ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET (07/06/88)
Date: 29 June 1988, 10:38:57 MES
From: Julian F. Reschke (02501) 13279 ONM07 at DMSWWU1A
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And here are the results of the westfalian jury:
Turbo-C (Beta-Test) benchmarks at 1700 Dhrystones/s.
Julian F. ReschkeONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET (08/10/88)
Date: 10 August 1988, 11:51:46 MES From: Julian F. Reschke (02501) 13279 ONM07 at DMSWWU1A And -- best of all -- Turbo C is an ANSI-Compiler! You will never switch back to 'old C' after using ANSI! Julian Reschke (Turbo C Beta Tester)
ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET (08/30/88)
Date: 30 August 1988, 14:05:23 MES From: Julian F. Reschke (02501) 13279 ONM07 at DMSWWU1A To: Info Atari16-Digest info-ata at score Turbo-C is definitively NOT vapourware. We are testing the product since May and I got the final version just yesterday. The handbook is printed since end of july, so there is no reason, why Heimsoeth&Borland shouldn't ship the product this month. // Julian F. Reschke
pa1132@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (pa1132) (01/06/89)
Recently the president of ISD talked about the DTP prograM Calamus, and he mentioned that it is written in Turbo C (by Borland)! How can that be true? Turbo c really exists?
hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) (01/06/89)
In article <834@sdcc15.ucsd.edu> pa1132@sdcc15.UUCP () writes: >Recently the president of ISD talked about the DTP prograM Calamus, >and he mentioned that it is written in Turbo C (by Borland)! How >can that be true? Turbo c really exists? Yep, Turbo C really exists. In Germany. With German documentation. Since I can't read German, I've made no great pains to investigate further... It would be nice if Borland would release it here in the US. Apparently it's the fastest compiler yet, and produces the fastest code, by a pretty good margin, from the numbers I've seen. And having worked with Turbo C and Pascal on PCs, I'm pretty willing to believe 'em... -- / /_ , ,_. Howard Chu / /(_/(__ University of Michigan / Computing Center College of LS&A ' Unix Project Information Systems
mn@atari.UUCP (Mike Nowicki) (01/07/89)
There is a version of Turboc C for the ST which I have seen an early version of. It's a hack from Germany and can probably be ordered if you can find a vendor handling it who has good connections for German software companies.
rcd@mtuxo.att.com (XG1V6-R.DUTT) (01/07/89)
In article <537@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu>, hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes: > Apparently it's the fastest compiler yet, and produces the fastest code, > by a pretty good margin, from the numbers I've seen. And having worked > with Turbo C and Pascal on PCs, I'm pretty willing to believe 'em... On a MEGA 2 ST (68000 CPU and 8 MHz clock) Turbo C (1.0) achieved a throughput of 1730 Dhrystones/sec. By comparison, Aztec C (3.6A) clocks in at 851 Dhry/sec on the same system, which is probably typical of most other compilers. -Rana Dutt AT&T Bell Labs, Middletown, NJ ...!att!mtuxo!rcd
good@atari.UUCP (Roy Good) (01/07/89)
in article <834@sdcc15.ucsd.edu>, pa1132@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (pa1132) says: > Sender:pa1132@sdcc15.ucsd.edu > Keywords:Calamus, Turbo C > > Recently the president of ISD talked about the DTP prograM Calamus, > and he mentioned that it is written in Turbo C (by Borland)! How > can that be true? Turbo c really exists? Turbo-C has been released in Germany by Heimsoft, having been developed there under a direct contract with a third party compiler company. Atari Sunnyvale received a copy and has made some comments to the originators. Distribution rights for the US are/were being negotiated by Sig Hartmann of Atari with Philippe Kahn of Borland. I understand that business issues are the sticking point at this juncture, but Sig would have more information. If I hear of any progress I'll post it, natuerlich! Roy Good/Atari
good@atari.UUCP (Roy Good) (01/07/89)
in article <1297@atari.UUCP>, mn@atari.UUCP (Mike Nowicki) says: > > There is a version of Turboc C for the ST which I have seen an early > version of. It's a hack from Germany and can probably be ordered if you can > find a vendor handling it who has good connections for German software > companies. > I hate to contradict one of our own, but in the interests of accuracy, as I mentioned in a (slightly) earlier posting, this is a formally released and supported third-party product via Heimsoft in Germany. The product I have seen has screens etc in English but manuals in German. I have no idea of the legalities of who can distribute what, where, under the name of Turbo-C, but I do know Sig Hartmann was in direct contact with Borland. Maybe a little lobbying of Borland might push them to see the potential market here. Roy Good/Atari
wright@hpccc.HP.COM (Jeff Wright) (01/07/89)
> It would be nice if Borland would release it here in the US.
Any idea how to influence them? E-mail addresses?klute%trillian.irb@unido.uucp (Rainer Klute) (01/07/89)
In article <537@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu> hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes: >Yep, Turbo C really exists. ... >Apparently >it's the fastest compiler yet, and produces the fastest code, by a pretty >good margin, from the numbers I've seen. I have seen some benchmark numbers in the "ST-Computer" (a German ST magazin). They compared Laser C and Turbo C and it turned out that Turbo C generated faster code but Laser C had better compile times. Rainer Klute ---- klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Universitaet Dortmund, IRB |)|/ klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet Postfach 500500 |\|\ ...uunet!mcvax!unido!klute D-4600 Dortmund 50 ---- Tel.: +49 231 7554663
Robert_Bob_Mulholland@cup.portal.com (01/08/89)
Yes, according to STart magazine Turbo C does exist, but not in the U.S. I believe the article stated that Turbo C is available in West Germany, where I believe Calamus was also created.
steve@pnet51.cts.com (Steve Yelvington) (01/09/89)
pa1132@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (pa1132) writes: >Recently the president of ISD talked about the DTP prograM Calamus, >and he mentioned that it is written in Turbo C (by Borland)! How >can that be true? Turbo c really exists? Turbo C/ST does exist. Peter Glasmacher, a West German national who lives in the United States, has used it to port Binkley Term, a Fidonet mailer, to the ST. He can be contacted at his BBS, The Black Hole, at (408) 985-1538. UUCP: {rosevax, crash}!orbit!pnet51!steve ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!steve@nosc.mil INET: steve@pnet51.cts.com ----------- -or- stag!thelake!steve@pwcs.StPaul.GOV "A member of STdNET -- the ST Developers' Network"
alfred@dutesta.UUCP (Herman Adriani & Alfred Kayser) (01/09/89)
In article <537@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu> hyc@math.lsa.umich.edu (Howard Chu) writes: |Yep, Turbo C really exists. In Germany. With German documentation. Since |I can't read German, I've made no great pains to investigate further... |It would be nice if Borland would release it here in the US. Apparently |it's the fastest compiler yet, and produces the fastest code, by a pretty |good margin, from the numbers I've seen. And having worked with Turbo C and |Pascal on PCs, I'm pretty willing to believe 'em... A friend of me owns Turbo C. We tested it a bit (just a bit) against MWC, which I own. I saw that Turbo C was just a little bit faster, not too fast for me selling MWC!!!. And if you want to do floating point, well don't use Turbo C it is 2 times SLOWER than MWC. compile times: I use a 1040 ST + SH204 + turbodos (yes I use it without any problems). both have nearly the same compile+link time. We encountered some other problems with compiling some excisting code. Turbo C doesn't always generate working code. I haven't found that problem yet, but I will keep searching. Now you would think I don't like Turbo C. That isn't true, Turbo C is an ansi compiler, MWC is NOT, the handbook is good and it comes with an integral editor linker compiler tools 'shell'. If I didn't own MWC I should buy (or least think about it) Turbo C. But now I own MWC I don't switch to Turbo C, just because MWC comes with much more tools and other things. Herman Adriani. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ / \ | Herman Adriani & Alfred Kayser: Computer fans especially from 24 pm to 7 am | \_____________________________________________________________________________/
iszedv@cosmo.UUCP (Thomas Ziegler/Icsezer Sigl und Ziegler) (01/10/89)
Yeah, you are right. Turbo C for the ATARI ST is avaiable, but only
in Germany. This because Borland is *not* interested in distributing
this german development (which is shipped bei Heimsoeth, the germa
distributor of borland).
Turbo C is (i think) {_the fastest and (ansi - like) strongest checking
compiler for the ST.
So if you - and many others - show your interest to Borland, they might
revert their oppinion - it'll be worth the effort.
Tell me, if you are interested in the adress (the price is -including
assembler and debugger under $90 -really!).venta@i2ack.UUCP (Paolo Ventafridda) (01/10/89)
Hi all.
I own Turbo C, it's here in ATARI Italy since few months ago.
It works great, compiles great, runs great.
It supports shell interface as well as GEM.
Gives 1720 dhrystones, vs 1063 by MWC 2.1
In one word: "it's from Borland"!
Paolo
Sysop STlog , Milano, Italy
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# If you mail me on i2ack, use pyramid path; i'm on eunet's lock-list..(sic) #dag@per2.UUCP (Daniel A. Glasser) (01/10/89)
In article <3972@mtuxo.att.com>, rcd@mtuxo.att.com (XG1V6-R.DUTT) writes: > On a MEGA 2 ST (68000 CPU and 8 MHz clock) Turbo C (1.0) achieved a throughput > of 1730 Dhrystones/sec. By comparison, Aztec C (3.6A) clocks in at > 851 Dhry/sec on the same system, which is probably typical of most other > compilers. > > -Rana Dutt Actually, the Mark Williams C compiler for the Atari ST have never been down in the 851 dhrystones/sec range -- MWC Version: non-register register 1.1 914 946 2.1.5 1109 1172 3.0 1270 1343 Results better than 1400 d/s were obtained with special tweeking of a few switches, but that is cheating. The only numbers I have for MegaMax and Lattice are from old versions Compiler non-register register MegaMax C 826 862 MegaMax C w/opt 834 870 MCC Lattice C 524 530 first release MCC Lattice C MCC Lattice C 677 676 shorts used in place of ints Maybe someone could post more recent numbers for Laser (formerly MegaMax), Lattice, Gnu, Sozobon, and any others I've forgotten (or don't know about). If you need a copy of the Dhryston benchmark code send me mail and I'll see what I can do. Use the address below as the per2 address may go away soon. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ Daniel A. Glasser One of those things that goes ...!persoft!dag "BUMP!!!(ouch)" in the night. ---Persoft, Inc.---------465 Science Drive-------Madison, WI 53711-----------
iszedv@cosmo.UUCP (Thomas Ziegler/Icsezer Sigl und Ziegler) (01/17/89)
Sorry, the price for turbo C in Germany is (including assembler and debugger) about $165. Sorry, the price for turbo C in Germany is (including assembler
uace0@uhnix2.uh.edu (Michael B. Vederman) (03/19/89)
Hello,
I remember seeing some articles posted not too long ago regarding Turbo C.
What ever happened with it? I remember someone saying that it had a few
side effects that were difficult to debug...
If you are using Turbo C now, I would be interested in knowing what you
know to be going on with the product.
Thanks in advance,
Michael B. Vederman
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University Atari Computer Enthusiasts : University of Houston UACErobert@duttnph.tudelft.nl (Robert de Vries) (10/16/89)
In article <1588@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca> depeche@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca "Depeche Modem" writes: >grrr. how frustrating. I can't wait to get PC-Speed so I can run f*cking >Turbo C. I sent a letter to Megamax. I will tell you how long they take to >reply to it... It's really funny, because Turbo C for the ST already exists for almost a year now. It is available from Heimsoeth in Germany who have an agreement with the Turbo company in the USA. They use the parser from the PC version and made their own code generator. At this moment version 1.1 is released with support for the f68881 floating point coprocessor. In december they release a sourcecode level debugger. I have heard that these products are not sold in the USA, it is time this will change, because it produces the fastest code of all ST C-compilers. I have used a lot of them (Mark Williams, Lattice, Laser, GNU CC) and they all compile slower and they produce slower code and larger code. I use it all the time, and being developer of the image processing package AIM, I know how nice a package it really is. I have no connections with Heimsoeth in any way. I'm only very enthousiastic about their product. It is also very cheap. In Germany it sells for 225 DM, which will be roughly $ 100,-. This is the smallest version, without an extra assembler. With assembler (the developers version) it costs 340 DM ($ 160) I hope this gives a little more attention to this compiler, which deserves it completely. Robert.
matsl@nada.kth.se (Mats Luthman) (10/16/89)
In article <942@dutrun.UUCP> robert@duttnph.UUCP (Robert de Vries) writes: >I have used a lot of them (Mark Williams, Lattice, Laser, GNU CC) and they >all compile slower and they produce slower code and larger code. How much faster than for example Lattice C? Could you give a rough estimate of the speed in lines per second? Mats Luthman
robert@duttnph.tudelft.nl (Robert de Vries) (10/17/89)
In article <2095@draken.nada.kth.se> matsl@nada.kth.se (Mats Luthman) writes: >How much faster than for example Lattice C? Could you give a rough estimate >of the speed in lines per second? > OK, I made some coarse benchmarks. I do not have Lattice C online (on a harddisk near me), so I used Mark Williams instead. I compiled 4 source files of the image processing package AIM to their .o equivalents. The count of source lines is the sum of all include-files and the source file. I know that this is not very accurate, but you asked for it. Williams C v 3.0.6 compiler-options: -c ramdisk as tmp-drive TurboDos installed sources on harddisk source lines time(s) lines/sec aim.c 1848 84.90 21.8 bblib5.c 1829 49.24 37.1 bblib8.c 1856 68.77 27.0 buildgra.c 907 11.09 81.8 average 1610 41.9 Turbo C v 1.0 compiler-options: -p- -w TurboDos installed sources on harddisk source lines time(s) lines/sec aim.c 2807 26.15 107.3 bblib5.c 2648 20.86 126.9 bblib8.c 2909 25.37 114.7 buildgra.c 1813 11.29 160.6 average 2544 127.4 I hope this answers your question. Robert ---------------------------------------------------- Robert de Vries | Every opinion expressed robert@duttnph.tudelft.nl | above is my own.
glk01126@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (10/19/89)
How about size and execution time benchmarks? Laser C is fast, but Sozobon C has incredibly smaller filesize. -Spieu!
krs@stag.UUCP (Kent Schumacher) (10/19/89)
[pa1329@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (pa1329) writes...] > > Turbo C will not be available for the Atari ST in the USA, as > Borland has no plan to sell this product in the USA market. I > remember Borland even denied the existence of ST Turbo C. As far > as Atarians in the USA are concerned, Turbo C is not a product, so > forget about it. Thus > we only have choices between Mark W. C and Laser C. Manx(Aztec?), Lattice, HiSoft, and Prospero will be sad to hear this. Hippo and Alcyon probably won't care. I don't have any idea what the authors of Sozobon or the porters of GCC will think. ;^) Has anyone in the USA tried importing ST Turbo C? Does anyone know of any mail order outfits in Canada that sell it? - Kent Schumacher ardvar!krs@stag.UUCP
krs@stag.UUCP (Kent Schumacher) (10/19/89)
[robert@duttnph.tudelft.nl (Robert de Vries) writes...] > [...stuff deleted] > At this moment version 1.1 is released with support for the f68881 floating > point coprocessor. In december they release a sourcecode level debugger. > [...stuff deleted...] With assembler (the developers version) it costs 340 DM > ($ 160) > > I hope this gives a little more attention to this compiler, which deserves it > completely. > > Robert. Could someone please go into some detail about the programming environment that Turbo C offers. Does it have a built in editor, or are you allowed to substitute your own (without an unacceptable loss of features). Is it a CLI environment (like MWC) or a GUI. If it has a build in editor, is it gem based, does it allow marking blocks with the mouse (like Laser C), does it allow multiple windows, macros, ...? For whatever reason, it doesn't look like we are going to get this program distributed in the USA, and hence I'm not going to be able to base my decision to purchase it on magazine reviews or store demo's. (Oh, yeah - any comment on the documentation and 'ANSI-ness' of the compiler would be appreciated). Thanks - Kent Schumacher /* "A member of STdNET- */ ardvar!krs@stag.UUCP /* The ST developers network */
alex@hpgnd.HP.COM (Alexis MERMET-GRANDFILLES) (10/20/89)
/ hpgnd:comp.sys.atari.st / pa1329@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (pa1329) / 4:10 pm Oct 16, 1989 /
> Thus we only have choices between Mark W. C and Laser C.
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And then ... which of these Two would you advise me to buy ??robert@duttnph.tudelft.nl (Robert de Vries) (10/20/89)
In article <1989Oct19.100825.21264@stag.UUCP> ardvar!krs@stag.UUCP (Kent Schumacher) writes: [... stuff deleted ...] >Does it have a built in editor, or are you allowed >to substitute your own (without an unacceptable loss of features). It is has a built-in editor, but I don't know if you can substitute your own. I don't think so at least. >Is it a CLI environment (like MWC) or a GUI. Both. >If it has a build in editor, is it gem based, does it allow marking blocks >with the mouse (like Laser C), does it allow multiple windows, macros, ...? It is GEM-based, you can mark blocks with your mouse, multiple windows, no macros. >(Oh, yeah - any comment on the documentation and 'ANSI-ness' of the compiler >would be appreciated). Full fledged ANSI. I love it. Robert.
paul@cacilj.UUCP (Paul Close) (10/21/89)
I, too, would like info on Turbo-C. When it was first announced, I thought
people were saying it had a unique calling sequence: basically the first two
arguments were passed in registers! Is this true? If so, can someone please
give me more details on which registers, etc? I'm trying to use Turbo-C
object files, but I don't have Turbo-C. I can hack something with gcc if I
know which registers, etc.
Thanks,
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paul@cacilj.UUCP (Paul Close) writes: >basically the first two >arguments were passed in registers! Is this true? From memory: the first 3(?) integer-type arguments in registers do,d1,d2 and/or the first 2(?) pointer-type arguments in a0 and a1. The TC-specific keyword 'cdecl' allows you to disable this, so you can link to libraries compiled with Alcyon ( or generate functions with will be called by the AES ! ). Integer-type return value are in d0, but pointers are returned in a0. I never use floating point, but I know that TC ST has quite different floating point formats in version 1.00 and 1.10, 1.10 supporting the IEEE standard. I know that You believe You understand what You think I said, but I'm not sure You realize that what You heard is not what I meant. Roland Rambau rra@cochise.pcs.com, {unido|pyramid}!pcsbst!rra, 2:507/414.2.fidone
qralph@dna.lth.se (Ralph Haglund) (11/19/89)
Hi, I got a problem. I am using Turbo C 1.1 and it works fine. BUT the assembler and debugger I haven't got working properly! I have tried two different copies of the original disks. The assembler loads, probably loads the program then dies. The debugger works OK, but when I want to leave it, it hangs with a busy bee. I have tested the Swedish TOS 1.0, 1.2 and 1.4, both Aug.'88 version and the final one (that for some reason has some missing scan codes, for shift arrows and some more shifted ones). Probably tried half a dozen Ataris of different sizes. Supposedly it works with the German TOS, so they must do something irregular. Yeah, another thing. In the TurboC proper, I wonder what kind of writing the editor does in the windows. Often when I am browsing around, it seems to come one pixel row wrong, so it leaves black pixels around. How come? For the rest I am very satisfied with the compiler! |-------------------------------------------------------------| | Want to talk to me? Try: | | QRALPH@SELDC51 || QRALPH@SELDC52 || qralph@dna.lth.se | | My name? In official Sweden it is: 4.901.185.654 (secret) | | Anywhere else: Ralph Haglund | | Disclaimer: If it works, it's out of date. | |_____________________________________________________________|
steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington) (09/25/90)
[In article <2691@jaytee.East.Sun.COM>,
gaudreau@juggler.East.Sun.COM (Joe Gaudreau - Sun BOS Software) writes ... ]
> I'd like to buy Turbo-St for my forthcoming Ste but there is the
> slight problem of where to find it. I know it's from Germany and
> that the whole thing is in German, okay, I can like with that.
> How/Where to order the thing?
When last I checked, L.R. Data in White Bear Lake, Minnesota, had
Turbo C (German version) in stock. I don't know about the price.
Phone number is (612) 770-2447.
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steve@thelake.mn.org plains!umn-cs!thelake!stevea1076@mindlink.UUCP (Robert Bell) (10/14/90)
hi can anyone tell me how i can get hold of turbo c for the atari st here in north america,or the address of borland.Thanks! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Bell uunet!van_bc!rsoft!mindlink!a1076 Benndorf-Verster a1076@mindlink.uucp Vancouver Canada voice 604-853-5870 -------------------------------------------------------------------
lsh1@ra.MsState.Edu (Shane) (10/19/90)
In <3539@mindlink.UUCP> a1076@mindlink.UUCP (Robert Bell) writes: >hi can anyone tell me how i can get hold of turbo c for the atari st here in >north america,or the address of borland.Thanks! >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------- I would also like to know this. please mail me also. Shane Hebert lsh1@ra.msstate.edu if no answer call CAhebert@dune.ee.msstate.edu
gaudreau@juggler.East.Sun.COM (Joe Gaudreau - Sun BOS Software) (10/20/90)
In article <lsh1.656306650@ra> lsh1@ra.MsState.Edu (Shane) writes: >In <3539@mindlink.UUCP> a1076@mindlink.UUCP (Robert Bell) writes: >>hi can anyone tell me how i can get hold of turbo c for the atari st here in >>north america,or the address of borland.Thanks! >I would also like to know this. please mail me also. Here ya go. Best advice is to order via phone and use a credit card... Someday, someone will get the idea that they should market this thing in the USA. Warning Will Robinson, Note! Caveat... This version *IS* *GERMAN*, which means *GERMAN DOCUMENTATION*... if that doesn't worry you, then go 4 it... Turbo-C 2.0 Atari DM 218.00 + US $30.00 p/h Turbo-C 2.0 Pro Atari + src db + ass DM 412.00 + US $30.00 p/h Indicate Atari, ask about STe support. For payment try: VISA !! Heimsoeth, Inc. did the port. Docs in German, old 2.0 PC docs? (Exchange: DM ~ 1.6 2the US $, so 218/1.6=136.25, 412->257) Barbara Ford Customer Support Lundwurmstrasse 88 Postfach 15 03 40 D-8000 Muenchen 2 (Germany - GMBH 011 49 (89-7 20 10-0), verify country code 49. o L.R. Data in White Bear Lake, Minnesota (612)770-2447 Borland Turbo C $449 regular version. 1.0!! Joe -=- -- /Joe-Gaudreau {ps-hacker juggler nice-guy add add} bind def Fone: (508)671-0461 INet: gaudreau@East.Sun.Com UUCP: sun!suneast!gaudreau Snail: Sun Microsystems Inc - BDC, 2 Federal St, Billerica, MA 01821 "Juggling, not just a way of life"
t821431@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard Clarkson) (04/15/91)
xx Does anybody know of "Borland Turbo C" being available for the atari-st in "ENGLISH".....What is the most recent revision for the atari-st.. When and where is it available...Does borland have a mail address....? Thanks from Richard Clarkson
t821431@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard Clarkson) (04/15/91)
xx Does anybody know if Borland Turbo C is available in English for the Atari-st? What is the latest revision? Where is it available from? Does Borland have a mailing address?
Mick_Schmidt@hb.maus.de (Mick Schmidt) (04/17/91)
> Does anybody know if Borland Turbo C is available in English for the > Atari-st? What is the latest revision? > Where is it available from? > Does Borland have a mailing address? Turbo C/ST from Borland is not available in English. The latest revision is 2.03. So far I know! Now the actual rumors! ;-) The rumors which are going around here in Germany say, that Borland is going to stop the distribution of Turbo C/ST and give the rights back to the Developer Team. It seems that they plan to make up their own company and carry on working on that C-Compiler which won't be named Turbo C anymore (guess why ;-)). So far it seems quite sure, because even people from the Borland Turbo C Team said something like that. Who's going to do the distribution and if there will be an English Version then, who knows??? Bye Mick -- Michael Schmidt | Mausnet: Mick Schmidt @ HB | Well, isn't Kopenhagener Str. 145 | Fido : Mick Schmidt%Maus HB (242/2.6)| that special? 2820 Bremen 77 | Usenet : Mick_Schmidt@hb.maus.de | Germany | (UUCP) bsp3@informatik.uni-Bremen.de | (The Tel. +49 421 63 52 70 | BITNET : G16M @ DHBRRZ41 | Church Lady)
Daniel_Roedding@fiction.ms.sub.org (04/20/91)
Mick_Schmidt@hb.maus.de (Mick Schmidt) writes: > The rumors which are going around here in Germany say, that Borland is going to > stop the distribution of Turbo C/ST and give the rights back to the Developer > Team. It seems that they plan to make up their own company and carry on working > on that C-Compiler which won't be named Turbo C anymore (guess why ;-)). > So far it seems quite sure, because even people from the Borland Turbo C Team > said something like that. > Who's going to do the distribution and if there will be an English Version > then, who knows??? Many parts of the Turbo C system were written by a company named "SoftDesign" in Munich. Their address can be found in some external programs and the assembler. BTW: Does anyone have experimented with the redirection vectors in the MAS.TTP program? At the beginning of the program you find a "patch area" where the integrated TC version writes down some vectors to input/output functions for window i/o and access to loaded files etc. The result is that the same MAS.TTP program is able to output both on a standard TOS screen or in a window of the TC desktop. Daniel