vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu (08/06/90)
I have ICDUTILS which I downloaded from Terminator to format my hard drive. The problem is that I can't set my drive to auto-boot because the HDUTIL.PRG asks for the master disk. Is there a way to get it to auto-boot? Can someone e-mail me another (newer?) ICD utility to allow my HD to auto-boot? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (if legal) Thanks for any help vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu
Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com (08/07/90)
To get your ICD disk to autoboot just put ICDBOOT.PRG in a folder named AUTO on the root directory of a floppy and put it in drive A. That's all it means by asking for the master disk.
andyc@hplsla.HP.COM (Andy Cassino) (08/08/90)
vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu writes: | | I have ICDUTILS which I downloaded from Terminator to format my hard drive. | The problem is that I can't set my drive to auto-boot because the HDUTIL.PRG | asks for the master disk. Is there a way to get it to auto-boot? Can someone | e-mail me another (newer?) ICD utility to allow my HD to auto-boot? | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (if legal) | | Thanks for any help | | vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu | ---------- You know, there's probably a real good reason that HDUTIL.PRG asks for the master disk! ICDUTILS are NOT in the public-domain, they are NOT shareware, they ARE copyrighted software that you are supposed to pay for. I've said it here many times before, ICD has strict wording in their documentation that their software may not be placed on BBS nor may it be transferred from person to person, even if both parties are registered users. The only legal way to get the software is from ICD (by mail, or their BBS) or on GEnie. Period. Any other way is illegal. Period. So, no, there is no legal way anyone can mail you a newer version that works. It sounds to me like ICD finally wised up and realized that just saying this wasn't enough, and now they've added some measures to protect against pirating. Three cheers for them if that's the case. Now, what the heck are ICDUTILS doing on Terminator? ps. Please direct junior-lawyer legal opinions to /dev/null. They won't do any good if ICD sics a real lawyer on the Terminator folks. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Andy Cassino % % Hewlett-Packard - Lake Stevens Instrument Division % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) (08/08/90)
In article <5440127@hplsla.HP.COM> andyc@hplsla.HP.COM (Andy Cassino) writes: >You know, there's probably a real good reason that HDUTIL.PRG asks for the >master disk! ICDUTILS are NOT in the public-domain, they are NOT shareware, >they ARE copyrighted software that you are supposed to pay for. > >I've said it here many times before, ICD has strict wording in their >documentation that their software may not be placed on BBS nor may it >be transferred from person to person, even if both parties are registered >users. The only legal way to get the software is from ICD (by mail, or >their BBS) or on GEnie. Period. Any other way is illegal. Period. So, no, >there is no legal way anyone can mail you a newer version that works. > >It sounds to me like ICD finally wised up and realized that just saying this >wasn't enough, and now they've added some measures to protect against >pirating. Three cheers for them if that's the case. > >Now, what the heck are ICDUTILS doing on Terminator? > >ps. Please direct junior-lawyer legal opinions to /dev/null. They won't do >any good if ICD sics a real lawyer on the Terminator folks. I understand your concern, and was pretty concerned myself upon reading this article. I just checked the copy of ICDUTILS we have on terminator. This is the beginning of the READ.ME file included in the archive: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- READ.ME 8/12/87 This file documents the ICD ST Hard Drive Utilities. These utilities are packaged with all ST Hard Drive Systems and ST Host Adapters sold by ICD. They are all Copyright (C) 1987 ICD, Inc., however, you are free to use and distribute these utilities as long as: 1) They are not sold or included with any other product unless an ICD Host Adapter is part of that product. 2) They are not modified in any way. 3) ICD is given credit for authorship of these files. 4) This documentation is included. * Any company wishing to include these utilities with their products must first obtain a license from ICD, Inc. or they will be in violation of Federal and/or International Copyright Laws. Licensed will display the license registration number. If you have any questions: ICD, Inc. 1220 Rock Street Rockford, IL 61101 Voice: 815-968-2228 Modem: 815-968-2229 FAX: 815-968-6888 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [remainder omitted -- hyc] This is obviously very old software here. It also seems to me to be quite explicit in stating that it is freely distributable. ICD's policy may have changed since then, but no one has notified us. No one has posted any messages on any nets I read to the effect of "please remove your old copies of our software from your archive" either, so I think this is still OK. I wouldn't trust it worth a damn, but I don't think there's any problem with distributing it. -- -- Howard Chu @ University of Michigan one million data bits stored on a chip, one million bits per chip if one of those data bits happens to flip, one million data bits stored on the chip...
jimmy@unix.cis.pitt.edu (James G Tauberg) (08/08/90)
In article <5440127@hplsla.HP.COM> andyc@hplsla.HP.COM (Andy Cassino) writes: > >You know, there's probably a real good reason that HDUTIL.PRG asks for the >master disk! ICDUTILS are NOT in the public-domain, they are NOT shareware, >they ARE copyrighted software that you are supposed to pay for. > >I've said it here many times before, ICD has strict wording in their >documentation that their software may not be placed on BBS nor may it >be transferred from person to person, even if both parties are registered >users. The only legal way to get the software is from ICD (by mail, or >their BBS) or on GEnie. Period. Any other way is illegal. Period. So, no, >there is no legal way anyone can mail you a newer version that works. First of all ICD software < IS > copyprotected in the sense that it will only work if an ICD host adapter is installed in the hard drive. Second, as you mentioned, ICD has a user supprot BBS which has for download ALL standard ICD utilities. ICD's board will allow anyone to download this software. It is unusable unless you have their host adapter anyway! Why are you getting so hot under the collar about this software that is clearly available to ICD owners? A lot to say about nothing. ICD's BBS number is (815) 968-2229 later, Jim Tauberg PS. I personally love my ICD Advantage Plus host adapter... I recommend it highly.
andyc@hplsla.HP.COM (Andy Cassino) (08/09/90)
Re: ICDUTILS on Terminator Given the preamble to the documentation for the programs available on Terminator (posted by Howard Chu), I agree that the programs are legally available on Terminator. My apologies to the original poster and to the Terminator folks; I was not aware that ICD's earlier policies were more lenient than their present policies. To address the question posed by Mr. Tauberg: > Why are you getting so hot under the collar about this software > that is clearly available to ICD owners? A lot to say about nothing. The current versions of the ICD programs come with documentation that clearly states how they may be distributed, and ICD has made it clear on GEnie that they are serious about it. As a case in point, there was a fellow that asked permission to give a copy of the latest utilities to a pal who had an ICD host adapter. ICD flatly refused, saying his friend had to download them from GEnie or ICD's BBS, or else mail-order and upgrade. One can certainly question what is admittedly a strange distribution/upgrade policy, but one can't question ICD's right to set that policy. And I don't think a BBS or file server could afford to engage in practices contrary to ICD's policy, in light of some of the serious piracy incidents that have recently come to light involving software written for the ST. So, "hot under the collar" perhaps, but please direct your "alot to say about nothing" comment elsewhere. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % Andy Cassino % % Hewlett-Packard - Lake Stevens Instrument Division % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) (08/09/90)
- I have ICDUTILS which I downloaded from Terminator to format my - hard drive. The problem is that I can't set my drive to auto-boot - because the HDUTIL.PRG asks for the master disk. Is there a way to - get it to auto-boot? Can someone e-mail me another (newer?) ICD - utility to allow my HD to auto-boot? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - (if legal) Just copy ICDBOOT.PRG to the root of Drive C: and rename it ICDBOOT.SYS.
jhenders@van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) (08/10/90)
Re: Inserting Master Disk. The reason the program asks for a master disk is that it is looking for the Icdboot.prg in the auto folder. I'll leave the solution as an exercize to the reader.;-) Also,for use on older Atari hard drives theres a progam around call- ed ICDFIX which fixes the Ghost drive problem. I think the reason ICD changed their policy on distribution was that as their software became so obviosly superior to all the competition,it was being used on every hard drive. I wish they allowed free distribution though,as they have it protected anyways and I hate paying to download it from GEnie. Besides, I hear it's available on pirate boards with the protection removed anyways.
hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) (08/10/90)
In article <1348@van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca> jhenders@van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) writes: > I think the reason ICD changed their policy on distribution was that as their >software became so obviosly superior to all the competition,it was being used >on every hard drive. I wish they allowed free distribution though,as they have >it protected anyways and I hate paying to download it from GEnie. Besides, I >hear it's available on pirate boards with the protection removed anyways. Well, I guess that's the way this economy works - when a company notices an increased demand for their product, they're free to take advantage and raise the cost of the supply accordingly. Just because a program appears on a pirate board is sufficient reason for a company to stop charging money for their product? Neat idea... -- -- Howard Chu @ University of Michigan one million data bits stored on a chip, one million bits per chip if one of those data bits happens to flip, one million data bits stored on the chip...
jhenders@van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) (08/11/90)
I reread my included article in your post,and still can't see how you inferred your conclusion from what I said. I'll try again however. My point was not that they should give the software away. I purchased the ICD host adapter and got the software with it. By ICD's policy I have to download updates from either their board or one of the pay services. AND I cannot( again by their policy ) give a copy to a friend with the host adapter. As the software only works with the host adapter purchased from ICD, I find this policy makes little sense and if protection from piracy is the point it obviously isn't working. Is this clearer. In no way do I support piracy and I think ICD's distribution policy on their updates is a little extreme. It is however far better than any other software I've seen for the HD and I'm very happy with the Hardware to.( non payed endorsment ) john henders
dcrevier@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Dan Crevier) (08/12/90)
I think they want to make sure people get clean copies of the host adaptor software. It would be pretty easy to stick some kind of virus in ICDBOOT.SYS that would be practically undetectable. Since you can only download the software from places where they upload it, you can be sure that you are getting a clean copy. If you get it from a friend, you can't be sure. I think that this policy does make sense, but it is hard on the user who has to use a pay system to get a new version. Dan