braner@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (braner) (12/03/86)
[] I get rather irate when the radio announcer says "Iran" pronounced like "irate". (It's "ear-on", in case you wonder.) I also get pretty irate when I hear that a wonderful program is about to appear, will use GDOS, but "you have to have GDOS to use it". What does that mean? You don't have to get GDOS separately to use EasyDraw, since it is built-into the program! (You also get a device driver for Epson FX80 (?) on the disk.) If I remember right, GDOS is very small (did I hear 4K?). And it is rather useless on its own unless you're a developer (and you have the documentation). So why not pass it on with the program? It is the device drivers which are the real problem. Why not have each user buy (from a third party) the driver for her/his specific device! Why should the publisher of, say, a word processor program, try to package it with drivers for all the printers in the world? In short, could somebody clarify what IS "GDOS" (or its parts)??? - Moshe Braner Disclaimer: I have no affiliation, neither overt nor covert, with any elements, neither powerful nor powerless, in Ear-on. Nor with Ire-ake. And I'd rather be on vacation in Fee-rent-seh.
neil@atari.UUcp (Neil Harris) (12/05/86)
In article <1691@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, braner@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (braner) writes: > > I also get pretty irate when I hear that a wonderful program is about > to appear, will use GDOS, but "you have to have GDOS to use it". What > does that mean? You don't have to get GDOS separately to use EasyDraw, > since it is built-into the program! Programs which require GDOS will, in all likelihood, be shipped with GDOS on the program disk. Atari Corporation requires developers to license the rights to do this. -- --->Neil @ Atari ...{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil BIX: neilharris CIS: 70007,1135 Delphi: NEILHARRIS GENIE: nharris WELL: neil Atari Corp. BBS 408-745-5308 US Mail: Atari Corp. 1196 Borregas Ave. Sunnyvale, CA 94086 "Loose chips sink ships."
REEVES@SLACSLD.BITNET (04/02/88)
I would like some information. I would very much like to hear it from somebody
at Atari. I would prefer that this not start a long drawn out, useless
discussion. All I want is the information. If no one at Atari feels that they
should answer these questions just yet, fine. But at least let me know that you
aren't going to answer. And everyone else, please don't generate noise. I want
to see a sharp, well defined signal even if it takes a while to get it. What I
want to know is:
(1) Will GDOS ever be unbundled from other software packages?
(2) If yes, when will it be released?(a rough order of magnitude is fine)
(3) How will I, as a user who likes to program but not spend a lot of money,
get my grubbly little paws on it?
(4) About how much will it cost?
Thanks for any response.
Terry W. Reeves
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--------Critterspa1132@sdcc15.UUCP (pa1132) (10/21/88)
Just a question: Is there any way to load GDOS fonts to replace the standard system fonts without using GDOS? Also, what is the status of the new GDOS written by some guy in Germany?
BobR@cup.portal.com (Bob BobR Retelle) (10/22/88)
Hmm.... pa1132@sdcc15.UUCP (pa1132) asks: >Also, what is the status of the new GDOS written by some guy in >Germany? Forget GDOS...! Atari Corp has had more than three years to provide us with a fixed and complete version and has failed to do so... MONTHS and months ago, Neil Harris said that Atari was "evaluating" the new GDOS from Germany, and it STILL hasn't been seen... Having been fed up with the situation, Charles F. Johnson and John E(unspellab took two MONTHS, reverse engineered Atari's GDOS, figured out what it was doing, what its problems were, and why it was Sooooo sloooow, and wrote a NEW version from scratch... It not only WORKS, and is FASTER, but it also allows things that GDOS does not, like loading in a new ASSIGN.SYS file without having to totally re-boot the system... The product's name is G+PLUS, from Codehead Software... (Now if only we can get Charles interested in writing TOS+ ) BobR
pa1132@sdcc15.UUCP (pa1132) (10/24/88)
But G+Plus still does not allow scalable fonts and loading fonts individually instead of loading them into memory at only one time....
BobR@cup.portal.com (Bob BobR Retelle) (10/26/88)
pa1132 comments: >But G+Plus still does not allow scalable fonts and loading fonts >individually instead of loading them into memory at only one time.... Very true..! But this is because of the way GEM does things... surprisingly enough, it's not Atari's fault this time... that's the way GEM/GDOS was designed by Digital Research... Anything which maintains compatibility with GDOS will have the same shortcomings... G+PLUS does what GDOS is *supposed* to do, but does it far more competently... If you've been used to, say... the way Publishing Partner handles fonts.. that is, being able to scale them to *ANY* point size, and load them at any time, in any order, it may be quite a shock to go to something like TimeWorks Publisher which uses GDOS... You get ONLY the point sizes you've included in your ASSIGN.SYS file, and ONLY get to load them in the combination specified in that ASSIGN.SYS file... (although with G+PLUS, you *could* set up several different variations on that file and select among them...) This *is not* a criticism of TimeWorks Publisher..! It's simply a characteristic of dealing with GDOS... the output from TW Publisher is VERY GOOD...! If you're stuck using GDOS, opt for G+PLUS instead... BobR
ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET (10/26/88)
Date: 26 October 1988, 13:17:22 MEZ From: Julian F. Reschke (02501) 13279 ONM07 at DMSWWU1A To: INFO-ATARI16 at SCORE In response to the questions in the last days: AMCGDOS has been written by Arnd Beissner (who's not online here) and has been licensed to Atari Germany FOR THE GERMAN market. It is fully compatible with the original GDOS but is faster and seems to be bug-free (version 3.01a). In Germany it can be obtained by Atari Computer Harald Mueller Frankfurter Str. 89-91 D-6096 Raunheim For the private use, AMCGDOS is PUBLIC DOMAIN. Arnd Beissner looks for someone in U.S. to coordinate the distribution of his PD-GDOS. Please email to me. GDOS-related topics: Things like font-scaling aren't done by GDOS, but by the VDI-screen driver. Switching between different ASSIGN.SYS-files violates the 'philosophy' of GDOS: fonts should be the same for all devices and all applications (or You can't swap metafiles). // Julian F. Reschke
bammi@dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu (Jwahar R. Bammi) (10/27/88)
In article <8810261232.AA25704@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, ONM07@DMSWWU1A writes: >has been licensed to Atari Germany FOR THE GERMAN market. It is fully >compatible with the original GDOS but is faster and seems to be bug-free I hope atari USA follows suit. In *my* opinion their attitude wrt. Gdos really sucks. usenet: {decvax,sun}!cwjcc!dsrgsun!bammi jwahar r. bammi csnet: bammi@dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu arpa: bammi@dsrgsun.ces.CWRU.edu compuServe: 71515,155
rjung@sal42.usc.edu (Robert allen Jung) (10/27/88)
In article <10500@cup.portal.com> BobR@cup.portal.com (Bob BobR Retelle) writes: >pa1132 comments: > [Lots of stuff about un-scaleability of GDOS fonts deleted] > >If you've been used to, say... the way Publishing Partner handles fonts.. >that is, being able to scale them to *ANY* point size, and load them at >any time, in any order, it may be quite a shock to go to something like >TimeWorks Publisher which uses GDOS... With all this (psuedo-)GDOS-bashing, I feel compelled to write something positive: The BIG advantage of GDOS's non-scaling fonts feature is that it is FAST. Comparing 9-pin Epson-compatable printing output speed, GDOS is _faster_ (and thus, more convient) than Publish Partner and other font-scaling programs. The reason, of course, is that PP has to calculate how the scaled fonts should look when you do the printing, whereas GDOS simply looks up a raster map for its fonts. When you get into faster printing devices (laser printer...to dream about), then the speed _really_ becomes noticeable. Neither approach is "good" or "bad", just different. (I also want to add that I've been using WordUp for most of my GDOS'ing [When is the next revision coming out?]...My only gripe with GDOS now is that I don't have enough RAM <grin> to get even MORE wonderful fonts on my system at once...) >If you're stuck using GDOS, opt for G+PLUS instead... To tell you the darn truth, I don't see much of an improvement in speed with G+PLUS. Maybe WordUp is using an optimized assembly route for updating the screen display, but when I used a demo version of G+PLUS with it, I see no appreciable (to me) speed increase. (Now, if CodeHead could have made my printer print faster...) --R.J. B-) P.S. Is it just me, or would "HeadCode Software" been a better company name? B-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: These are my views, and mine alone. # ## # Mailing address: Beats me, just reply to this message # ## # (rjung@nunki.usc.edu?) ## ## ## #### ## ####
andyc@hplsla.HP.COM (Andy Cassino) (11/01/88)
Not that I really want to seem completely ignorant, but what exactly is
GDOS? I know Degas uses it, but their documentation doesn't say what it
is. The Mark Williams C documentation mentions it here and there, but
they're not telling any secrets either. And while we're at it, where does
one find out about this stuff? If it wasn't for MWC, I'd be completely lost!
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According to ST Informer (909 NW Starlite Place, Grants Pass, OR 97526),
the address where G+PLUS can be purchased is:
CodeHead Software
Box 4336
North Hollywood, CA 91607
The cost is $34.95 + $2 s/h.
I'm hoping someone out there will purchase a copy and review it for
the benefit of all.
Thanks,
David Scott Popethemod@blake.acs.washington.edu (Chris Hinton) (07/27/89)
Hello, I just got a spreadsheet program off the net. Maybe you too have seen it, its called Opus and it seems to be just the thing I have been looking for. But, alas, there is one small problem. In order to do charting from the program one has to have GDOS. Well, I thought, I'll just pull the GDOS stuff off my DEGAS disk and use it here. No, that didn't work. To make a long story short, if that is still possible, does anybody out there have any idea how to get this damn thing to work. I sure haven't figured it out yet. You can either mail me a reply, or post your response here. Makes no diff to me. Thanks in advance. Chris Hinton ---- themod@blake.acs.washington.edu Mod Software Systems Seattle, Wa 98195 "Why didn't you tell me he had one of those... things?" - The Joker. "My life is really...complex." - Bruce Wayne. "Excuse me... What does God need with a starship?" - James T. Kirk.
FRACHEL@UMIAMI.MIAMI.EDU (02/20/90)
I have a really simple question here: Where might I obtain G-Dos? Is it commercial? Pd? What? They dont seem to sell it at any of the stores around here. Thanks, Frank
christ@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Christ) (07/05/90)
I need some help on GDOS: * what is it? is it public domain? * where can I get screen and printer fonts/drivers? mail, I'll summarize. -- Oli --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oliver Christ christ@is.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Institute for Computer Sciences (Institut f"ur Informatik) University of Stuttgart West-Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
darling@cellar.UUCP (Darling) (04/09/91)
Could someone explain what this GDOS beast is? I have a German clone in the AUTO folder for RUFUS; what does it do besides allow me to use selected programs? BTW, I am sort of surprised about all the probems people are having with RUFUS. I downloaded it from GEnie, un-ARCed it, and it has run flawlessly without tinkering. !! \ __ __ __ ____ __ _ ___ !! Production, Pre-Production, !! \ //! ! \\ !! !! !\\ ! // \\ !! and dance remixing @ FACT HQ: !! / //_! !_// !! !! ! \\! ! __ !! darling@cellar.uucp !!_/ // ! ! \\ !!__ _!!_ ! \! \\_!! !!_______________________________