bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D Moore) (01/18/91)
I read something on the net that raises a question: can I put an
ST disk in a PC and read it directly? I have been considering downloading
from the PC binary net for a friend of mine, but was curious how to pass
on the programs. If this is so, it would greatly facilitate things, as
I was daunted by the prospect of downloading, uudecoding, and porting through
PC-Ditto (software version). So, am I saved from this?
-- bemosilvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert) (01/18/91)
In article <1991Jan17.224413.20354@rice.edu> bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D Moore) writes: > > I read something on the net that raises a question: can I put an >ST disk in a PC and read it directly? I have been considering downloading >from the PC binary net for a friend of mine, but was curious how to pass >on the programs. If this is so, it would greatly facilitate things, as >I was daunted by the prospect of downloading, uudecoding, and porting through >PC-Ditto (software version). So, am I saved from this? The ST can handle PC disks, so format disks on the PC and copy files from the ST to them. There are other options -- special formatting programs exist, and TOS 1.4 generates PC formatted disks automatically -- but this always works (so long as you have a double-sided ST drive of course!). -- William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2. Tel. (902)426-1577 UUCP=..!{uunet|watmath}!dalcs!biomel!bill BITNET=bill%biomel%dalcs@dalac InterNet=bill%biomel@cs.dal.ca
mg20+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Paul Greelish) (01/19/91)
Yes. Well, almost. For best results, format the disk on the IBM in 720K format. The Atari and the IBM have slightly different ways of storing the directory (among other things.) Also, do *NOT* (I have) try to use "alternative format" (i.e. Twister, etc.) Atari ST disks on the IBM, they do weird things. ______________________________________________________________ |\ /| | \/ | ike Greelish Carnegie Mellon U. undergrad, professional writing major quote: "Everything is broken." ---Bob Dylan stupid disclaimer: My opinions are.
ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) (01/19/91)
gordon@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (John Gordon) writes: - You can interchange 3.5" DD disks between STs and PCs *IF* - the disk was formatted on a PC. If the disk was formatted on an ST, - the PC can't read it, but the ST can work just fine with - PC-formatted disks. Lemme add that you CAN format the disks on an ST, but there are restrictions. The disks must be formatted 80 tracks/9 sectors and they must have an MS-DOS-compatible boot sector. TOS 1.4 and greater will do this automatically; for TOS 1.0 and 1.2, you must use something like DC Format and its MS-DOS boot sector option to create the compatible boot sector. -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0
klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) (01/23/91)
In article <1991Jan18.221204.4936@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, gordon@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (John Gordon) writes: |> You can interchange 3.5" DD disks between STs and PCs *IF* the disk |> was formatted on a PC. If the disk was formatted on an ST, the PC can't |> read |> it, but the ST can work just fine with PC-formatted disks. Hmm, I thought since TOS 1.4 it made no difference whether the disk was formatted on an ST or a PC. Comments anyone? Anyway, I am able to exchange floppies formatted on my ST with my Sun SparcStation where I read and write them with Mtools. -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386
tony@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Tony Reynolds) (01/24/91)
Okay, as long as the PC has a 1.44MB disk (haven't tried with 720K), and
the disk has had an IBM boot sector written to it, you can read/write
twister formatted disks!
You can add a line like:
drivparm=/d:1 /n:10 /t:82
This makes a new device at boot time, drive x: (x is one letter greater
than the last drive that was installed), assumes your 1.44 is drive B:
to start with, and sets the new drive up as 10 sec/track and 82 tracks/
disk.
When Mess-Doss comes up, it will say something like:
INSTALLED NEW DEVICE FOR DRIVE D:
(I just tried it with MS-DOS 3.3 and it said "Unrecognized command in
CONFIG.SYS," but I know it works with DOS 4.01)
Then you can type "dir d:" and the computer will say
"Put disk for drive D: in drive B:"
You slip it the disk, and bingo, r/w twister disks, no problems.
Note that I make no guarantees that this'll work; I had now
problems, and used it AT MY OWN RISK. Please consult your
Mess-Doss manual for information on DRIVPARM. I have not tried it
with the disks produced by FORMAT11, as my system cannot reliably r/w
these disks. Sorry.
Also note that there is NO E in DRIVPARM! It stung me three times!
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This includes USENET Mail, please check the "To:" field for replysrlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) (01/25/91)
In article <1991Jan23.211440.5812@cs.olemiss.edu>, tony@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Tony Reynolds) writes: > Okay, as long as the PC has a 1.44MB disk (haven't tried with 720K), and > the disk has had an IBM boot sector written to it, you can read/write > twister formatted disks! Well, the weird thing is that my roommates Zenith clone with a 1.44Meg drive could read my TOS 1.0 disk when it was extended formatted. (80 tracks with 10 sectors per track, I haven't tried it with 82 tracks) I never figured out why his computer read it while my other roommate's clone couldn't. Oh well, I guess this is what makes computers so exciting!!!!!!!!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ryan 'Gozar' Collins ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ o__)\ rlcollins@miavx1.BITNET / ) RC1DSANU@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu / / ____ R.COLLINS1 (On GEnie) /(____/__(_) o)_/ /) [ || ] Atari Computers, "There is no Substitute." [ || ] They're not just Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh'er geniryvat // || \\ for breakfast gbb pybfr! // || \\ anymore ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Yea, right, thats what I said.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
boyd@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) (01/25/91)
In article <2958@laura.UUCP>, klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) writes: >Hmm, I thought since TOS 1.4 it made no difference whether the disk was >formatted on an ST or a PC. Comments anyone? That is correct. Neodesk will also format disks with the correct bootsector info for PC's. > >Anyway, I am able to exchange floppies formatted on my ST with my Sun >SparcStation where I read and write them with Mtools. Could you please email/post which version of MTOOLS you are using, and any ifdefs you had to change to make it work (if any). Thanks! > >-- > Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de > Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet > Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 >D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 -- Mickey R. Boyd | "God is a comedian playing to an FSU Computer Science | audience too afraid to laugh." Technical Support Group | email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | - Voltaire
wolfram@cip-s06.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Wolfram Roesler) (01/25/91)
bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D Moore) writes: > I read something on the net that raises a question: can I put an >ST disk in a PC and read it directly? I have been considering downloading >from the PC binary net for a friend of mine, but was curious how to pass >on the programs. If this is so, it would greatly facilitate things, as >I was daunted by the prospect of downloading, uudecoding, and porting through >PC-Ditto (software version). So, am I saved from this? > -- bemo It principally is possible. A PC can read ST disks without problems. Reading an ST disk on a PC is a matter of the formatting program (has sth to do with the bootsector entries etc).
seitz@netcom.UUCP (Matthew Seitz) (01/27/91)
In article <1991Jan23.211440.5812@cs.olemiss.edu> tony@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Tony Reynolds) writes: >Okay, as long as the PC has a 1.44MB disk (haven't tried with 720K), and >the disk has had an IBM boot sector written to it, you can read/write >twister formatted disks! > >You can add a line like: > >drivparm=/d:1 /n:10 /t:82 > This will only work with MS-DOS. If you have PC-DOS (the version of MS-DOS sold by IBM) you need to use: DEVICE=DRIVER.SYS /D:1 /S:10 /T:82 I believe this will also work with MS-DOS. -- Matthew Seitz seitz@netcom.UUCP netcom!seitz
klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) (01/28/91)
In article <1991Jan24.222529.28498@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, boyd@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) writes: |> Could you please email/post which version of MTOOLS you are using, and |> any |> ifdefs you had to change to make it work (if any). Thanks! I am using Mtools 2.0.3. No #ifdefs have to be changed. The current version of Mtools and all the patches are available via anonymous ftp from cerl.cecer.army.mil (129.229.1.101). -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386