darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) (10/17/90)
I'm not sure if a message I posted a few days ago made it anywhere because it was about 10K in size, so instead of reposting it, I will email it to anyone who is interested. Anyone interested in finding out more about the Quick ST II Challenge should reply to this email and it will be emailed to you right away. In a nutshell, the Quick ST II Challenge is this: we are so sure that you will like the new Quick ST 2.2, that we have released a FREE demo of it. The demo is already available for download on Compuserve and GEnie, and runs on the 68000, 68030, color, mono, Moniterm, etc, and is faster than even recent commercial releases of Quick ST or Turbo ST. (The real Quick ST 2.2 is even faster though). If you can't download the demo, we are offering to send you a disk containing the demo, ABSOLUTELY FREE. All we need is your mailing address. So reply to this email and I'll email you the complete details of the Quick ST II Challenge. And yes, you even get to keep the disk. - Darek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darek Mihocka (206)-885-5893 All views expressed are my own. Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
jeroen@plato.phil.ruu.nl (Jeroen Scheerder) (10/17/90)
In article <58268@microsoft.UUCP>, darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) writes:ash message I posted a few days ago made it anywhere because |>it was about 10K in size, so instead of reposting it, I will email it to |>anyone who is interested. |> |>Anyone interested in finding out more about the Quick ST II Challenge should |>reply to this email and it will be emailed to you right away. Oh Darek, if only you had put in a *VALID* email adress... my mailers do not support uucp adressing. Anyone knows a real email adress? B.t.w., if you're going to mail anyone asking to anyway why not include the Quick ST II Challenge in it? Saves us downloading or you sending floppies.
cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) (10/17/90)
In article <58268@microsoft.UUCP> darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) writes: >I'm not sure if a message I posted a few days ago made it anywhere because >it was about 10K in size, so instead of reposting it, I will email it to >anyone who is interested. > >Anyone interested in finding out more about the Quick ST II Challenge should >reply to this email and it will be emailed to you right away. > >In a nutshell, the Quick ST II Challenge is this: we are so sure that you will >like the new Quick ST 2.2, that we have released a FREE demo of it. The demo >is already available for download on Compuserve and GEnie, and runs on the >68000, 68030, color, mono, Moniterm, etc, and is faster than even recent >commercial releases of Quick ST or Turbo ST. (The real Quick ST 2.2 is even >faster though). If you can't download the demo, we are offering to send you >a disk containing the demo, ABSOLUTELY FREE. All we need is your mailing >address. So reply to this email and I'll email you the complete details of >the Quick ST II Challenge. And yes, you even get to keep the disk. Well, after seeing you chastise some other poor soul for "wanting something for nothing," I think it is only fair to say that you are guilty of the same. By using a free medium (Usenet), to advertise your commercial product you are taking advantage of all those sites out there who pay for the net to operate. How about giving them a royalty from future sales to cover their blood, sweat and tears in keeping Usenet alive? :-) Hehe, if the above sounds ridiculous to you (and I suspect it does), I suggest you go back and re-read your post that I'm referring to for a REAL laugh. >- Darek Cheers, Chris ------------------------------+--------------------------- Chris Mauritz |D{r det finns en |l, finns cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |det en plan! (c)All rights reserved. | Send flames to /dev/null | ------------------------------+---------------------------
darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) (10/18/90)
In article <58268@microsoft.UUCP> darekm@microsoft.UUCP (me!) writes: >I'm not sure if a message I posted a few days ago made it anywhere because >it was about 10K in size, so instead of reposting it, I will email it to >anyone who is interested. I've been told that simply replying to that email did not always work. I have been asked to post an email path. So if you are interested in having me email you a copy of the Quick ST II Challenge (a 10K text file) then please send your request by email to uunet!microsoft!darekm - Darek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darek Mihocka uunet!microsoft!darekm All views expressed are my own. Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
mccann@rbdc (Mike McCann) (10/18/90)
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darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) (10/20/90)
In article cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >... By using a free medium (Usenet), to advertise your commercial product >you are taking advantage of all those sites out there who pay for the >net to operate. How about giving them a royalty from future sales to >cover their blood, sweat and tears in keeping Usenet alive? :-) >Hehe, if the above sounds ridiculous to you (and I suspect it does), I >suggest you go back and re-read your post that I'm referring to for a >REAL laugh. > >>- Darek > >Cheers, > >Chris >------------------------------+--------------------------- >Chris Mauritz |D{r det finns en |l, finns >cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |det en plan! >(c)All rights reserved. | >Send flames to /dev/null | >------------------------------+--------------------------- My dear pathetic Mr. Mauritz. You obviously cannot read English. My original 10K message containing the Quick ST II Challenge was never sent. I thought I did, but I guess I didn't. Instead, I posted a much shorter message saying that anyone who wants to find out more can reply to the message. That way I save a lot of bandwidth by not posting it here. I also am not emailing out copies of the demo because it is about 150K in size and that too would waste a lot of bandwidth. So even though in the last few days I have received dozens of email requests to email the demo, I am instead offering to send a disk, AT MY EXPENSE, to anyone who wants it. I have posted the exact same offer on Compuserve and GEnie. So I have "wasted" less bandwidth than you, who decided to repost my entire my entire message, plus your pathetic little mindless comments. Just because this is a free network does not mean we are limited to discussing only public domain software. What I posted was an announcement, similar to the announcements you will find from other commercial software vendors on bulletin boards, or bundled in an issue of ST Report or ZNET. You obviously cannot be reasoned with since your signature directs me to send flames to /dev/null, so if you have some problems with this go to hell. I know it is a new concept for you to grasp: someone giving away free demos on a disk without charging for it and no strings attached. Considering how many people responded to my posting, and how many of them used words like "ok, I'll bite" it proves my original statement that most people on the net are to cheap to consider buying commercial software, and it is only by offering it to them on a silver plate that they respond. I accept that as a fact of life in the Atari world, and offering a free demo is my way of satisfying both me and the users. I could weasel out and start crying that the ST software market is dead and hopeless, but it is not. Quick ST II is one of the best selling pieces of software for the Atari ST, ever. That is why I can afford to sell it for $20 and still make a healty profit. So please stop trying to kill the commercial software market. Please? If you have anything further to say, please do so in private email and stop wasting bandwidth. - Darek ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Darek Mihocka All views expressed are my own. If you don't like them, die. Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
jfbruno@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John Bruno) (10/20/90)
In article <58392@microsoft.UUCP> darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) writes: >In article cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >>... By using a free medium (Usenet), to advertise your commercial product >>you are taking advantage of all those sites out there who pay for the >>net to operate. How about giving them a royalty from future sales to >>cover their blood, sweat and tears in keeping Usenet alive? :-) >>Hehe, if the above sounds ridiculous to you (and I suspect it does), I >>suggest you go back and re-read your post that I'm referring to for a >>REAL laugh. >> >>>- Darek >> >>Cheers, >> >>Chris >>------------------------------+--------------------------- >>Chris Mauritz |D{r det finns en |l, finns >>cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |det en plan! >>(c)All rights reserved. | >>Send flames to /dev/null | >>------------------------------+--------------------------- > >My dear pathetic Mr. Mauritz. You obviously cannot read English. My original >10K message containing the Quick ST II Challenge was never sent. I thought I >did, but I guess I didn't. Instead, I posted a much shorter message saying >that anyone who wants to find out more can reply to the message. Look, guy, no matter how you slice it, you still are using Usenet for free advertising for your product. >That way I >save a lot of bandwidth by not posting it here. I also am not emailing out >copies of the demo because it is about 150K in size and that too would waste >a lot of bandwidth. Oh gosh, I'm impressed. Why don't you PAY for your advertising, instead of using Usenet? You know, like other software publishers do? >So even though in the last few days I have received >dozens of email requests to email the demo, I am instead offering to send a >disk, AT MY EXPENSE, to anyone who wants it. I have posted the exact same offer >on Compuserve and GEnie. So I have "wasted" less bandwidth than you, who >decided to repost my entire my entire message, plus your pathetic little >mindless comments. If I were you, I'd stop posting altogether. I'm sure your ravings are turning off potential customers. I know that if I needed a product like yours, which I don't, I would DEFINITELY buy Turbo-St, I couldn't stomach giving YOU any money. (I can see you there, gritting your teeth, saying "There goes someone else, too cheap to spend money, blablabla...) >Just because this is a free network does not mean we are >limited to discussing only public domain software. That's right. It doesn't mean that you can post product promotions on Usenet either, now, does it? I can't stand it when people post promotions and ads and call them "discussions" or "announcements". > What I posted was an >announcement, similar to the announcements you will find from other commercial >software vendors on bulletin boards, or bundled in an issue of ST Report or >ZNET. No, it was a PRODUCT PROMOTION and, as such, was an inappropriate use of resources. >You obviously cannot be reasoned with since your signature directs me >to send flames to /dev/null, so if you have some problems with this go to hell. How about YOUR signature, guy, and I quote: "All views expressed are my own. If you don't like them, die." What a hypocrite! >I know it is a new concept for you to grasp: someone giving away free demos on >a disk without charging for it and no strings attached. Considering how many >people responded to my posting, and how many of them used words like "ok, >I'll bite" it proves my original statement that most people on the net are >to cheap to consider buying commercial software, and it is only by offering >it to them on a silver plate that they respond. Hasn't it ever occured to you that nobody WANTS your product? Probably not. I'm sure your product is useful to some, but surely you don't believe that everybody needs it, but is just too cheap to buy it, do you? > I accept that as a fact of >life in the Atari world, and offering a free demo is my way of satisfying >both me and the users. I could weasel out and start crying that the ST >software market is dead and hopeless, but it is not. Quick ST II is one of >the best selling pieces of software for the Atari ST, ever. That is why I >can afford to sell it for $20 and still make a healty profit. Oh, really? What the hell are you whining about then?? > So please stop trying to kill the commercial software market. Please? More mindless paranoid ravings. > If you have anything >further to say, please do so in private email and stop wasting bandwidth. > >- Darek > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Darek Mihocka All views expressed are my own. If you don't like them, die. > Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---jb
gt1448b@prism.gatech.EDU (David P. Forrai) (10/21/90)
In article <58392@microsoft.UUCP> darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) writes: > ... Considering how many >people responded to my posting, and how many of them used words like "ok, >I'll bite" it proves my original statement that most people on the net are >to cheap to consider buying commercial software, and it is only by offering >it to them on a silver plate that they respond. NO! The only thing this proves is that many people tried your earlier shareware versions of QuickST and couldn't stand all the extra bugs it added to an already buggy TOS! No one wants to PAY for software that that is incompatable with any of the other software they commonly use, even if its only ONE program. > ... Quick ST II is one of >the best selling pieces of software for the Atari ST, ever. That is why I >can afford to sell it for $20 and still make a healty profit. So despite your obvious hatred of us CHEAP SH*TS who read and post to the net, you are still willing to boast about how Atari ST users are lining your wallet (in addition to what ever Microsoft pays you). > If you have anything >further to say, please do so in private email and stop wasting bandwidth. Yeah, it's OK for you to post large flames towards others, but not for others to post flames towards you. > >- Darek > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Darek Mihocka All views expressed are my own. If you don't like them, die. > Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think I'll have to look into Turbo ST! -- David P. Forrai uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1448b Internet: gt1448b@prism.gatech.edu
csual@warwick.ac.uk (Jas) (10/22/90)
Don't you think this is getting just a bit out of hand? I for one use Usenet as a major source of information on new products and what is going on in the ST world, and if people want to let me know about their new product it's fine by me. And if they want to let me try it out before spending $20 and finding it's not what I want, that's even better. Jas.
darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) (10/23/90)
>Oh Darek, if only you had put in a *VALID* email adress... my mailers do not >support uucp adressing. Anyone knows a real email adress? >B.t.w., if you're going to mail anyone asking to anyway why not include the >Quick ST II Challenge in it? Saves us downloading or you sending floppies. Okay! Okay! Get ready for a drop in bandwidth... For the benefit of those people who have been unable to send email to me, or people that I have not been able to email The Challenge to in return, here is a shortened 9K version of the Quick ST II Challenge. If you wish to receive the Quick ST 2.2 Demo, please fill out the Information Sheet at the end of this file and either email it back or mail it by snail mail to the address below. - Darek (uunet!microsoft!darekm) Take the Quick ST II (version 2.2) Challenge - ABSOLUTELY FREE!!! ================================================================= Branch Always Software 14150 NE 20th Street, Unit 302 Belleveue, WA 98007 U.S.A. Phone: (206)-885-5893 (6pm to 12am Pacific Time, Monday to Friday) Orders: (206)-643-9697 (10am to 6pm Pacific Time, Monday to Friday) Compuserve: 73657,2714 GEnie: DAREKM uucp: uunet!microsoft!darekm Quick ST II version 2.2 is $19.95 U.S. or less at most Atari dealers. We are so confident about the power of our Quick ST II software accelerator, that we are offering all Atari ST users the opportunity to test out the latest version of Quick ST II ABSOLUTELY FREE. See for yourself just how much faster your Atari ST, Mega ST, or Atari STE runs with our product. We just introduced Quick ST 2.2 at the recent Atari shows in Glendale and Washington, and the response was great! But you don't have to be one of the lucky few people who attends an Atari show to see the power of Quick ST 2.2 for yourself. A brand new demo is now available. You may have seen earlier versions of Quick ST in the form of demos (such as the demo on the May 1990 START disk, or the Quick ST 2.0 demo on various bulletin boards), or older shareware versions of Quick ST. These old demos and versions are fine, except that they do not show off the very latest speed and features of Quick ST II. New features such as: 68030 support, Moniterm and ISAC support, blitter support, fast GDOS font support, etc. We have prepared a brand new demo, a demo of Quick ST 2.2, which is so fast and powerful, that it leaves all other demos in the dust, even those full speed Turbo ST demos. The Quick ST 2.2 demo runs on any ST, whether it is a 520ST, or a brand new Atari STE, a Mega ST, and even the TT! It doesn't matter whether you have a monochrome monitor, a color monitor, a Moniterm monitor, or have installed the Overscan modification. Even if you are a Turbo ST user, the improved compatibility and lower memory requirements of Quick ST 2.2 will make you throw Turbo ST away! Features -------- What can Quick ST II do for you? Quick ST II is a software accelerator. When used on any Atari ST it speeds up the text and graphics operations on the screen. Almost any text or GEM based program runs faster as a result, making your ST perform like a much faster machine. No hardware modifications are required! Quick ST II also has the added ability to install custom background patterns and pictures on your desktop. Quick ST II is very memory efficient, using 16K - 28K of memory (depending on the configuration). An extra 32K of memory is required for the optional installation of desktop background pictures. Quick ST II is fully compatible with hardware accelerators such as the T16 and AdSpeed ST accelerators. When used with a hardware accelerator, Quick ST II provides a speed increase on top of the speed increase of the hardware accelerator. if you are lucky enough to own one, try it out! Take the challenge! ------------------- There are three ways to obtain the Quick ST II version 2.2 demo: 1 - if you have a modem and access to a bulletin board or online information service such as GEnie or Compuserve, download the demo from the Atari ST library. On GEnie, type M 476 to get to the library. On Compuserve, type GO ATARIARTS. Download the file QST22D.ARC or QST22D.LZH, decompress it and read the file QST22DEM.DOC for installation instructions. The demo should appear on most services and bulletin boards shortly after October 13, 1990. If you can't find it, ask the sysop for help. 2 - if you belong to an Atari user group, ask your club librarian for a copy of the Quick ST 2.2 demo. Some clubs may charge a nominal fee. 3 - if you don't have a modem, or don't wish to spend money on long distance bills or online fees, you can order the Quick ST 2.2 Demo Disk directly from Branch Always Software. Print out and fill out the information sheet below (or write the information down on paper). Reviews ------- Still not convinced? Quick ST and Quick ST II have been reviewed in almost every Atari ST magazine in Canada, the U.S., England, and Germany. Read the reviews in the latest ST Magazin, the June 1990 issues of Current Notes and ST Informer, an upcoming issue of START, the April 1990 issues of PSAN and Phoenix, and the February 1990 issue of Atari Interface Magazine. How to order Quick ST II version 2.2: ------------------------------------- Quick ST 2.2 can be ordered directly by credit card (VISA, Master Card, and Discover) through Xanth Corporation. Various shipping methods are available, including UPS, DHL, Express Mail, and First Class Mail. Call the order line between 10am and 6pm, Monday to Friday. Most orders received before noon will be shipped out the same day. Shipping charges will depend on the shipping method chosen and the country being shipped to. If ordering by mail, send a check or money order for $19.95 + shipping ($3 in Canada and the U.S., $5 elsewhere) in U.S. funds and allow 3-4 weeks for delivery. Make all checks payable to Branch Always Software. No C.O.D's. Ask about our Atari user group discounts and dealer prices. A German language version of Quick ST 2.2 is now available in Germany from: Schutz & Wahl GbR Postfach 1651 D-6070 Langen Germany Please phone or write for a list of Quick ST II dealers in other countries. How to upgrade to Quick ST 2.2: ------------------------------- To upgrade to Quick ST 2.2 from an earlier version we MUST already have your registration card. Take your original Quick ST or Quick ST II disk, include the appropriate update fee, and mail it to Branch Always Software. Please note the new upgrade prices: $3 - If you purchased Quick ST 2.1 after August 31, 1990. If you did not purchase it directly from us, include a copy of the receipt showing the date and dealer name it was purchased from. $5 - If you are upgrading from Quick ST version 2.0 or 2.1 and live in Canada or the United States. $10 - If you do not live in Canada or the U.S., if you are upgrading from Quick ST version 1.8 or earlier, if you lost the original Quick ST disk, or if it is inconvenient to send the original disk. Starting in November, all registered users of Quick ST II and Quick Tools will receive a periodic newsletter which gives information about updates (such as Quick ST III), tips for using the software, answers to commonly asked questions, and other information. To receive the newsletter, you MUST fill out and send in the registration card that came with your Quick ST II or Quick Tools software. Sorry, if we do not have your registration card, we don't know about you and you cannot upgrade and you will not receive the newsletter. So dig up those Quick ST packages and mail in the registration cards folks! NOTE: $5 off discount coupons which appeared this summer in various ST magazines we valid for purchasing Quick ST 2.1 only, and cannot be used to purchase Quick ST 2.2. This challenge may be reprinted in newsletters. Do not change it! THE QUICK ST II CHALLENGE - USER INFORMATION SHEET When ordering the free Quick ST 2.2 Demo Disk by mail, please fill out all of the information below and mail it to: Branch Always Software - Demo Disk 14150 NE 20th Street, Unit 302 Belleveue, WA 98007 U.S.A. If your answer to a question is not one of the listed choices, or you wish to add additional comments, please enclose them on a separate piece of paper. Your information will be used for determining features in future Quick ST updates as well as for mailings. Your Name: _______________________________________________________________ Your address: ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Your phone number(s): ____________________________________________________ What is your main ST computer? ()520/1040 ()Mega ()STE ()TT ()Other How much memory does it have? ()512K ()1M ()2M ()4M ()Other Which monitors do you have? ()color ()monochrome ()Moniterm ()ISAC What versions of TOS do you use? ()1.0 ()1.2 ()1.4 ()1.6 () TT TOS Do you have a modem? ()No ()300 baud ()1200 baud ()2400 baud ()Other Which online services do you use? ()Compuserve ()GEnie ()Delphi ()BIX Do you have a printer? ()No ()Dot matrix ()Laser ()Ink Jet ()Other Do you have a hard disk? ()No ()Atari ()Supra ()ICD ()Other Do you have an accelerator board? ()T16 ()AdSpeed ST ()68030 ()Other Which magazines do you read? ()START ()ST Informer ()ST Magazin ()Other Do you wish to be placed on our newsletter mailing list? ()Yes ()No
techno@lime.in-berlin.de (Frank Dahnke) (10/23/90)
gt1448b@prism.gatech.EDU (David P. Forrai) writes: >>- Darek >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Darek Mihocka All views expressed are my own. If you don't like them, die. >> Branch Always Software, 14150 NE 20th St. Suite 302, Bellevue, WA 98007 >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >I think I'll have to look into Turbo ST! By all means, do so. I prefer it to the ever-buggy Quick ST any day. Techno -- | techno@zelator.UUCP ||| Please do not e-mail from outside Germany ! | | techno@lime.UUCP / | \ Hardcore ST user ! ====================== | | Nothing that's real is ever for free, you just have to pay for it some- | | time. (Al Stewart) |
rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) (10/24/90)
Will you all please can the flames? Or at least confine them to email or alt.flame, where they belong. We're used to ignoring "Hardware Dave" when he gets obviously commercial, and we're all smart enough to see through and ignore the other "commercial" postings on here. We don't need your help. So just back off, okay? Or take it email. Don't waste my disk space with your pompous, self-appointed net.police garbage. Whew! That feels better! Ray rrd@hpfitst1.hp.com
ljdickey@water.waterloo.edu (L.J.Dickey) (10/24/90)
I hate reading messages that say "what you said" and "what I said", and "that is not true", and "read what I wrote". There is a wonderful command on my news program. It is the K command. It just deposited the line /: *Quick ST II Challenge!/:j in my KILL file. Obligatory message about Atari ST: I like my Atari ST. I also appreciate some of the excellent software that makes it worth while. Appreciation goes to Software Author Uniterm Simon Poole APL.68000 Philip van Cleve J Roger Hui Interesting: It occurs to me that my current software favorites were all mainly one person projects. Lee Dickey
david@bdt.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) (10/25/90)
[ I'm not including text from any of the articles on this thread to
keep this message short. Refer to the referenced articles if you
haven't followed this discussion. ]
I just want to say that flaming on both sides of this "Advertising
on the net", "Atari users are cheap", and "wasting bandwidth" debate
is getting out of hand.
Often it seems that the people that complain the most about incorrect
use of the net are the very people that are getting the net for free,
and have nothing to do with paying the usenet bills.
I am the site admin for our site on the net. The net isn't "free" to
me by a long shot; I write the checks each month. Yet I still
appreciate how much is done free-of-charge by all the upstream sites
that forward mail and news for me. I know how much the total cost
of each message must be by the time it's sent everywhere. But I still
feel that small "commercial announcements" are no big deal. Anything
done in a reasonable way (short and sweet), seems perfectly OK to me.
Of course, this attitude will offend many net "purists", but I still
argue that these aren't the people paying the bills. I certainly
should have more say about what constitutes abuse of the net than
an average reader, becasue I at least have to pay to run my site and
I pay for all its network connections.
Also, don't forget that the ST market is small. There's only so
many developers and only so many products. I know that if somebody
comes out with a new product, I like to see an announcement on the
net. I am more likely to see it and read it, than if it appears
in an ST magazine. Many small companies can't afford to advertise
large enough and often enough for me to catch their ad, so a small
net posting might be the only place I see mention of the product,
especially since the ST magazines are so awful about getting
press releases out.
On the other hand, I think Darek needs to mellow out a bit. Those
of you that saw my postings from a few years back, may have noticed
quite a change in tone and content (I hope for better). I know at
one time I was in a lot of KILL files :-)
Anyway, in summary, I think a few of you are jumping on Darek a little
hard, and I also think that Darek has been a little hot-headed too.
Both sides may have valid arguments, but they're getting lost in
the shouting.
--
David Beckemeyer (david@bdt.UUCP) | "I'll forgive you Dad... If you have
Beckemeyer Development Tools | a breath mint."
P.O. Box 21575, Oakland, CA 94620 | Bart - "The Simpsons"
UUCP: {uunet,ucbvax}!unisoft!bdt!david |jhenders@van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) (10/25/90)
Re: Quick St Challenge. Over the last year we have seen the Dc Desktop Demo posted to the net, and plugged by it's author, also we've seen David Beckermeyer recommending his own packages to users. And we've seen no complaints about bandwidth wasting or the death of the net as we know it. I rather suspect that if Darek hadn't got his foot firmly lodged in his mouth recently concerning a reqi`uest for a program which happened to do one of the things Quick ST does, we wouldn't be seeing any complaints now either. I for one like to see developers discussing their products on the net, as it is a welcome releif from B.S. stock analysis's and inaccurate reveiws of Mac Classic pricing. The same goes for Darek's recommendation of Excel. If anyone else had recommended it, we wouldn't have heard a peep out of anyone. Maybe Darek could draw a lesson from this on posting style, as as his main antagonist obviously can't learn anything from anybody. John Henders
AlexK@tharr.UUCP (Alex Kiernan) (11/02/90)
In article <5948@bdt.UUCP> david@bdt.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) writes: >... >of each message must be by the time it's sent everywhere. But I still >feel that small "commercial announcements" are no big deal. Anything >done in a reasonable way (short and sweet), seems perfectly OK to me. >... I think this one of the most sensible posts I have seen in a long time, I work for HiSoft and often find myself in a position where I would like to reccomend some product we have an association with, but fell I can't even though any commercial success has absolutely no effect on me whatsoever, I get the paid the same either way. > >On the other hand, I think Darek needs to mellow out a bit. Those >of you that saw my postings from a few years back, may have noticed >quite a change in tone and content (I hope for better). I know at >one time I was in a lot of KILL files :-) Having met Darek once, he strikes me as a nice guy, who has been bitten by shareware. I realised before I got caught up in it and sold my stuff off to publishers and then ended up working for one. But in the end it is the small time hackers/enthusiasts (no offence intended to anyone) who help to keep the ST market alive, so please people don't try to turn them into martyrs. Alex K. (All views/opinions are, of course, my own)