[comp.sys.atari.st] Overscan in monochrome

mrose@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Rose) (02/04/91)

Hello everyone!

	The most I have been able to overscan on my sm124 monochrome 
monitor has been 672x480.  If I set it to overscan more, the image 
becomes bent and wraps around the screen.  In the overscan docs, it 
mentions that it is possible to overscan approx. 800x600 (I think) on a 
well adjusted monochrome monitor or a multisync.  Does anyone know what 
adjustments have to be made to the monitor to do this?  What is the highest 
resolution anyone has been able to overscan on the Atari monochrome or 
multisyncs for that matter?
	I was also wondering if anyone has seen or knows anything about
the Reflex graphics board for the Mega's.  It is a plug in card that
is supposed to provide 1024x768 on the standard Atari monochrome monitor
and even higher resolutions with other types of monitors.  Does anyone know
if it is available in the United States?  Thanks!!!


				Sincerely,

				Michael Rose


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wieners@quando.quantum.de (Volkmar Wieners) (02/05/91)

In article <1991Feb3.213147.24259@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mrose@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Rose) writes:
>	The most I have been able to overscan on my sm124 monochrome 
>monitor has been 672x480. 

That's ok for an normal SM124. Mine (build in 1985) does the same. Some
of the newer SM124 (with the Atari logo painted on the front) should be
able to show up to 704x480, but they're rare.

>In the overscan docs, it mentions that it is possible to overscan approx. 
>800x600 (I think) on a well adjusted monochrome monitor or a multisync.

Did you have the old overscan (hyperscreen) with that manual switch or
the new "Autoswitch-Overscan" (AS-OS) which automatically change the
solution? There is a nice solution-table in the well written AS-OS dox. 
800x600 isn't mentioned there. The maximum for monochrome monitors 
should be 752x480 on NEC Multisync GS or a good TVM MG11. Maybe some
816x280 on color monitors (mid solution) but I don't think many use that.

>Does anyone know what adjustments have to be made to the monitor to do this?

You can move the picture or make it a little bit brighter but if you have
left the SM124 in original state, you couldn't get more solutions by
internal adjustments. I've tried it. 8-) And beware, that things inside could 
kill you.

>	I was also wondering if anyone has seen or knows anything about
>the Reflex graphics board for the Mega's. 

Never heard of that here in Germany. There's a card for Megas called
"Megascreen" which make a little bit more in monochrome than AS-OS. But
you need a Mega (don't have one) and a mulitsync (also missed) to use
it. AS-OS works with every ST (except STE and TT), every monitor and
have the better software, i think.
cu,
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hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) (02/14/91)

You got 672x480, I got 688x480 on my SM124. I got 736x480 using a multisync
display (Magicsync+, .28mm dot pitch, supposed to be capable of 1024x768 rez).
I also got 416x280 and 832x280 in color modes on the multisync.

So what's it take to get more vertical rez in color - interlace?
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lunnon@qut.edu.au (02/19/91)

In article <1991Feb13.223042.1968@math.lsa.umich.edu>, hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes:
> You got 672x480, I got 688x480 on my SM124. I got 736x480 using a multisync
> display (Magicsync+, .28mm dot pitch, supposed to be capable of 1024x768 rez).
> I also got 416x280 and 832x280 in color modes on the multisync.
> 
> So what's it take to get more vertical rez in color - interlace?

Actually, I designed a little (< $5) hardware hack a couple of years ago
which added an interlace mode to the ST. It was interesting to see a flicker
mode on an ST, anyway this $5 hack gave 320*400 640*400 640*800 interlaced
modes to your ST. Actually mono mode (640*800) was actually watchable 'cause
of the 72 Hz V scan rate. Add to that overscan and I guess 736*960 is possible
:-)


This actually was just a gizmo that plugged in into the monitor port between
the ST and your monitor and consisted of two ICs a 74ls74 and a 74ls122 I think
, The object is to delay the vertical sync pulse by half a line relative to
the horizontal sync pulse on every odd, given there was some way to detect
which field was which (GPO) one could flip screens each field to generate
high rez displays.

It turned out that I just could not stand the flicker, so the board is an
unusual curiosity in the bottom of a junk box somewhere.

	BOB
	R.Lunnon@qut.edu.au



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vsnyder@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder) (02/20/91)

Does anybody know what signal is on pin 10 of the RF modulator in an old (rev
B board) 520ST?  It also appears on pin 2 of the monitor jack.  I tried using
it for Overscan, but it didn't work, so I assume it's not composite synch.

There's enough unused logic in my ST to compute composite synch without adding
two diodes, a resistor and a transistor:  U14 has a spare 2-input NAND, U40
has a spare 2-input NOR, and U35? has two spare invertors.  That's ALMOST
enough to control Overscan with GPO instead of a switch.
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szhu@tasha.poly.edu (A1 shu bin zhu (cs) ) (02/28/91)

How did you get the extra resolutions on the ST?