michael@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) (01/02/91)
Hello,
Does anyone have a list of atari ftp sites and specifacly one were I kan get
the latest update of uniterm?
If you do please mail me this information.
Mij email adress is
michael@stack.urc.tue.nl
thanks.
Michael Brouwer
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|_____________________________________________________________________________|psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) (01/03/91)
In article <123@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl>, michael@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) writes: > Hello, > > Does anyone have a list of atari ftp sites and specifacly one were I kan get > the latest update of uniterm? > > If you do please mail me this information. > What? Uniterm was upgraded? And nobody told me...well call the President, better yet, just tell us where we can get version 2.0f and I will be happy. I think most of us use Uniterm, so anyone who knows were an upgrade is should post it to the net, so we can all get the new version. Troy Carpenter Department of Computer Sciences THE University of Texas, Austin psurge@cs.utexas.edu "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
fortinp@bwdls56.bnr.ca (Pierre Fortin) (01/03/91)
In article <16430@cs.utexas.edu>, psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) writes: > In article <123@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl>, michael@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Michael Brouwer) writes: > > > > Does anyone have a list of atari ftp sites and specifacly one were I kan get > > the latest update of uniterm? [stuff deleted] > > What? Uniterm was upgraded? And nobody told me...well call the President, > better yet, just tell us where we can get version 2.0f and I will be happy. > [stuff deleted] > post it to the net, so we can all get the new version. > Don't expect any more updates to UniTerm beyond the last 2.0e 014(?) version. I ran into Simon Poole at a meeting in CA last summer, and he definitely left me with the impression that he's had enough of working on it. I don't recall if he still has an ST... In my case, I have moved to STalker by Eric Rosenquist who lives right here in the Ottawa area. I am extremely satisfied with his product which I highly recommend. If you obtain a copy, be sure to send in your registration as Eric provides excellent support; heck, he even added the capability to use the contents of a FunctionKey as part of the dial string for me. I need to send (currently) up to 39 characters to my modem for some dialing sequences; so I asked Eric what he could do... The current version (2.06) has this feature. In fact, Eric went the extra mile on this one and allowed multiple F-key strings to be used (will not allow a circular reference though). That kind of support has sold me on his products. Anyway, we started on UniTerm which was provided to the ST community by Simon completely free/gratis/no-charge; he also supported his excellent product very well. However, I strongly believe he has moved on to other things. Simon: I suspect you are no longer reading this newsgroup, but if you are... How are you? Can you let us in on what you're up to these days? Even if it's only fishing... :^) UniTerm and now STalker/STeno: Two of the best, and best supported products for the Atari ST line. My only relationship with Simon and Eric is as a very satisfied user of both products. Cheers, Pierre Oh! Almost forgot: STalker works on Moniterm monitors, Overscan mods, and (I think) even on the TT! Pierre Fortin Bell-Northern Research I know, my postings are Internet Systems P.O.Box 3511, Stn C terse and humourless. So? (613)763-2598 Ottawa, Ontario RIP: aptly named protocol fortinp@bnr.ca Canada K1Y 4H7 AppleTalk: Adam&Eve's design
psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) (01/04/91)
In article <1991Jan3.012817.6966@bwdls61.bnr.ca>, fortinp@bwdls56.bnr.ca (Pierre Fortin) writes: > UniTerm and now STalker/STeno: Two of the best, and best supported products for > the Atari ST line. > > Cheers, > Pierre > > Oh! Almost forgot: STalker works on Moniterm monitors, Overscan mods, and (I think) > even on the TT! > Ok, were do we get STalker, is it on the FTP sites? I would love to give this a try! Troy Carpenter Department of Computer Sciences THE University of Texas, Austin psurge@cs.utexas.edu "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*
ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) (01/04/91)
psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) writes: - Ok, were do we get STalker, is it on the FTP sites? I would love - to give this a try! It's a commercial product that retails for $30. It comes with STeno, a great little text editor. The latest version, 2.06, includes a miniBBS in STalker that runs in the background. The package is well worth even the $30 retail price, but you can find it mail order for less. I got it several months ago from my local dealer for $17. -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
chuck@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (charles bridgeland) (01/04/91)
--------------------------------- >- Ok, were do we get STalker, is it on the FTP sites? I would love >- to give this a try! > >It's a commercial product that retails for $30. It comes with STeno, >a great little text editor. The latest version, 2.06, includes a >miniBBS in STalker that runs in the background. >-- > Ed Krimen ............................................... ------------------------------------------------- what are it's capabilities? vt-100?, what else? Uniterm is very nice, but pretty much fills my 520, so I'm kind of on the lookout for something a bit smaller, that doesn't necessarity have all that stuff I don't need (like tectronix emulation). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- chuck bridgeland---anarchoRepublican --don't forget, we surround _them_, not the other way around" chuck@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu hire me so I can quit this pit. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) (01/05/91)
chuck@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (charles bridgeland) writes: - what are it's capabilities? vt-100?, what else? Well, it does a lot of nice stuff, including VT-100. Uploading and downloading (Xmodem and Ymodem-Batch, Zmodem on the way) in the background. Right now, I'm in STeno editing this message. Then, I can hit ALT-A to Select All and ALT-X to cut everything into a clipboard buffer. Then I hit ALT-Tab and it toggles over to STalker where I hit ALT-V to paste back into the vi editor. It may sound a bit confusing at first, but after a while or if you watch someone go through the process, it's really quick and, I think at least, A LOT nicer than Flash's and Interlink's terminal program/editor combos. A script language is also on the way for version 3.0. - Uniterm is very nice, but pretty much fills my 520, so I'm kind of - on the lookout for something a bit smaller, that doesn't necessarity - have all that stuff I don't need (like tectronix emulation). STalker and STeno are pretty big for desk accessories, although you can configure how much memory their buffers consume. One meg of RAM is recommended, if not almoot required. I have one meg with NeoDesk, Turbo ST, STalker and STeno, and a few little things loaded with ICD's booter (taking about 200K). It's pretty snug having only 65K left, but still usable. If I need to do any memory-intensive stuff, I just reboot and don't load STalker and STeno. -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
emerson@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Emerson Mei) (01/05/91)
STalker is also my favorite term program. I feel it's the best. The VT100 is solid and there are only a few features that I miss (kermit). I'd also like to commend the authors for there excellent support. They were extremely helpfulwhen I couldn't get background downloading to work properly. (Don't use 2 screen savers) Actually they called me back from Toronto twice!!! That's support. This program is very reasonably priced and I feel if there's any justice in the world Strata Software will be rewarded by Atari users buying this program and seeing a new standard in Atari software and support.
fortinp@bwdls56.bnr.ca (Pierre Fortin) (01/06/91)
In article <16477@cs.utexas.edu>, psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) writes: > In article <1991Jan3.012817.6966@bwdls61.bnr.ca>, fortinp@bwdls56.bnr.ca (Pierre Fortin) writes: > > UniTerm and now STalker/STeno: Two of the best, and best supported products for > > the Atari ST line. > > Ok, were do we get STalker, is it on the FTP sites? I would love to give this > a try! > I didn't include the information in my original posting because I didn't want to be flamed for "commercialism". :^) Therefore, in direct response: STalker/STeno, if not available locally, can be obtained by writing/calling: Strata Software 94 Rowe Drive Kanata, Ontario (Ottawa area, not Toronto) Canada K2L 3Y9 GEnie : E.ROSENQUIST Bix : e_rosenquist Ph/Fax: (613) 591-1922 I think Eric has both a Fax machine and an answering machine connected to this line (but don't hold me to that information). He also provides support on the National Capital Atari Users' Group (NCAUG) BBS in Ottawa (613) 737-1133; there is an area on the BBS for registered users. I think you get the idea about the level of support he provides. Possible conflict of interest disclosure: :^) I know Eric through the NCAUG club. His wife works in the same building I do. I am a STalker beta-tester. I am in no other way associated with Strata Software. I receive no remunerations. I am just a VERY satisfied user. STalker/STeno retails for under CAN$40. Little known STalker info: - mini-BBS mode - supports SHADOW (from Antic) - supports DC-Port - runs on ST, large monitors, Overscan - runs as either .ACC or .PRG - V3 will support: - a C-like language - features will allow STalker to be programmed to auto-dial unattended, and do whatever you want; maybe get the latest xxx.arc from a remote BBS while you sleep and the rates are cheap... - PC-ANSI Pierre Fortin Bell-Northern Research I know, my postings are Internet Systems P.O.Box 3511, Stn C terse and humourless. So? (613)763-2598 Ottawa, Ontario RIP: aptly named protocol fortinp@bnr.ca Canada K1Y 4H7 AppleTalk: Adam&Eve's design
rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) (01/08/91)
Okay, you've almost got me convinced to buy it. Two little nagging questions remain: 1) What handshaking does it support? RTS/CTS XON/XOFF ENQ/ACK 2) Why not Kermit? Will future versions support Kermit? And I swore I'd never get another piece of ST software... --- Regards Ray Depew HP ICBD -- IC's by Bill & Dave rrd@hpfitst1.hp.com
ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L.J.Dickey) (01/08/91)
In article <40231@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> emerson@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Emerson Mei) writes: > >STalker is also my favorite term program. I feel it's the best. I would like to know what features STalker has that UNITERM does not have.
rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) (01/15/91)
Thanks, Paul. I already have uniterm and I agree with you wholeheartedly
that it's still the best terminal emulator around. However, the discussion
here has drifted to STalker/STeno, and since I use my ST for program
development on the HP48SX, I could really use a conbination datacomm/text
editor program. That's why STalker/STeno sounded so neat.
I need the ENQ/ACK handshaking because I also use my ST via modem to call into
work, and remote access requires ENQ/ACK. (It's a real abomination.)
So, again, re: STalker:
1) What handshaking does it support?
RTS/CTS
XON/XOFF
ENQ/ACK
2) Why not Kermit? Will future versions support Kermit?
Regards
Ray Depew
IC's by Bill and Dave
rrd@hpfitst1.hp.comemerson@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Emerson Mei) (01/15/91)
Stalker supports xon/xoff of rts/cts or both. The other Q? I don't know the answer for that but here are some addresses. (Compuserve mail is availible through usenet too) GEnie: E.ROSENQUIST Bix: e_rosenquist CompuServe: 72711,2503 PS an example of the utility STalker/STeno provide is that I am preparing this message in one DA STeno window and then ran STeno from the desktop to open the read.me that had the addresses I wanted to paste into this message. now I can send the whole thing to STalker and the net world w/a couple of keystrokes or mouse clicks. PPS Another nice thing is that STeno used as a DA has a gem menu bar INSIDE its window. ( and it always tries to show the full selections by not only dropping down but droppIng up (can I say that?) as well. Yet another feature is that they can both be run as DAs or prgs off the desktop. Actually there are yet still more other features unmentioned AND STalker 3.x w/script language and other things will be out soon. emerson@stat.berkeley.edu seeya.......
ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) (01/16/91)
emerson@gandalf.Berkeley.EDU (Emerson Mei) writes: - PPS Another nice thing is that STeno used as a DA has a gem menu bar - INSIDE its window. ( and it always tries to show the full selections - by not only dropping down but droppIng up (can I say that?) as well. As it is now, STeno has the drop-down (or drop-up, which IS pretty clever, when there isn't enough room for the menus to drop down) menus inside the desk accessory window; STalker has a pop-up menu when you press the left mouse button. However, Eric tells me that in version 3.0, STalker will have the drop-menu inside the desk acc. window just as STeno has now. - Yet another feature is that they can both be run as DAs or prgs off - the desktop. Actually there are yet still more other features - unmentioned AND STalker 3.x w/script language and other things will - be out soon. Another addition STalker 3.0 will have, according to Eric, is an enhanced transfer section. Instead of just displaying the transfer status in the window's information line, a separate, smaller window will be created which will show the estimated transfer time, time remaining, size of the file, etc., etc., like Z-term on the Mac. -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
rosenqui@crc.skl.dnd.ca (Eric Rosenquist) (01/18/91)
In article <7340060@hpfcso.HP.COM> rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) writes: >Thanks, Paul. I already have uniterm and I agree with you wholeheartedly >that it's still the best terminal emulator around. However, the discussion >here has drifted to STalker/STeno, and since I use my ST for program >development on the HP48SX, I could really use a conbination datacomm/text >editor program. That's why STalker/STeno sounded so neat. > >I need the ENQ/ACK handshaking because I also use my ST via modem to call into >work, and remote access requires ENQ/ACK. (It's a real abomination.) > >So, again, re: STalker: > > > 1) What handshaking does it support? > RTS/CTS > XON/XOFF > ENQ/ACK It currently supports None, XON/XOFF, RTS/CTS, or BOTH as per the ST's serial routines. I don't know much about HP's ENQ/ACK; if you have any info you can send me I will look at it and consider adding it in a future version. > 2) Why not Kermit? Will future versions support Kermit? Why not? Because :-) I realize that there are some cases where Kermit is the only choice (talking to IBM mainframes typically), but it was basically a case of Kermit being the low man (frog?) on the totem pole. XModem and its variants are in much more demand, and consideration has always been given to the amount of memory occupied by STalker (since it's primarily used as a GEM DA). If there is sufficient demand, I may consider implementing Kermit using the upcoming STalker 3's script language, or if I'm lucky, perhaps some enterprising programmer will do it for me. The script language should have everything needed for such a task. Right now I've got my hands full working on ZModem, so don't expect to see Kermit from me any time soon. Eric
rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) (01/18/91)
In comp.sys.atari.st, rosenqui@crc.skl.dnd.ca (Eric Rosenquist) replies: >In article <7340060@hpfcso.HP.COM> rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) writes: >>.... However, the discussion >>here has drifted to STalker/STeno, and since I use my ST for program >>development on the HP48SX, I could really use a combination datacomm/text >>editor program. That's why STalker/STeno sounded so neat. >> >>So, again, re: STalker: >> >> 1) What handshaking does it support? > >It currently supports None, XON/XOFF, RTS/CTS, or BOTH as per the ST's >serial routines. I don't know much about HP's ENQ/ACK; if you have >any info you can send me I will look at it and consider adding it in a >future version. I don't have any technical info on ENQ/ACK; perhaps a fellow HP-ite reading this can help out. ENQ/ACK is an abomination left over from the days of the HP3000 (a very good mainframe business computer). The 3000 I/O systems required ENQ/ACK handshaking with their remote terminals. (Why they couldn't use just RTS/CTS or XON/XOFF, I'll never know. Maybe because that's the way HP ran their computer bizniz back then...) Anyway, ENQ/ACK acquired a life of its own, and now, even though it's not needed in our new computers, people keep building it in as an option. Someone on this site decided to exercise that option, and so here I am. Don't worry. Uniterm doesn't have it either. Nor does Flash. I've seen one PD termulator with ENQ/ACK, but it didn't work very well. >> 2) Why not Kermit? Will future versions support Kermit? > >Why not? Because :-) :-) :-) >I realize that there are some cases where Kermit >is the only choice (talking to IBM mainframes typically), but it was >basically a case of Kermit being the low man (frog?) on the totem >pole. XModem and its variants are in much more demand, and >consideration has always been given to the amount of memory occupied >by STalker (since it's primarily used as a GEM DA). If there is >sufficient demand, I may consider implementing Kermit using the >upcoming STalker 3's script language, or if I'm lucky, perhaps some >enterprising programmer will do it for me. The script language should >have everything needed for such a task. Right now I've got my hands >full working on ZModem, so don't expect to see Kermit from me any time >soon. I see. I don't know how much demand there is for it. Kermit is awfully slow, compared to other protocols. HOWEVER, on the question of code: there is a book by Frank da Cruz, called "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol." I leafed through it once, and it had a lot of code (Pascal? shell script? not C) in it -- it looked like enough code to build an entire Kermit. Thanks for responding. The combination of termulator/editor, especially as desk accessories, sounds intriguing enough to me. >Eric >---------- Regards Ray Depew rrd@hpfitst1.hp.com
smisra@eos.ncsu.edu (01/18/91)
So, where DOES one find 2.0f?? Thanks
rcb@netcom.UUCP (Roy Bixler) (01/19/91)
In article <7340061@hpfcso.HP.COM> you write: >I see. I don't know how much demand there is for it. Kermit is awfully >slow, compared to other protocols. Kermit is just as fast as any other protocol if you have a newer version which accepts large (at least 1-2K) packets. This is especially true if the Kermit also implements sliding windows. Uniterm has the former, but not the latter. > >Regards >Ray Depew >rrd@hpfitst1.hp.com Roy Bixler netcom!rcb@apple.com
gt1448b@prism.gatech.EDU (David P. Forrai) (01/20/91)
In <7340061@hpfcso.HP.COM> rrd@hpfcso.HP.COM (Ray Depew) writes: >I see. I don't know how much demand there is for it. Kermit is awfully >slow, compared to other protocols. HOWEVER, on the question of code: there >is a book by Frank da Cruz, called "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol." I >leafed through it once, and it had a lot of code (Pascal? shell script? not C) >in it -- it looked like enough code to build an entire Kermit. For those who may be interested in building their own Kermit, the code in Frank da Cruz's book is mostly written in LEX. The book is available from DEC Press. Also, the source for C-Kermit is available at many anonymous FTP sites. >Regards >Ray Depew >rrd@hpfitst1.hp.com -- David P. Forrai uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1448b Internet: gt1448b@prism.gatech.edu