schaper@pnet51.orb.mn.org (S Schaper) (02/06/91)
This is an inevitable question, so I will ask it. How about having TOS 2.05
available for the older ST's, in both six and two chip sets (I have an early
520 now plus, with the six chip set). It sure would be a major improvement
over TOS 1.0 and would be worth the investment.
Atari?, I know you are busy with all these excellent new products, perhaps
your manufacturing facilities are too busy now, but this would be an excellent
thing to do, make a lot of us older customers happy.
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Writes:
This is an inevitable question, so I will ask it. How about having TOS 2.05
available for the older ST's, in both six and two chip sets (I have an early
520 now plus, with the six chip set). It sure would be a major improvement
over TOS 1.0 and would be worth the investment.
Atari?, I know you are busy with all these excellent new products, perhaps
your manufacturing facilities are too busy now, but this would be an excellent
thing to do, make a lot of us older customers happy.
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First of all the new TOS is too large to fit into the 192K ROM address
space with the old ROM chip sets.
Secondly, lots of the extra baggage in the new tos would be quite
useless, if not impossible to implement on the old ST's/MEGA machines.
If I was you, I would push for the new desktop. Its grand. I never thought
I would actualy like my desktop...but I do now! (Kisses and Hugs):)
(I daily clean my screen from lip prints) :) :)
--GregoryRoger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz (02/07/91)
In article <1991Feb6.145941.905@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> carter@cat27.cs.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter) writes: > Zeitgeist Busters! > UUCP: {crash tcnet}!orbit!pnet51!schaper > INET: schaper@pnet51.orb.mn.org > > Writes: > > This is an inevitable question, so I will ask it. How about having TOS 2.05 > available for the older ST's, in both six and two chip sets (I have an early > 520 now plus, with the six chip set). It sure would be a major improvement > over TOS 1.0 and would be worth the investment. > Atari?, I know you are busy with all these excellent new products, perhaps > your manufacturing facilities are too busy now, but this would be an excellent > thing to do, make a lot of us older customers happy. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > First of all the new TOS is too large to fit into the 192K ROM address > space with the old ROM chip sets. > > Secondly, lots of the extra baggage in the new tos would be quite > useless, if not impossible to implement on the old ST's/MEGA machines. > > If I was you, I would push for the new desktop. Its grand. I never thought > I would actualy like my desktop...but I do now! (Kisses and Hugs):) > (I daily clean my screen from lip prints) :) :) > > --Gregory Well I would think it was posible, for one thing Compile the code with a better Compiler, (Turbo 'C') Plus take all the redundent code out, like I Love so and so, plus all the repeated Text that I have found, Why not Pack the Text (RLL)?, go have a view at the TOS Roms and see what I meen..There is also a reported Game in TOS 1.6. -- Roger W. Sheppard 85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand...
neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) (02/07/91)
In article <4014@orbit.cts.com> schaper@pnet51.orb.mn.org (S Schaper) writes: > This is an inevitable question, so I will ask it. How about having TOS 2.05 >available for the older ST's, in both six and two chip sets (I have an early >520 now plus, with the six chip set). It sure would be a major improvement >over TOS 1.0 and would be worth the investment. > ... Well you're a latecomer to the discussion on new TOS versions but your vote on the matter is most welcome. I should point out that I doubt if the new TOS will fit in 192K so the general concensus of opinion is to release it in part or whole as a RAM loadable version. This would not be a great benefit to floppy only users but would greatly enhance HD systems. LET'S KEEP PLUGGING AT IT FOLKS! >************************************************************************** >Zeitgeist Busters! >UUCP: {crash tcnet}!orbit!pnet51!schaper >INET: schaper@pnet51.orb.mn.org > Aslan is on the move! >****************************************************************************
hvaalde@cs.vu.nl (Aalderen van Harold) (02/08/91)
neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes: >In article <4014@orbit.cts.com> schaper@pnet51.orb.mn.org (S Schaper) writes: >> This is an inevitable question, so I will ask it. How about having TOS 2.05 >>available for the older ST's, in both six and two chip sets (I have an early >>520 now plus, with the six chip set). It sure would be a major improvement >>over TOS 1.0 and would be worth the investment. >> ... >Well you're a latecomer to the discussion on new TOS versions but your vote on >the matter is most welcome. I vote for a fully compatible RAM loadable (from HD ofcourse) version for HD owners and if possible a stripped ROM version to satisfy floppy users and some HD owners with little memory By the way how big is the ROM space of the 1040STE? Harold van Aalderen (hvaalde@cs.vu.nl)
neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) (02/10/91)
In article <8997@star.cs.vu.nl> hvaalde@cs.vu.nl (Aalderen van Harold) writes: >I vote for a fully compatible RAM loadable (from HD ofcourse) version for >HD owners and if possible a stripped ROM version to satisfy floppy users and >some HD owners with little memory Well there's another vote! Are you reading this Atari? Perhaps we should petition Atari about this. >By the way how big is the ROM space of the 1040STE? I think this is the situation on ROM size and location:- Machine Size Address TOS Version ------- ---- ------- ----------- ST,STF,STFM 192K $FC0000 TOS 1.0,1.2,1.4 STE 256K $E00000 TOS 1.60,1.62 Mega STE 512K $E00000 (?) TOS 2.05 TT 512K $E00000 TOS 3.00 (?) Note however you should *NEVER* rely on the address. You should get the address system header at $4F2 and work from that. I guess the STE could be hacked to take 512K of addressing. Maybe the MMU craps on that idea. >Harold van Aalderen (hvaalde@cs.vu.nl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own ! ! ! ! Neil Forsyth JANET: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs ! ! Dept. of Computer Science ARPA: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk ! ! Heriot-Watt University UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil ! ! Edinburgh, Scotland, UK "That was never 512K!" ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
micro@imada.dk (Klaus Pedersen) (02/13/91)
schaper@pnet51.orb.mn.org (S Schaper) writes: >[ Make TOS 2.05 available for 'older' ST's ] It is possible for Atari to make an upgrade, for the older ST's - the only hardware required is 2 roms (128Kb x 8) and a new GLUE chip. The GLUE makes all the rom chip selects. The new GLUE should make chip selects in the 0xE0 range instead of the 0xFC range. (with 6 rom sockets of each 128Kb there should be 768Kb rom space - now say that there is no room for GDOS). There is problems however... All the new Atari computers (STE,TT) have new hardware! (TOS 1.8 and NOT TOS 2.05). Another problem is that Atari might not see the enougt potential sale in such an upgrade, to justify the development of a new GLUE, and yet another version of TOS. Klaus Pedesen
larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) (02/13/91)
To get the OS adresse you could also look at the first bytes of the RAM The first 8 bytes are copies of the ROM on all machines.... $2.B First byte of version (1 = ST/STE, 2 = MEGA STE, 3 = TT) $3.B Second byte of version (<5 = ST, >5 STE for $2.B = 1) $4.L Exec OS adresse (FC0030 for a standard ST) Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________ Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST __________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association
csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod ) (02/13/91)
larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) writes: >To get the OS adresse you could also look at the first bytes of the RAM >The first 8 bytes are copies of the ROM on all machines.... >$2.B First byte of version (1 = ST/STE, 2 = MEGA STE, 3 = TT) >$3.B Second byte of version (<5 = ST, >5 STE for $2.B = 1) >$4.L Exec OS adresse (FC0030 for a standard ST) This is an undocumented feature. You should really use sysbase instead. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, West Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de ----------------------------------------------------------------------