[comp.sys.atari.st] 1200/75 baud comms program?

huw@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Huw Price) (06/04/90)

Does anyone know of a PD or shareware communications program for 
the ST that supports a 1200/75 split baud rate?

Thanks,

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hase@netmbx.UUCP (Hartmut Semken) (06/11/90)

In article <1990Jun4.115808.25576@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> huw@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Huw Price) writes:
>Does anyone know of a PD or shareware communications program for 
>the ST that supports a 1200/75 split baud rate?

I think, it is impossible: the baud rate is generated by the timer D in
the MFP 68901 chip.
The generated clock is fed into the RCV_CLK and TR_CLK inputs of the
same chip (the 901 is used for the serial interface).

Without hacking the hardware (inside the ST or outside), it's
impossible.

But most modems and acoustic couplers will accept send data with 1200
baud and lower CTS (meaning "not-clear-to-send") when their buffer has
filled up.

hase
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jens@jeyhh.UUCP (Jens Ey) (06/12/90)

In article <784@netmbx.UUCP> hase@netmbx.UUCP (Hartmut Semken) writes:
> In article <1990Jun4.115808.25576@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> huw@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Huw Price) writes:
> >Does anyone know of a PD or shareware communications program for 
> >the ST that supports a 1200/75 split baud rate?
> 
> Without hacking the hardware (inside the ST or outside), it's
> impossible.
> 
It IS possible! Once upon a time there was a lovely little ACC on my disc
wich changed a few bits to run 1200/75 or 75/1200. I think it was PD but
I'm not sure. 
With this ACC it's possible to run these speeds with nearly all com-programs.
I'm sorry but I trashed it a year ago 'cause I didn't need it.

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ngse18@castle.ed.ac.uk (J R Evans) (06/12/90)

In article <1990Jun4...> huw@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Huw Price) asked:
>Does anyone know of a PD or shareware communications program for 
>the ST that supports a 1200/75 split baud rate?

To which Hartmut Semken responded with good reasons why
> ...
>Without hacking the hardware (inside the ST or outside), it's
>impossible.
> ...

However, Hartmut may not have the complete story.  One David Jones here
in the UK has distributed a shareware program which he claims provides
the conversion from V22 (1200/1200) to V23 (i.e. 1200/75).  I came
across a copy whilst tidying my disks recently, and could probably post
if prompted (it was less than 2K).  A disclaimer - my modem can generate
split rates internally, so I've never had cause to try it out myself.  

I recall reading a description of the kludge by which this was done, I think
written by David Jones himself in the very early days of the ST.  
It may be in the 'Best of Bix' section which Byte published at one time.
I think David has some connection with the CIX system here in Britain.

Russ

grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Graham Thomas) (06/14/90)

From article <784@netmbx.UUCP>, by hase@netmbx.UUCP (Hartmut Semken):
> In article <1990Jun4.115808.25576@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> huw@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Huw Price) writes:
>>Does anyone know of a PD or shareware communications program for 
>>the ST that supports a 1200/75 split baud rate?
> 
> I think, it is impossible: the baud rate is generated by the timer D in
> the MFP 68901 chip.
> The generated clock is fed into the RCV_CLK and TR_CLK inputs of the
> same chip (the 901 is used for the serial interface).
> 
> Without hacking the hardware (inside the ST or outside), it's
> impossible.
>

There are several commercial programs which allow you to call up
services transmitting at 1200/75 bits per second (V23).  Two of them are
Fastcom (the ST version of Vicom for the PC) and K-Comm.  They also
support viewdata services (videotex services operating to the Prestel
standard).  However, they are not PD/Shareware, and are not particularly
wonderful programs either.

Uniterm can be made to work with a 1200/75 service by using a PD program
called V23EMU.  It was written by David Jones in 1986 and is certainly
available on several UK bulletin boards.  I can mail a copy to anyone
who's interested.  I had some problems with some characters I typed not
being echoed to the screen, but I was never sure whether this was the
fault of the program or that of the complicated host I was accessing.

Graham
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huw@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Huw Price) (06/14/90)

From article <7501336@jeyhh.UUCP>, by jens@jeyhh.UUCP (Jens Ey):
> In article <784@netmbx.UUCP> hase@netmbx.UUCP (Hartmut Semken) writes:
>> In article <1990Jun4.115808.25576@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> huw@extro.ucc.su.oz.au (Huw Price) writes:
>> >Does anyone know of a PD or shareware communications program for 
>> >the ST that supports a 1200/75 split baud rate?
>> 
>> Without hacking the hardware (inside the ST or outside), it's
>> impossible.
>> 
> It IS possible! Once upon a time there was a lovely little ACC on my disc
> wich changed a few bits to run 1200/75 or 75/1200. I think it was PD but
> I'm not sure. 
> With this ACC it's possible to run these speeds with nearly all com-programs.
> I'm sorry but I trashed it a year ago 'cause I didn't need it.
>

If anyone has a copy of this lovely little ACC, could they email it to me?

Thanks.

 
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ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) (07/02/90)

In France there are a lot of BBS programs which suppose that you have
a 1200/75 modem behing your Atari.  This is because the Frecn PTT
authority gave out thousands of such modems under the name Minitel.

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