deleted] >* Christoper Roth * "Machines have no >* InterNet : cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu * Conscience..." I have had this problem also. It is caused by desk accessories and/or auto folder programs. The following programs caused a crash on res change in my system: WordPerfect Print Spooler (a desk accessory) ICD clock setting software (an auto folder programm- sets your clock from the clock on ICD's host adapter, if you reset the time in the control panel, the host adapter clock is updated. Note that there are two versions - the one that does not allow you to update the host adapter clock does not cause a crash) EasyDraw Snapshot ( a desk accessory that allows you to take screen snapshots) It took many hours of removing and reinstalling various combinatoins of programs to find the culprits. Any one of the above alone is enough to cause the crashes. You will have to find the program or combination of programs that causes the problems on your system, and boot without them whenever you know you will change resolutions. -- Ron DeBlock N2JSO rdb@mtunf.att.com !mtunf!rdb
matthews@umd5.umd.edu (Mike Matthews) (03/27/90)
In article <1990Mar25.211253.8909@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes: [stuff deleted] >things get called in is crucial. You may have to erase your AUTO >folder and copy the files back in in a different order (with OS >enhancements first) to get resolution changes to work properly. > >Dave Baggett >dmb@cscwam.umd.edu Or you could just use the program AUTOSORT, which will do that for you, without deleting anything. Far as I can tell, it reads up the files into memory, and writes them down in the correct order (yes, that means order in the directory, not just create-write, as that could produce different results). I think I saw it on terminator, could be on panarthea too. Mike
ignac@electro.UUCP (Ignac Kolenko) (03/27/90)
In article <1110@mtunf.ATT.COM> rdb@mtunf.ATT.COM (Ron DeBlock) writes: >In article <22746@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Chris Roth) writes: >>Hello, >> >>I am having a problem trying to figure out the cause of a crash I am >>getting on my ST. I originally noticed the problem when I switched >>resolutions from low to medium and I got 4 bombs. I have been trying >[stuff deleted] >>* Christoper Roth * "Machines have no >>* InterNet : cr1@beach.cis.ufl.edu * Conscience..." > > >I have had this problem also. It is caused by desk accessories and/or >auto folder programs. The following programs caused a crash on res >change in my system: [stuff deleted] this is a relatively common problem for accessories which patch vectors. upon res change, the accessories are reloaded, wiping out the originally loaded accessory, and along with that, the new patched vector code, causing multiple bombs. if atari somehow notified accessories that a res change was in process, then the accessories could unhook the vectors they hooked, and allow a proper transition from one resolution to another with no bombs. ... more wishful thinking by someone who does a lot of thinking ... -- =====Ignac A. Kolenko (The Ig)=====watmath!watcgl!electro!brasoft!ignac====== co-author of QuickST, and the entire line of Quick Software!!!! Branch Always Software Box 2624, Station B, Kitchener, Ont. CANADA N2H 6N2 =============================================================================