bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D. Moore) (02/13/91)
I was just reading some info on the TT package and I have to wonder:
Why are they shipping UNIX V.4? This is at least two generations behind the
last version I know of, which is at least a year old to boot. Is this going
to be like the TOS story, with three or four different versions floating
around, and patches following them like abandoned puppies? Someone at ATARI
want to pick up this thread? It took me forever to learn the current one, and
I sure am not in the mood to backpedal. Of course, this is all moot until they
keep the TT from broadcasting like WKRP... :-)
And while I'm at it (deja vu!), I just want to mention that the latest
edition of ATARI INTERFACE has a small comparison between bottom-line Casio and
Yamaha MIDI keyboards. The crux was:
Casio: 44-key full-sized keyboard. 4 polyphonic groups of the 16 available
channels (6,4,2,4 if memory serves), 30 sampled sounds (2 of which
are blah sound effects). $250.
Yamaha: 61-key undersized (eugh) keyboard, channels independent (I think), 100
sounds (not sampled, I think). $350.
This is from memory, so no flames. If I get one of these (fairly likely),
I'll keep you (snicker) posted.
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod ) (02/13/91)
bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D. Moore) writes: > I was just reading some info on the TT package and I have to wonder: >Why are they shipping UNIX V.4? This is at least two generations behind the >last version I know of, which is at least a year old to boot. Is this going I didn't know there was any more recent UNIX version from the AT&T line than V.4. Which newer versions are you aware of? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, West Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de ----------------------------------------------------------------------
khh@root.co.uk (Keith Holder) (02/13/91)
In <1991Feb13.001117.24061@rice.edu> bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D. Moore) writes: > I was just reading some info on the TT package and I have to wonder: >Why are they shipping UNIX V.4? This is at least two generations behind the >last version I know of, which is at least a year old to boot. Is this going I would like to know which version of UNIX System V that you know of. As far as I am aware, V.4 is the 'latest' version of UNIX from AT&T USL. -- -- Keith Holder, Systems Software Consultant, UniSoft Ltd. <khh@root.co.uk> G1ITH Fax: (071) 729 3273 Phone: +44 71 729 3773
barry@speaker.metaphor.com (Barry Friedman) (02/14/91)
In article <1991Feb13.001117.24061@rice.edu> bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D. Moore) writes: > > I was just reading some info on the TT package and I have to wonder: >Why are they shipping UNIX V.4? This is at least two generations behind the >last version I know of, which is at least a year old to boot. Is this going >to be like the TOS story, with three or four different versions floating >around, and patches following them like abandoned puppies? I think by UNIX V.4 you mean SVR4 which is the STANDARD UNIX according to AT&T and Unix International (the OSF disagrees). This is something of a unified UNIX definition (Xenix, BSD, UNIX V, etc) and includes support for networking, real time and X window system. I'd like to hear about a binary standard for 68K based SVR4 (there's already one for Intel I think). This would allow running software on the TT that was not specifically developed for it (ie. it was developed for any 68K machine running SVR4). Any news on 68K SVR4 ABI (Application Binary Interface)? Am I just dreaming here? -- +=========================================================================+ | Barry_Friedman(); /* "Why stop now, just when I'm hating it?" | | - Marvin the Paranoid Android */ | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Barry Friedman | friedman@m4.metaphor.com | | Software Engineer | barry@speaker.metaphor.com | | Metaphor Computer Systems | ...!{decwrl|apple}!metaphor!speaker!barry| | Mountain View, CA | ...!{decwrl|apple}!metaphor!friedman |
luoto@cs.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto) (02/14/91)
Hey You, -Would you like to tell us all more about the unix on TT. I bought awhile ago one TT030/8 but unix wasn't awailable back then....( my TT is merely for CALAMUS SL) -like what's the price for that "little beast" OS ??? -what does it include ? -what kind of manuals,system req's,etc...??? -where to get it ??? thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>> " I'm completely operational & all my cicuits are functioning <<<<<< >>>>>> correctly...correc...corr...co...-! " : HAl9000 <<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) (02/15/91)
> > I was just reading some info on the TT package and I have to wonder: > >Why are they shipping UNIX V.4? This is at least two generations behind the > >last version I know of, which is at least a year old to boot. Is this going > I didn't know there was any more recent UNIX version from the AT&T line > than V.4. Which newer versions are you aware of? There aren't any. In fact, I'm quite surprised Atari would be shipping something so new - it has been vaporware for so long, the first actual shipments of a real box running SVR4 were only a few months ago, as I recall. You must have been confusing "UNIX V.4" with something else. -------------- Marc Sabatella (marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com) Disclaimers: 2 + 2 = 3, for suitably small values of 2 Bill and Dave may not always agree with me
scale@abode.wciu.edu (Luis Outumuro) (02/18/91)
Hi Marc, ATX (Atari's UNIX V.4) is near completion. Look for an announcement to be made at the CeBit show in March. Supposedly Atari had an earlier (older) verison of UNIX halfway done, they decided not to bring it out (because it would have been one version behind). So Atari put thier efforts towards UNIX V.4. Bye........ Luis -- """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Luis Mark Outumuro III | "Well... you're damned if you do, Computer Office Products 818/813-1051 | and you're damned if you don't!" Infoline 818/813-1053 | - Bart Simpson, 1990...
bdm@fabry.rice.edu (Brian D. Moore) (02/19/91)
In article <1991Feb18.003539.647@abode.wciu.edu>, scale@abode.wciu.edu (Luis Outumuro) writes: |> ATX (Atari's UNIX V.4) is near completion. Look for an |> announcement to be made at the CeBit show in March. |> Supposedly Atari had an earlier (older) verison of UNIX halfway done, |> they decided not to bring it out (because it would have been one version |> behind). So Atari put thier efforts towards UNIX V.4. Bye........ |> OK, mea culpa. This is the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle I needed. I had heard that the TT was one version behind, which now turns out to be V.3, and not V.4. When I read the article, and read V.4, I assumed that this was still the case. I had expected a higher number, since the local SysOp has a higher number (and says UNIX on the same line -- what a mess), and the notoriously goofy numbering of UNIX itself. (And, of course, Atari's history, recent and past, but that is neither here nor there.) So perhaps Atari is, if not ahead of the curve, then at least not slipping into the computer Cenezoic Era. However, I reserve the right to air any future complaints, lest the squeaky gear not get the oil... :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian D. Moore | Hombrewing -- the only sport open exclusively Space Physics and Astronomy | for anal-retentive alcoholics. Rice University, Houston TX | Relax -- have a home brew. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
jerry@polygen.uucp (Jerry Sheckel) (02/21/91)
bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D. Moore) writes: > > I was just reading some info on the TT package and I have to wonder: >Why are they shipping UNIX V.4? This is at least two generations behind the >last version I know of, which is at least a year old to boot. > What?! System V.4 is the LATEST version of AT&T UNIX. What are you talking about? This version incorporates System V, Berkeley UNIX 4.3, and more into one package. It is also the first UNIX with a graphical interface, Open Look running under X-Windows. Sun has yet to start using V.4 as the base for SunOS. If the TT is shipped with V.4, it will be one awesome package. -- +-------------------+----------------------+---------------------------------+ | JERRY J. SHEKHEL | POLYGEN CORPORATION | When I was young, I had to walk | | Drummers do it... | Waltham, MA USA | to school and back every day -- | | ... In rhythm! | (617) 890-2175 | 20 miles, uphill both ways. | +-------------------+----------------------+---------------------------------+ | ...! [ princeton mit-eddie bu sunne ] !polygen!jerry | | jerry@polygen.com | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
rwa@cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander) (02/24/91)
jerry@polygen.uucp (Jerry Sheckel) writes: [speaking of SysVr4 on the TT] > ... It is also the first UNIX with a graphical interface, Open Look >running under X-Windows. Gee, I seem to remember running suntools on a crufty old 3/160 *years* ago. I guess that wasn't a GUI :-) ?? Perhaps you mean it's the first Unix that Atari has shipped with a GUI. -- -- Ross Alexander rwa@cs.athabascau.ca (403) 675 6311 ve6pdq "Sometimes, you want everything to look like a nail." -- Larry Wall
Shervin.Shahrebani.Of.250/744@p0.f744.n250.z1.fidonet.org (Shervin Shahrebani Of 250/744) (02/27/91)
Yes that is true. They are now going for Unix V , version 4.0 Same thing happened with the TT computer. They had a TT running with a 68020 (TT020) and then they changed it halfway to a 68030, and hence, TT030. S.S>
wmagro@roma.uiuc.edu (William Magro) (03/01/91)
In article <1991Feb25.093515.24229@qut.edu.au>, lunnon@qut.edu.au writes: |> In article <701@aupaircs.athabascau.ca>, rwa@cs.athabascau.ca (Ross Alexander) writes: |> > jerry@polygen.uucp (Jerry Sheckel) writes: |> > [speaking of SysVr4 on the TT] |> >> ... It is also the first UNIX with a graphical interface, Open Look |> >>running under X-Windows. |> > |> > Gee, I seem to remember running suntools on a crufty old 3/160 *years* |> > ago. I guess that wasn't a GUI :-) ?? |> |> It certainly wasn't a very UNIVERSAL one X-> |> |> > |> > Perhaps you mean it's the first Unix that Atari has shipped with a GUI. |> |> |> Perhaps he means this is the first unix provided with a specified standard |> GUI rather than a graft on :-) ?????? |> The sun's GUI suntools (now called sunview) was a specified standard GUI. The atari's OpenLook is based on sunview. In fact, OpenLook (what i am running right now on this SPARCstation) has a nearly identical programming interface to Sunview's. You could say that open look is sunview with an X-window's protocol... Graphically, Bill Magro