yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) (09/16/90)
Subject: What's up with STart? Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Distribution: usa dear netters, Locally I've noticed that the most recent issue of STart on the newstands is the August issue. I figure we should have seen at least the October issue by now. Is this the case elsewhere? How about you guys with subscriptions, are they running behind? If so does anyone know why? Jim "Laufet Brueder, Eure Bahn, Freudig wie ein Held zum Siegen!" - Friedrich v. Schiller
ron@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Ronald J. Rangel) (09/16/90)
Antic died and STart is now revamped to include what Antic had inside of it. The next issue of STart will be the Oct. issue. -Ron
goo@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Michael Goo) (09/18/90)
I saw the new issue (not the Aug issue) in the store a couple of days ago. I'm not sure if it was dated Oct or Sept, but it did say that it now includes Antic. As for subscibers, I'm one and I had to pull teeth to get my Aug issue and have not received the new issue yet. (grumble...grumble...)
pegram@uvm-gen.UUCP (Robert B. Pegram) (09/19/90)
From article <1990Sep16.021856.27654@ecn.purdue.edu>, by yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner): > Subject: What's up with STart? > dear netters, > Locally I've noticed that the most recent issue of STart on the > newstands is the August issue. I figure we should have seen at least > the October issue by now. Is this the case elsewhere? How about > you guys with subscriptions, are they running behind? If so > does anyone know why? > Jim Yes, I do know. I believe I read it in Znet (thanks Greg L.). STart is taking a month off to reorganize. The new version will incorporate Antic (8 bit stuff) and may in future send programs out on regular double sided disks - at least 720K. Hope this isn't the 50 millionth post on this subject, if so my apologies. Bob Pegram Internet: pegram@griffin.uvm.edu UUCP: uunet!uvm-gen!pegram
georgen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (G. Ng) (09/19/90)
In article <1657@uvm-gen.UUCP> pegram@uvm-gen.UUCP (Robert B. Pegram) writes: >Yes, I do know. I believe I read it in Znet (thanks Greg L.). STart >is taking a month off to reorganize. The new version will incorporate >Antic (8 bit stuff) and may in future send programs out on regular >double sided disks - at least 720K. >Hope this isn't the 50 millionth post on this subject, if so my apologies. That's funny...STart used be part of Antic magazine when it was first introduced (as an ST section). Now the 8-bit Ataris are a section in the ST magazine. My, how times change...(speaking of which, I recently got a 386sx machine. Hmm, what to do with a 1040....:-) -- George Ng (Univ. of Toronto, Comp Sci) |"Sure, I would like Canadian HOME: uunet!mnetor!{becker,hybrid}!spocom!gng | winters too - if it weren't WORK: georgen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca | for the weather..."
darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) (09/19/90)
>>Locally I've noticed that the most recent issue of STart on the >>newstands is the August issue. I figure we should have seen at least >>the October issue by now. Is this the case elsewhere? How about >>you guys with subscriptions, are they running behind? If so >>does anyone know why? > >I have a subscription to STart and it is also running late. A local Atari >store in my area has contacted STart as was told that they are combining >STart and Antic into a single magazine. This, and the process of taking over >the subscriptions of other defunct ST mags, has caused a delay in publishing >STart. I'm not sure when they will be back up to full speed. The October issue of STart arrived in Seattle area stores about a week ago. The September issue was cancelled so that they can have more time to do this new changeover. Antic is now merged in, and former readers of ANALOG and ST-LOG are now receiving START subscriptions. Frankly, the new STart looks much like the old one. I don't know why they skipped an issue considering how much advertizing revenue they gave up. - Darek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darek Mihocka All views expressed are my own. Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) (09/19/90)
In article <1990Sep18.212753.17924@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> georgen@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (G. Ng) writes: > My, how times change...(speaking of which, I recently got a >386sx machine. Hmm, what to do with a 1040....:-) > Well, I recently got a 386SX machine, and I find that I can use my 1040 the same way as I used to use it, and that for some programs which can accept input from a serial port (the Mark Williams debugger db comes to mind), a terminal emulator running on the 386SX machine is a useful tool. This isn't to say that the PC clone doesn't have other uses--just that the ST has all the utility it used to have. Steve J.
don@col.hp.com (Don Allison) (09/20/90)
Bill Shroka writes: > .... A local Atari >store in my area has contacted STart as was told that they are combining >STart and Antic into a single magazine. This, and the process of taking over >the subscriptions of other defunct ST mags, has caused a delay in publishing >STart. I'm not sure when they will be back up to full speed. I find this rather sad. When STart first began publication, it was to be a magazine for programmers and people developing new applications for the ST. One of it's stated goals was to be chock full of source code listings on the (almost mandatory) disk. It was to be a quarterly, and was NOT supposed to include beginners tips, simple BASIC programs, or the like...these were to be left to the other ST magazines, including the ST columns that were to remain in Antic. Reviews were only to be minimally included, and were to be more things like an article comparing all the available C compilers for the ST, etc. Based on it's stated goals and first issues, I subscribed enthusiastically. However, with the passing of time I've noticed it gradually turning into just another ST games review magazine. (In fact, even with all the noise, the ST notes groups lately have been carrying more technical info than a typical issue of STart!) In the quest for more circulation and larger revenues and a broader reader base, they have lowered themselve to the common denominator, and in my opinion, anyway, killed all that was good about the magazine originally (especially when they went monthly and had to start including fluff as filler to pad out the issue to make it look a reasonable size). With Antic now merging with it again, it looks like the end of it's usefulness is about to be completed. Sorry for the dreary diatribe, but I felt a eulogy was in order. Now for my question: Does anyone know of a magazine for the ST, published anywhere in the world (preferably in English, but other languages are okay) that still does what STart started out to do? ie, are there any ST magazines that still publish programming tips, source code, hardware mods and upgrades, and articles on novel applications for the ST? If so, could you please email me information on how to subscribe to that publication? If I get any useful answers, I will post a summary. Thanks! Don Allison don@col.hp.com
hardware@rose.uwaterloo.ca () (09/20/90)
In article <40250005@hpindda.cup.hp.com> goo@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Michael Goo) writes: > >I saw the new issue (not the Aug issue) in the store a couple of days ago. >I'm not sure if it was dated Oct or Sept, but it did say that it now includes >Antic. As for subscibers, I'm one and I had to pull teeth to get my Aug >issue and have not received the new issue yet. (grumble...grumble...) Ok since not everyone has heard there will be no Sept Issue of Start instead start and antic are merging to form a large new magazine for October to include 124 pages of interesting articles for both computers It is even planning on maybe covering the Lynx or Portfolio computers. Some say its a step backwards other say its a vast improvement. I beleive its a cost saving measure to keep 8-bit articles in the new magazine. It wants to be known as the all encompassing Atari Magazine. So if you have seen the October issue what was it like? Hardware Dave
mjv@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale) (09/20/90)
In article <16830002@col.hp.com> don@col.hp.com (Don Allison) writes: > Now for > my question: Does anyone know of a magazine for the ST, published anywhere > in the world (preferably in English, but other languages are okay) that still > does what STart started out to do? I posted this to the net because I thought other people might be interested. The magazine that I found has some nice technical articles is ST World from the UK (not the one from Oregon). It has a very nice programming column (Isn't it run by Mathew Lodge? and isn't he on the net?) and general reviews. The letters column is a joy since it keeps threads of letters going. If I remember correctly, ST World has gone quarterly so I guess its even more like STart wanted originally to be. You should be able to find it at most dealers and quite a few mail-order dealers carry it. Take care, Marshall --mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Graham Thomas) (09/25/90)
From article <50476@brunix.UUCP>, by mjv@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale): > The magazine that I found has some nice technical articles > is ST World from the UK (not the one from Oregon). It has a very nice > programming column (Isn't it run by Mathew Lodge? and isn't he on the net?) > and general reviews. The letters column is a joy since it keeps threads > of letters going. If I remember correctly, ST World has gone quarterly > so I guess its even more like STart wanted originally to be. ST World has indeed gone quarterly, but it's mostly full of reviews (including some large-scale comparative reviews called 'Supertests') and "buyers' guide" information (prices, current software versions, etc.) rather than technical articles. Mathew Lodge's "Programmer's Clinic" is now in the disk magazine distributed with ST World's sister magazine Atari ST User. (This is monthly, and is more games-oriented.) The Clinic doesn't seem to have as many contributions as it used to. I've not seen Mathew on the net for some time now; I think he lost his Userid at the University of York in the Summer. The original posting asked about magazines with technical content, even if they weren't in English. I've not seen the German magazine 'ST Computer' for over a year now, but it used to be full of heavy-duty programming articles. Maybe a German contributor could give us an update and the addresses of the better magazines there? Graham -- Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, U of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK JANET: grahamt@uk.ac.sussex.syma BITNET: grahamt%syma.sussex.ac.uk@UKACRL INTERNET: grahamt%syma.sussex.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk UUCP: grahamt%syma.sussex@ukc.uucp PHONE: +44 273 686758 FAX: [..] 685865