roland@tuvie.UUCP (Inst.f.Allg.Elektrotechnik) (12/09/90)
leo@mat500.uucp (C. Bullerdick) writes: > ramsiri@blake.u.washington.edu (Enartloc Nhoj) writes: > > > I always remind myself, with all my "gripin' " , that my ST > > can still do what it always has done. TEMPUS is still great. > > O-Yeah, and the applications on the ST are even getting 'greater'. > Have you ever seen TurboC, Edison, PKS-Edit, Rufus, Scigraph or Gemini? > Take a look, they are superb! > > > -kevin > > C. "Leo" B. This is becoming the favourite list :-) and I add: ST Pascal, Easyrider, Signum, Arabesque, Technobox Drafter, TeX by Stefan Lindner, ShowDVI by Robert Stabl, Metafont by Lutz Birkhan, Uniterm by Simon Poole, 220-ST, Harlekin, Fontkit... Roland Schreier.
don@col.hp.com (Don Allison) (12/12/90)
/ col:comp.sys.atari.st / roland@tuvie.UUCP (Inst.f.Allg.Elektrotechnik) / 11:06 am Dec 8, 1990 / >roland@tuvie.uucp (Roland Schreier) writes: > > leo@mat500.uucp (C. Bullerdick) writes: > > O-Yeah, and the applications on the ST are even getting 'greater'. > > Have you ever seen TurboC, Edison, PKS-Edit, Rufus, Scigraph or Gemini? > > Take a look, they are superb! > > > > C. "Leo" B. > >This is becoming the favourite list :-) and I add: > >ST Pascal, Easyrider, Signum, Arabesque, Technobox Drafter, >TeX by Stefan Lindner, ShowDVI by Robert Stabl, Metafont by Lutz Birkhan, >Uniterm by Simon Poole, 220-ST, Harlekin, Fontkit... > >Roland Schreier. I think this is a neat idea, and could be one of the more constructive uses of this group, especially with the death of local dealers (at least for us USA folks). What I was wondering, though, was if you could post a short description of what the program does and why you think it is so useful, (along with any ordering information you might have), instead of just listing titles. Some of the programs listed above I've heard of and agree that they are quite useful, while others I've never heard of before. Since it looks like I'm going to be buying my ST stuff by mail order from now on, this information would be invaluable to me (and I suspect, quite a few other people). So what do the rest of you think? Would this kind of information be useful? Is posting it an appropriate use of this group? Don Allison don@col.hp.com
gcarter@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter) (12/13/90)
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heavy@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Richard Scott Hall) (12/13/90)
In article <16830009@col.hp.com> don@col.hp.com (Don Allison) writes: > >So what do the rest of you think? Would this kind of information be useful? >Is posting it an appropriate use of this group? > >Don Allison >don@col.hp.com I agree, I am always interested in what other good programs are out there, and like Don said, I haven't0Q even heard of some of the ones mentioned... Richard Hall University of Michigan
roland@tuvie.UUCP (Inst.f.Allg.Elektrotechnik) (12/17/90)
don@col.hp.com (Don Allison) writes about the favourite list: > I think this is a neat idea, and could be one of the more constructive > uses of this group, especially with the death of local dealers (at > least for us USA folks). What I was wondering, though, was if you > could post a short description of what the program does and why you > think it is so useful, (along with any ordering information you might > have), instead of just listing titles. Some of the programs listed > above I've heard of and agree that they are quite useful, while others > I've never heard of before. Since it looks like I'm going to be buying > my ST stuff by mail order from now on, this information would be > invaluable to me (and I suspect, quite a few other people). heavy@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Richard Scott Hall) writes: > I agree, I am always interested in what other good programs are out > there, and like Don said, I haven't0Q even heard of some of the ones > mentioned... So this is my personal annotated software list for the Atari ST. I use an old 1040ST from 1986 upgraded to TOS 1.4 and 16MHz (Hypercache by proVME) and 4MByte. I don't have the time to review the programs (there are four german magazines doing this for the Atari ST/TT) but if everyone just tells what he is using regularly, we all might learn something. I have a SM124 monochrome monitor and don't know wether these programs run on color monitors. Signum and Harlekin work only with 640 x 400. 220-ST claims to run on color monitors. Most addresses are German, D-____ is the German mail code. DM is Deutsche Mark, 1 US$ is about DM 1.50, but changing daily. Name Program Address Comments Version Price ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ST Pascal Pascal Compiler CCD Very good standard 2.07 DM 249.- Burgstrasse 9 Pascal compiler, D-6228 Eltville most reliable, my #1 TurboC C Compiler Borland Very good ANSI C 1.1 Lindwurmstrasse 88 compiler, excellent D-8000 Muenchen integrated developement system Easyrider Assembler + Andreas Borchard Very fast, allows 3.0 Disassembler + Wiesenbachstrasse 2a reassembly of any Reassembler D-4500 Osnabrueck compiled program I DM 218.- have tried, great for bug fixes Tempus Program Editor CCD The fastest editor 2.10 DM 129.- Burgstrasse 9 and a very good one D-6228 Eltville too Edison Program Editor Hans Christian Kniss I like it even more 1.0 DM 169.- Adalbertstrasse 44 than Tempus. Not as D-5100 Aachen fast but excellent user interface. Signum Wordprocessing Application Systems I use TeX now, but 2.0 DM 448.- Englerstrasse 3 if you like WYSIWYG D-6900 Heidelberg Signum is very good, excellent output, but only one document at a time, really comprehensive font library Arabesque Graphics Shift Object/vector and 1.0 DM 278.- Unterer Lautrupweg 8 pixel/bit graphics, D-2390 Flensburg convert from GEM to IMG, edit a 300dpi laser page Technobox CAD Drawings Technobox Software Technical Drawings, Drafter Kornharpener Str 122a layers, dimensions, 1.14 D-4630 Bochum 1 printer and plotter output, powerful and expensive 220-ST Terminal MichTron, Inc. very good and 1.01 576 South Telegraph reliable VT220 (C)1987 Pontiac terminal, some are there Michigan 48053 minor bugs new versions? U.S.A. (corrected with Easyrider) Uniterm Terminal Simon Poole most used terminal, 2.0e 011 Free more features than 220-ST but not always as reliable, some Kermit problems Harlekin Accessory Maxon Memory hungry swiss 1.0 DM 129.- Industriestrasse 23 army knife: Editor, D-6236 Eschborn personal planner, printer driver and some bugs spooler, terminal, but no new version ASCII table, still very useful calculator, memory but only if you can file and disk spend 512 KByte for it monitor, macros, file utilities, RAM disk, clock, alarm, control panel and printer and RS232 Fontkit Font Editor The ST Club Complete font Plus 3 19.95 9 Sutton Place editor and Pound 49 Stoney Street converter, solves Sterling Nottingham NG1 1LX the G+PLUS problem UK with Gemini fonts Gemini Desktop (Venus) Stefan Eissing I switched from 1.2 Dorfbauerschaft 7 Neodesk to Gemini D-4419 Laer-Holthausen Nice look and good Shell (Mupfel) Gereon Steffens feel Elsterweg 8 DM 50.- Share D-5000 Kln 90 TeX D.E.Knuth Stefan Lindner TeX 2.9 written in 2.93/1.41 DM 60.- Share Iltisstrasse 3 Turbo C (hand D-8510 Fuerth translation from Knuths Pascal source) no problems Metafont D.E.Knuth Lutz Birkhan Excellent Turbo C 1.5/1.2 DM 50.- Share Fuerther Strasse 6 implementation with D-8501 Cadolzburg 2 graphics window (hand translation from Knuths Pascal source) no problems ShowDVI DVI Preview Robert Stabl To my knowledge the 1.0 Free Hollaenderstrasse 45 best preview for D-8390 Passau the ST, works on large monitors ! I have not included utility programs, (ARCGSH, Cheetah, DIRSORT, FCOPY3, G+PLUS, GUCK, MonST, MultiDesk, Sagrotan, SYS_MON, XBOOT...), this list would then never be finished... There are newer versions available, for instance ST Pascal 2.08, TurboC 2.0, ... one can only try to keep up with everything. Disclaimer: This is just what I use and have found useful for my personal needs. I am in no way the owner of one or all of the above companies... :-) Roland Schreier _ Technical University Gusshausstrasse 27-29 |_) _ | _ _ _| of Vienna in Austria A-1040 Wien | \ (_) | (_| | | (_| +43 (1) 58801 3838 Oesterreich - Europe schreier@eaecl1.una.ac.at Power is Force times Velocity. Computer Power is Space times Speed. 640 KByte x 33 MHz = 21120 but 4096 KByte x 8 MHz = 32768.