[comp.sys.atari.st] STalker & STeno

ywrpiero@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark Pierro) (01/18/91)

I have read with great interest the discussions here on  STalker/STeno - 
I have been seriously considering getting this package but have had one 
reservation.  Since I only have 1 meg of memory, I was concerned about 
having STeno loaded while running STalker and still have enough memory 
for other applications after quitting telecommunciations.  

Therefore, my question is: Do you need STeno to act as a capture buffer 
when running STalker or does STalker have its own, built in capture??

Many Thanks.

ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) (01/18/91)

ywrpiero@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark Pierro) writes:

- I have read with great interest the discussions here on  STalker/STeno - 
- I have been seriously considering getting this package but have had one 
- reservation.  Since I only have 1 meg of memory, I was concerned about 
- having STeno loaded while running STalker and still have enough memory 
- for other applications after quitting telecommunciations.  
 
I have one meg on my STe.  I run about 200K worth of hard drive cache 
and NeoDesk installed, not to mention a few other little things.  
With STalker and STeno, I have about 100K free.  When I'm not doing 
telelcommunications, I reboot and change my configuration with 
Superboot.  Once I get two megs, I'll probably stop rebooting.  But 
even now, I have enough room to load programs like DC Xtract 2.0 and 
other utilities.

- Therefore, my question is: Do you need STeno to act as a capture 
- buffer when running STalker or does STalker have its own, built in
- capture??
 
STeno is the capture buffer; STalker does not have its own.  On the 
other hand, STalker does have an "ASCII Receive" feature which lets 
you save the incoming text directly to a text file.  Once you open 
it, it only closes the file after you tell it to or when there's no 
more space on the disk.  

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rosenqui@crc.skl.dnd.ca (Eric Rosenquist) (01/19/91)

In article <54920@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> ywrpiero@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>
>I have read with great interest the discussions here on  STalker/STeno - 
>I have been seriously considering getting this package but have had one 
>reservation.  Since I only have 1 meg of memory, I was concerned about 
>having STeno loaded while running STalker and still have enough memory 
>for other applications after quitting telecommunciations.  

1 meg is plenty, depending on what other apps you plan to run with
STalker/STeno loaded.  Calamus users and others who want as large a
workspace as possible often reboot without any ACCs at all, it's up to
you.  You can always run either as a .PRG just by renaming the file.
Using STeno as a .PRG is a good compromise since it lets your capture
area be as big as the available memory.  As an .ACC, STeno has to
allocate all of its space at boot time, so a 100K edit buffer eats
100K of RAM.

STeno's minimum config is somewhere around 90K total consumption.
That gives you a 32K edit buffer, allowing files up to around 28 or
29K to be edited (i.e., there's some storage overhead).

STalker 2.0's minimum config used right around 100K or RAM grand total
(that's with an 80x24 virtual screen and a 4K transfer buffer).  The
current version 2.06 is somewhere around 125K minimum due to all the
new features that were added around 2.04.  Note that unlike Shadow, a
small file transfer buffer does not limit your file transfers in any
way.  It simply means that it will get flushed to / read from disk
more often than with a larger one.

>Therefore, my question is: Do you need STeno to act as a capture buffer 
>when running STalker or does STalker have its own, built in capture??

No, you don't need STeno at all.  They're independent programs that
happen to take advantage of each other's presence.  Without STeno
loaded, STalker's capture command is simply not available.  I myself
use capture sparingly and rely instead on STalker's scroll-back
buffer.  If you've used xterm you probably have an idea of what this
is like.  As lines of text scroll off the top of the STalker terminal
window they aren't lost; you can configure up to 2000 lines in the
buffer and can then scroll back and forth over the received text.  You
can even use the mouse to grab a chunk of it and then save it to disk,
print it, or fire it off to STeno for editing.

You might consider the scroll-back buffer as a limited size, read-only
capture buffer.  You can also capture to disk (called ASCII-Receive)
if you like.

...hope this helps,

Eric

Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com (01/21/91)

 >> I have read with great interest the discussions here on  STalker/STeno 
 >> I have been seriously considering getting this package but have had one
 >> reservation.  Since I only have 1 meg of memory, I was concerned about
 >> having STeno loaded while running STalker and still have enough memory
 >> for other applications after quitting telecommunciations.
 >> 
 >> Therefore, my question is: Do you need STeno to act as a capture buffer
 >> when running STalker or does STalker have its own, built in capture??

Nope, the look back buffer in STalker can function in the same way. 
You use ALT-Mouse drag to select an area of text and then are given a 
choice of saving to a file or printing or pasting to STeno (in case 
capture is OFF in STalker).

ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) (01/23/91)

Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@cup.portal.com writes:

- Nope, the look back buffer in STalker can function in the same way. 
- You use ALT-Mouse drag to select an area of text and then are given a 
- choice of saving to a file or printing or pasting to STeno (in case 
- capture is OFF in STalker).
 
You can also use RightMouseButton-LeftMouseButton to select the area. 

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         Ed Krimen  ...............................................
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