[net.music] sound and vision - something for everyone

sherouse@unc.UUCP (George W. Sherouse) (02/19/84)

Excuse me if this rambles, but I'm not sure what it's about.

I think (I'm not sure, mind you) that I've been had.  It has
started me to thinking about the whole concept of the evocative
power of music.

Begin at the beginning, George.

Of late I have found myself occasionally watching/listening to
MTV in the hope that something of interest to *me* will be aired.
I am rewarded very rarely.  A psychologist friend of mine, who
incidentally has also been sucked in by MTV, explains that this
type of reinforcement schedule is a particularly effective one
and is the reason pinball/video arcades can make a profit.  The
idea is that you take the "just one more" risk so many times that
you wind up with a tremendous investment in obtaining what you want
and are thus tremendously rewarded when you finally get it.

Nobody can make a case for MTV (or indeed most radio) being anything
other than a promotional vehicle for the recorded music industry.
Who among us has not been infected by some particularly incidious
hook and wound up buying the associated vinyl only to find that it
does not sustain interest?

Well, it seems that video promos go one step further.  They attach
an *IMAGE* to the hook.

For me music has always been a particularly evocative form of
communication.  Usually, again for me, it evokes an ambience
rather than any particular wordly image.  I recall my early
experiences in elementary school music class where the teacher
tried in vain to get me to see the swans dancing or whatever.
I get the sense of competing music lines or parts but not of
direct correlation between musical pieces and physical actions
or characters.

The same still holds true.  I get images of constantly changing
geometric forms or sense particular moods or ambiences from the
music I listen to, with the character of the images and/or moods
depending on the type of music.

Now edging closer to the point, I have noticed that of the very
few "rock videos" I have seen and *enjoyed* only about half
accompanied music which I would have chosen to listen to otherwise.
A prime example is "TV Dinner" by ZZTop.  While I have nothing
in particular against ZZTop, I have just never found their genre
of music terribly appealing.  However, their video for this song
(which, for the blissfully uncabled, features a small Creature-From-
The-Black-Lagoon-type fellow who emerges from a TV dinner to
help himself to the TV remote control, potato chips, beer, etc.)
is so funny that it stands on its own.

Another case in point, and the spark of this discussion, is the
"Blinded by Science" song/video by Thomas Dolby.  I find both
the song and the video moderately amusing for modern pop, to the
extent that I bought the LP (sucker!!!) for a little light diversion.
I found two particularly disturbing things upon listening to the
LP.  One is that I cannot shake the images from the video.  More to
the point, I CAN'T SEEM TO HEAR THE SONG FOR ALL THE CONFLICTING IMAGES.
Second, I am not particularly engaged by the rest of the LP, and
so am forced to wonder about my judgement of the aforementioned
tune.

THE POINT (I think):

The use of images to sell music seems to me to be a very powerful
tool, more so than I would have guessed.  It bothers me that I can
be so easily influenced in something which I am normally very
critical about.  It makes me wonder anew just how TV commercials
influence me unduly.  And what about the flip-side?  How does
a choice of background music effect the way I perceive an image
or a radio commercial?  This is, of course, well-worn turf but
topical nonetheless.

AN ASIDE POINT:

Does everyone else get images from music?  What kind?  Do you see
the wolf chasing the duck?  Or do you see geometrics like I do?
What about the setting for a vocalist?  Is he/she suspended in
a space created by the music (my vote) or leaning on a piano or
what?

Good tunes to you,

(the real) George W. Sherouse
<decvax!mcnc!unc!sherouse>

"...I couldn't act naturally if I wanted to."

oscar@utcsrgv.UUCP (Oscar M. Nierstrasz) (02/20/84)

Of the power of images to move and inspire, much has already been said.
Of the worthlessness of television, much too has been said -- I haven't
watched TV (regularly) since 1976.  This matter about music and image,
however ....

I find not so much that music evokes images so much as it does emotions,
or even, more importantly, *programmed responses*.  I can't listen to
Also Sprach ... or the Blue Danube Waltz without thinking of 2001, or
to Singin' in the Rain without remembering Alex in A Clockwork Orange.
These images, or emotions, are *after the fact*, however.  Most of
what I listen to inspires no image whatsoever, the exceptions being
opera and programme (or `programmatic') music.  Like being on drugs
or being asleep, you see whatever you happen to be thinking about.
If the music evokes an emotion, that emotion may spark images that
are associated with that emotion -- a sort of Pavlovian response.
It is *you* that provides the image, and it will be different for everyone.
(Again, the exceptions being for some well-established image-evoking
cliches, leitmotivs, or what-you-will.)

A fine example of how the mind can be triggered by something as simple
as a snatch of music or a particular phrase occurs in the writing of
Tom Wolfe: Wolfe is fond of creating `macros' or `global variables'
that automatically expand whenever you encounter them.  The device is
very simple yet astonishingly effective.  In "The Right Stuff", for example,
he describes early on the Precise Meaning of the euphemism "burned
beyond recognition".  He explains how it *is* a euphemism, and then he
goes into gruesome detail for a page or two explaining what is
Truly Meant by this oh-so-genteel turn of phrase.  'Nuff said, says Tom.
Every time after this that he mentions this phrase, *without adding
anything more*, the reader instantly fills in the missing detail
with a veritable flood of ghastly images.

Of course, Tom Wolfe has deliberately set us up, but this is an excellent
illustration of what happen, I suspect, whenever we say, Oh, this music
reminds me of such-and-so -- don't you *see* that?  Sometimes these
associations are set up publicly, so that the playing of The National
Anthem (pick yer faverite) will illicit a certain response from all
citizenry alike, and other times they manifest themselves privately:
"It's *our* song!"

In the two-hour epilogue to Berlin Alexanderplatz, Fassbinder gives us
*his* rendition of the hero's `dream' (a coma-like revery that is the
only possible reaction to the events preceding.)  The story is set in
1928, but Fassbinder uses such music as Janis Joplin, Leonard Cohen
etc. etc. in this part of the film.  He *doesn't* use this music elsewhere,
but then only here are we seeing *Fassbinder's* dream of Biberkopf's dream.  
The music, blatantly anachronistic, is  not out-of-place if we can accept
the premise that this is a *dream*.  (After 13 hours of this story, we are
ready to accept *anything*!)  In a dream, anything makes sense.  We do not
impose the limitation that everything be logical.  Rather, we flow from
thought to thought, image to image, like a stone skipping along the
surface of a pond.  Think of the dreams that you've had and remembered --
how often does the beginning of the dream have nothing to do with the end?
Rather, each part leads to another without there necessarily being any
grand pattern to the whole mess.

Music can set one off on a spree of daydreaming that brings forth images
as they do in real dreams.  In Berlin Alexanderplatz, Fassbinder was using
music that *he felt* belonged to the images he was showing us, the ideas
he was trying to express.  Film, however, is a medium of communication, which
can only succeed if the language can be recognized.  Fassbinder, therefore,
must have been counting on us to bring to the film through the music some
of the same associations that it had for him.  (This would, of course,
break down if Leonard Cohen reminded him of a thwarted love affair that he
had that reminded him of Biberkopf, but we, the audience, have no way of
knowing about.)

So, yes, I think that music can evoke images, but it does so in complex
and often personal ways that may have nothing to do with `what the
composer intended' (as if that had anything to do with anything).
Yes, propagandists and advertising executives can set up associations
between pieces of music and images or ideas.  Yes, an entire generation
can have a particular association between a piece of music and an image
that other generations do not (the first few notes of Beethoven's Fifth
to anyone who heard German broadcasts throughout WW II; Beatles' music
to kids growing up in the Sixties; ...).  And yes, music may not bring
forth any image whatsoever.  For me it usually doesn't.

Oscar Nierstrasz @ utcsrgv!oscar

elf@utcsrgv.UUCP (Eugene Fiume) (02/20/84)

Some good points have been made regarding the connection between music and
image.  Oscar remarked, and it is worth reiterating, that in many rather
poignant cases, a powerful image has been associated with a musical piece
after the fact.  If the image is particularly evocative (I'm singin' in the
rain, just singin' in ...), then somehow a little "music post-processor" is
installed, so that we then have trouble disassociating the music from the
image.

It seems to me that music videos are at heart just another attempt at giving
a piece of music a programme.  We already have a precedent for this in rock
music: the concept album.  (Programmatic music has been around in music of
all ages, of course--particularly in late-Romantic.)  The concept album
seems passe now, and it isn't a coincidence that there's an alternative.
If only videos weren't so god-damned dumb...

It also demonstrates the focus on singles in today's music market.
Has someone decided that we don't listen to albums any more?  Maybe we don't.
I avoid purchasing short EP's, long EP's, singles, extended singles, re-mixed
dubbed originals, and single-play-then-disintegrate records.  I like records
of the 35-40 minute variety--and I play them in a very novel way: I put on
side 1 (or A), and then after 17 minutes or so, I turn the record over and
I play side 2 (or B).  But I have digressed.

If there are any psychologists out there, you may wish to explain why we
accept novelty in visual art much more readily than in music.  This always
seems to have been so (e.g. witness our readiness to accept 20th Century
art forms, vs. analogous musics).  This may provide a clue as to why we can
readily connect a new image to a pre-existing piece of music.  Funny, if you
are capable of doing the reverse, you'd probably be called a composer.

			Eugene Fiume