twiss@stolaf.UUCP (Thomas S. Twiss) (01/22/84)
How many other former Yes fans are disappointed in the return of a once good band. Although I think Yes put out some insipid tripe in some of their earlier albums (along with some masterpieces, too), I never once lost respect for their originality. Even if I didn't like a particular work, I always appreciated it because it was different. This band had a comparitively miniscule audience which proves that they almost NEVER pandered to the desires of their audience. But what about this new album? Is there any doubt that they have sold their souls to the pop music spirit?? I guess I'd rather see Yes have a hit single than other groups, but I still can't help being disappointed. Tom Twiss ...!ihnp4!stolaf!twiss all flames and responses welcome via mail or net P.S. Where did they get that incredibly mindless Journey-like guitarist?
ajaym@ihu1h.UUCP (Jay Mitchell) (01/22/84)
It is amazing to me how people can put down good music just because they turned from playing experimental noise to good solid, upbeat, likeable music. I liked some of Yes's music before the latest album and I like some of the new sounds also. But I judge each song on how I like and react to it. People have been saying the same thing about David Bowie -- that he finally gave in to the 'pop' pressure. Give me a break! He is just playing what people want to hear. I like the changes in both bands.
twiss@stolaf.UUCP (Thomas S. Twiss) (01/22/84)
Agreed. Pop music is not intrinsically bad. But there are certain characteristics of pop music which I find trivial. This is not to say that all pop music is bad, because if a good song becomes popular that doesn't ruin it (example: The Police), but I do lose a great deal of respect for "artists" who create music with certain inherent characteristics in mind (i.e. the pop standards). It seems very obvious to me that the members of Yes have abandoned their old creative style by restricting it to pop standards I know that music that is pop is not necessarily bad by definition, but anyone who writes SPECIFICALLY for that audience is restricting creativity by subjecting it to already existing standards. In my opinion, this is not creative artistry. Tom Twiss ...!ihnp4!stolaf!twiss As usual, the inevitable flames are welcome via net or mail. of excellence.
rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (01/24/84)
It is amazing to me how people can put down good music just because they turned from playing experimental noise to good solid, upbeat, likeable music. People have been saying the same thing about [others] --- that he finally gave in to the 'pop' pressure. Give me a break! He is just playing what people want to hear. -Jay Mitchell It is amazing to me how people put down TV shows just because they're not interesting or original but rather fluffy, simple, likeable shows. Give me a break! I'm just producing the kind of TV shows people want to see. Just take a look at "We've Got it Made"... -from an envisioned conversation with Fred Silverman It's amazing to me how people put down fast food simply because it doesn't have any organic matter in it. We're just feeding people what they want.." -Yutzo Flemburg, president of Dr. Chicken Restaurants I, for one, believe that creative artists have a responsibility to expand the boundaries of their craft rather than pandering to tastes and to the money that that brings. But then, there are those who like Rick Springfield and believe he has something to say (after all, he's solid, upbeat, likeable...). (I'm sorry. This is a music newsgroup. I shouldn't be talking about Rick Springfield. He's an "entertainer", much like Pia Zadora, Joan Rivers, Scott Baio, Laura Branigan, and Rod Stewart, not a creative artist.) P.S. I like Bowie's new album, and I'm beginning to like "Loaner of an Only Heart". Both combine originality with "popular likeableness". (Meaning that people who only listen to what they're told to listen to might accept the sounds.) What's wrong with that? (Those who consider Yes' earlier work to be "experimental noise" are probably not candidates for serious music discussion.) -- Pardon me for breathing... Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr
stevea@uiucdcs.UUCP (stevea ) (01/25/84)
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uiucdcs!stevea Jan 24 13:47:00 1984
I like quite a bit of the new Yes album (not "Owner", though), but I am
forced to agree about Trevor Rabin. He just doesn't cut it, especially after
the inevitable comparison with Steve Howe. I heard a rumor that Steve Howe
was leaving Asia to rejoin Yes, but have been unable to verify it... Anyone
else heard this? Also, in Rolling Stone, Jim Steinman said that he was going
to be working on the new Asia album, and possibly with Black Sabbath, as well!
This could be interesting....
Steve Alexander
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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CSnet: stevea@Uiuc ARPAnet: stevea.Uiuc@Rand-Relaypedz@smu.UUCP (02/10/84)
#R:stolaf:-131500:smu:15400004:000:778 smu!pedz Feb 9 01:28:00 1984 I agree with Rich but I think he should bit his tongue for mentioning the other guy's name. Seriously, the new Yes album is not YES. Rather some lesser form of music. I say this not because it has a pop sound to it but because the sound says nothing, the lyrics just drift by without meaning, the notes are simply played. The old Yes and the classic Yes songs (get it?) came at you with a message and a drive. The music was felt as well as heard. There was energy in the music. At a Yes concert, by mid-show, everyone was on their feet chearing and by the end, everyone in the audiance was exhasted. I doubt if the new stuff will generate that much excitement at a concert. Indeed, I bet the tour will still rely on the old stuff for the encores. Perry parsec!smu!pedz
gds@mit-eddie.UUCP (Greg Skinner) (02/15/84)
They play it all the time around here (Boston) on every station that
plays pop or rock music. I dunno the reason it has anything to do with
war either, but I suspect somewhere around the line "The President is on
the line ..." you will find out if you listen carefully.
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By the power of Grayskull!
Greg-bo, Prince of Eternia, Guard of the Secrets of Castle Grayskull
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